Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Calling all draft gurus (Ruzious, Dat2U, CCJ, SevernHoos, stevemcqueen1, SUPERBALLMAN, etc.).

I have a mission for you: Find me the next Danny Gibson/Derek Fisher/Mario Chalmers - a 3&D PG. With John Wall in the fold, we have the flexibility to fit one of these guys on the roster. The great thing about them is that they're dirt cheap because few teams can fit them in defensively. But if you have a PG with SG size, you can make it work. It's like adding a starting caliber player for the price of a 10th man. Hopefully there's somebody like that available in the 2nd round.

Whatever happened to Marcus Denmon? I thought he might be that type of player.

Seth Curry. He's not a PG, but ya don't need him to be.

San Antonio effectively sent Denmon to France for a year. With their depth, that was the smartest thing to do.

Curry doesn't have the "D" in Nate's 3&D request (I don't think Gibson and Fisher (in his prime) do either). I thin Erick Green is pretty underrated. He'll turn 22 in a couple of years, is a combo guard, and 39% from 3 on a ton of attempts (is also a 82% FT) shooter. Curry is a better shooter, but Green is taller and can fill a combo guard role.

Yeah I like Green in the 2nd round too, but expect he'll go late 1st. Muscala, Murphy and Green are my personal favorites for us at 37.

[MinneOOPalis]

Hello twolves fan here. What is the general idea of what you guys are gonna do? Trade or keep the pick?


And do you guys think there is a chance you pick shabazz if he is available?

[nate33]

Hello twolves fan here. What is the general idea of what you guys are gonna do? Trade or keep the pick?


And do you guys think there is a chance you pick shabazz if he is available?

Nobody really knows. The coach and some of the players have said in interviews that they're not interested in developing a project and would prefer a win-now vet, but then, coaches and players always prefer that so I don't know how meaningful it is.

We have a lame duck GM with only one year left on his contract who is trying to save his job, so that may increase the likelihood of a trade.

But in the long run, this team only has 2 pieces in place: Wall and Beal. Maybe you can count Webster if he's resigned. Booker is a reasonably capable bench role player. Everybody else either sucks or is too old to build around. The team is in dire need of a young building block in the front court. With a draft so deep in big men, it would be a shame to pass one up.

[Dark Faze]

Ernie picking a guy with a stress fracture in his ankle who won't make training camp or be able to get his body ready for the NBA season, who is going to have to be on a minute restriction from jump, seems like a crazy pick for a guy who's job is on the line this year.

And does Lens own coach even like him that much? He was benched for one of the NIT games lol.

I won't profess to know what Ernie is going to do--I know the goal he wants to reach to save his job--a playoff berth, but whether he thinks that pick is irrelevant due to pieces we already have, or if he thinks he needs a homerun pick...IDK.

I'd be depressed if there was a trade.

[DCZards]

Kinda interesting using the espn machine...

Bennett still going high (3-6).

Shows Dieng moving up to 12, just behind Zeller (11), and ahead of Olynyk (14).

Most often getting Wizards taking Len. Next is Muhammad. They take Len if he's there, and Muhammad if Len is already gone.

Hmmm...Len and then Muhammad if Len is gone. That would be my preference.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Kinda interesting using the espn machine...

Bennett still going high (3-6).

Shows Dieng moving up to 12, just behind Zeller (11), and ahead of Olynyk (14).

Most often getting Wizards taking Len. Next is Muhammad. They take Len if he's there, and Muhammad if Len is already gone.

Hmmm...Len and then Muhammad if Len is gone. That would be my preference.

Basically it shows the Wizards taking Len. I get him almost every time, unless the Wizards move into the top 3. The only scenario really where I don't get Len down at 8 or 9 is if Porter is gone before Cleveland picks. They seem to be the only other candidate for Len. Cleveland usually takes Porter, but if he's gone before they pick they take Len, leaving the Wizards to take Muhammad.

But most of the time it shows Cleveland taking Porter, and the Wizards taking Len.

[jivelikenice]

I'm not sure how D-League performace translates to the NBA, but Glen Rice Jr looked impressive in this Draft Express scouting report. He has the athleticism to run the floor, shooting ability, is effective off the pump fake and drive game, and can board. His perimeter D needs some work and it doesn't look like he's great at creating his own offense, but that's not needed next to Wall/Beal. He had maturity issues but maybe the stint in the minors helped him mature? 8 is too high obviously, but he's a prospect that might shoot up the boards with some good workouts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 5E_IpKjowQ

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm not sure how D-League performace translates to the NBA, but Glen Rice Jr looked impressive in this Draft Express scouting report. He has the athleticism to run the floor, shooting ability, is effective off the pump fake and drive game, and can board. His perimeter D needs some work and it doesn't look like he's great at creating his own offense, but that's not needed next to Wall/Beal. He had maturity issues but maybe the stint in the minors helped him mature? 8 is too high obviously, but he's a prospect that might shoot up the boards with some good workouts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 5E_IpKjowQ

Talent-wise I like him too, but he seems a real mess off the court. I think I'd rather take a flyer on Hardaway Jr in the late 2nd round, or as far as a SF I'd much rather take a high character guy like Solomon Hill in the 2nd round too.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Kinda interesting using the espn machine...

