Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

[llcc25]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 2012 pick

Why for LAL? they get Dwight w/o giving up Gasol
Why for ORL? its clear, that Dwight will walk at end of season. So IMO, our #1 pick will be best deal available for them.
Why for Wiz? Bynum is 2nd best center and better than anyone coming out 2012 draft. We don't have to worry about developing potential and get a bonified stud centerpiece for next decade to go build alongside Wall. We'd immediately be an attractive spot for FAs. Add in Gordon this year or Harden next year, along w/ our other blue collar young bucks and I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

If you substitute "Davis" for the Wizards 2012 pick, do you still like that idea? And wow, Bynum gets injured blowing his nose - why would we give up the farm for him?

As good as Davis has looked this year in college, I don't think he is a slam dunk #1 pick like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Rose. He still needs to fill out his frame and his offensive game is not yet ready to be a go-to post player. No doubt, he has tremendous upside but I don't think he will help us in the victory column next 2-3 years. He will need to develop and who says he will. By the time hes ready for that stage, we will have endured a couple of more lotteries and I don't think Wall will want that..At least w/ Bynum, we have a guy who has gone through that stage already his first 4 years and now he is ready for primetime now. He is already the #2 center in the league, and he is still improving. He is already the numbe 2 option over Gasol according to Kobe..Yes, injury is a risk, but imo its worth it if you can get a proven talent of this magnitude. Davis, as good as he looks on highlights, hasn't proven anything on the NBA level yet and it will be a few years before we find out..

[llcc25]

Way too good for LA, even if Bynum had virtually no injury risk

It seems roughly even for the Wizards, but pretty bad for the Magic. I think they have to move Turkyglu, unless they got Gasol and Bynum or get multiple good 1st round picks.

I agree that ORL gets the short end of the stick in this one but IMO its still the best available deal out there. ORL is never gonna get close to equal value as teams now know he can walk this summer for nothing in return.

[montestewart]

Way too good for LA, even if Bynum had virtually no injury risk

It seems roughly even for the Wizards, but pretty bad for the Magic. I think they have to move Turkyglu, unless they got Gasol and Bynum or get multiple good 1st round picks.

Yeah, I'd want more for DC because of Bynum's injury history, but combine that with Orlando still holding Hedo, and way too good for LA, getting Howard for the inferior (and far less sturdy Bynum), a late first, and a filler player

[Dat2U]

I disagree, Ruz. Essentially it's DWill for Bogut, which seems fair. Especially when you consider that Bogut fills a huge need for them. Maybe including Johnson is a little much since he was taken so high, but that can be tweaked. The case can also be made that Washingotn isn't needed and MIL/MIN can just do Bogut for DWill+filler.

Is it just me or has Bogut lost a step? Maybe injuries have taken their toll but I don't see the same player I saw a few years back.

[fishercob]

I disagree, Ruz. Essentially it's DWill for Bogut, which seems fair. Especially when you consider that Bogut fills a huge need for them. Maybe including Johnson is a little much since he was taken so high, but that can be tweaked. The case can also be made that Washingotn isn't needed and MIL/MIN can just do Bogut for DWill+filler.

Is it just me or has Bogut lost a step? Maybe injuries have taken their toll but I don't see the same player I saw a few years back.

I believe Bogut has been pretty candid about that being the case. I do think he's a great fit in Minnesota though.

[Ruzious]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 2012 pick

Why for LAL? they get Dwight w/o giving up Gasol
Why for ORL? its clear, that Dwight will walk at end of season. So IMO, our #1 pick will be best deal available for them.
Why for Wiz? Bynum is 2nd best center and better than anyone coming out 2012 draft. We don't have to worry about developing potential and get a bonified stud centerpiece for next decade to go build alongside Wall. We'd immediately be an attractive spot for FAs. Add in Gordon this year or Harden next year, along w/ our other blue collar young bucks and I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

If you substitute "Davis" for the Wizards 2012 pick, do you still like that idea? And wow, Bynum gets injured blowing his nose - why would we give up the farm for him?

Yup, even with just a 25% chance of getting Davis, I wouldn't consider that trade. Bynum will turn 30 this year. Does it make sense to think a player will be LESS injury prone after he turns 30? Of course not. Not to mention - if you believe in kharma, Bynum's got none after that incident in the playoffs. That was one of the saddest displays I've ever seen on a basketball court, and as good a player as he is, I'm doubting that image ever lets me root for him on a basketball court.

[GoneShammGone]

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Yup, even with just a 25% chance of getting Davis, I wouldn't consider that trade. Bynum will turn 30 this year. Does it make sense to think a player will be LESS injury prone after he turns 30? Of course not. Not to mention - if you believe in kharma, Bynum's got none after that incident in the playoffs. That was one of the saddest displays I've ever seen on a basketball court, and as good a player as he is, I'm doubting that image ever lets me root for him on a basketball court.

I'm no fan of Bynum, but lets not get crazy here... he's only 24. But still considering his injury history, it might be fair to say that he will have the body of a 30 year old.

[7-Day Dray]

Bynum is 24.

[TGW]

GoneShammGone....effin' hilarious.

[Ruzious]

Sorry about that - I looked under Bynum at RealGM, and they had Andre Bynum first rather than Andrew Bynum. I'd never heard of Andre, but apparently he's 29. There's still no way I'd trade a 25% chance to get Davis - to get Andrew Bynum, but at least I can now understand the logic of it.

[The Fax]

What do you guys think of this swap?

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Morris isn't getting any burn in Houston, and with the surprising play of Chandler Parsons they may be interested in a swap. I'm not sure if Booker would be enough though, maybe we throw in Jordan Crawford? I really like Morris, could become a quality player.

[Ruzious]

Fax, I like that trade, because I'm probably Marcus Morris' biggest fan - but not till the offseason. The Wiz are trying to work on changing their culture, and Booker kindof embodies that change - with his no-nonsense approach and physical toughness. Trading Booker now for a rookie who's not even playing would send the wrong message. In the offseason, the Wiz are almost certainly going to draft a PF, so it would make a lot of sense to trade Booker then for a young 3 like Morris who can shoot.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 1st

... I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

I'm at a loss here. Why would the Lakers be involved? Why trade for the 2nd best center instead of the best one?

If we just made that trade for Howard and IF Howard would consider a max extension, of course you'd do it.

If we landed the top pick, I'm not sure I'd trade it for anyone in the league other than Howard, Griffin or Le Douchebag (ugh, did I actually write that?)

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

^ add Durant to that list

[nate33]

Fax, I like that trade, because I'm probably Marcus Morris' biggest fan - but not till the offseason. The Wiz are trying to work on changing their culture, and Booker kindof embodies that change - with his no-nonsense approach and physical toughness. Trading Booker now for a rookie who's not even playing would send the wrong message. In the offseason, the Wiz are almost certainly going to draft a PF, so it would make a lot of sense to trade Booker then for a young 3 like Morris who can shoot.

Yeah, that's about where I'm at too.

As I've said before, one of Vesely or Booker must ultimately be traded. As of now, I'd actually prefer to trade Vesely and keep Booker, but I readily cede that it's way too early to make a fair judgement on Vesely. So basically, we can't trade Booker because he's the closest thing we have to a team leader right now; and we can't trade Vesely because we don't know enough about his game yet.

Wait at least until the Trade Deadline, and probably until next summer, before making the call.

[Illuminaire]

My argument for trading Booker is that he is either at his ceiling or darned close to it... and what he brings to the table isn't anything we can't find via a vet big down the road.

I could be terribly wrong, of course.

[TGW]

The Rox wouldn't trade MM for Booker. MM has legitimate offensive talent...way more so than his brother, who's already doing well in Phoenix. Book hustles, but he doesn't excel at any one thing really. I think we like book simply because he's not Blatche, and that's not enough unfortunately.

[Hoopalotta]

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Yup, even with just a 25% chance of getting Davis, I wouldn't consider that trade. Bynum will turn 30 this year. Does it make sense to think a player will be LESS injury prone after he turns 30? Of course not. Not to mention - if you believe in kharma, Bynum's got none after that incident in the playoffs. That was one of the saddest displays I've ever seen on a basketball court, and as good a player as he is, I'm doubting that image ever lets me root for him on a basketball court.

I'm no fan of Bynum, but lets not get crazy here... he's only 24. But still considering his injury history, it might be fair to say that he will have the body of a 30 year old.

His knees age in dog years.

[The Fax]

Yeah everyone has a good point. It's just a damn shame we didn't just take MM with the 6th pick in the first place...I think this guy has serious talent. Hopefully he doesn't get any major minutes in Houston or they'll figure that out too.

[llcc25]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 1st

... I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

I'm at a loss here. Why would the Lakers be involved? Why trade for the 2nd best center instead of the best one?

If we just made that trade for Howard and IF Howard would consider a max extension, of course you'd do it.

If we landed the top pick, I'm not sure I'd trade it for anyone in the league other than Howard, Griffin or Le Douchebag (ugh, did I actually write that?)

The reason why Lakers would be involved is b/c Howard has already stated that his only preferred destinations are NJ, DAL, and LAL. Of course, I'd prefer Howard over Bynum but Howard wouldn't sign long term with us.