Bennett still going high (3-6).

Shows Dieng moving up to 12, just behind Zeller (11), and ahead of Olynyk (14).

Most often getting Wizards taking Len. Next is Muhammad. They take Len if he's there, and Muhammad if Len is already gone.

Hmmm...Len and then Muhammad if Len is gone. That would be my preference.

The problem with Muhammad, or one of the problems, is drafting Muhammad ensures Webster is gone. I don't know if that's much of an upgrade on the court, and definitely a downgrade in the locker room.

We would be swapping Muhammad for Webster, a player who is just entering his prime, while not addressing other areas of need, such as center or PF which are easier to address in the draft than in free agency.

For example, I could see drafting Muhammad, letting Webster go, and signing someone like Tolliver to add a "veteran". Len concerns me too with his foot though.

McCollum is looking better and better to me all the time. Although I don't get any hint the Wizards have any consideration of him. But that could just be Ernie's shrewdness. Also the uncertainty of the prospects in this draft leave me leaning toward more of the sure things like Zeller, Olynyk, Oladipo, Burke, Dieng.

[Rafael122]

Ford's 2nd Mock Draft taking into account team needs: Len to the Wizards.

I fail to see why he has 2 mock drafts out before the lottery. Makes no sense.

[Induveca]

Rotator cuff....sounds like a shoulder press accident.

Bennett concerns me now, he looks like without his workout regimen he'll gain weight QUICKLY.

[FAH1223]

I played the lottery machine for the first time this Spring and we got the #1 pick ya'll.

[jivelikenice]

I'm not sure how D-League performace translates to the NBA, but Glen Rice Jr looked impressive in this Draft Express scouting report. He has the athleticism to run the floor, shooting ability, is effective off the pump fake and drive game, and can board. His perimeter D needs some work and it doesn't look like he's great at creating his own offense, but that's not needed next to Wall/Beal. He had maturity issues but maybe the stint in the minors helped him mature? 8 is too high obviously, but he's a prospect that might shoot up the boards with some good workouts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 5E_IpKjowQ

Talent-wise I like him too, but he seems a real mess off the court. I think I'd rather take a flyer on Hardaway Jr in the late 2nd round, or as far as a SF I'd much rather take a high character guy like Solomon Hill in the 2nd round too.

Its possible, but it seems like his issues came in college and he stayed out of trouble in the D-League. Have to give some credit to a guy who cleans up his act whe nhis back is to the wall versus going in the other direction and just bottoming out. I have no idea if character is an issue, but I hope the team is willing to do their due diligence because athletically and skillwise, he offers exactly what we need at the 3 long-term.

[jivelikenice]

The problem with Muhammad, or one of the problems, is drafting Muhammad ensures Webster is gone. I don't know if that's much of an upgrade on the court, and definitely a downgrade in the locker room.

I'm not sure why you jump to that conclusion. Ariza is signed only for one more season and this team has already agreed to a trade invlolving him once. If we draft a 3, I think Webster signs (unless someone offers more than the MLE) and we trade Ariza. If we don't draft a 3, we keep both and Let Ariza play out his contract or use him in a deal for salary purposes. I think its more likely he's not here at some point next year than Webster.

[dobrojim]

Calling all draft gurus (Ruzious, Dat2U, CCJ, SevernHoos, stevemcqueen1, SUPERBALLMAN, etc.).

I have a mission for you: Find me the next Danny Gibson/Derek Fisher/Mario Chalmers - a 3&D PG. With John Wall in the fold, we have the flexibility to fit one of these guys on the roster. The great thing about them is that they're dirt cheap because few teams can fit them in defensively. But if you have a PG with SG size, you can make it work. It's like adding a starting caliber player for the price of a 10th man. Hopefully there's somebody like that available in the 2nd round.

Whatever happened to Marcus Denmon? I thought he might be that type of player.

don't consider myself a guru on the level of many on the board but...

what about Wolters? Or does he fail the D side of that equation?

[Dat2U]

Calling all draft gurus (Ruzious, Dat2U, CCJ, SevernHoos, stevemcqueen1, SUPERBALLMAN, etc.).

I have a mission for you: Find me the next Danny Gibson/Derek Fisher/Mario Chalmers - a 3&D PG. With John Wall in the fold, we have the flexibility to fit one of these guys on the roster. The great thing about them is that they're dirt cheap because few teams can fit them in defensively. But if you have a PG with SG size, you can make it work. It's like adding a starting caliber player for the price of a 10th man. Hopefully there's somebody like that available in the 2nd round.

Whatever happened to Marcus Denmon? I thought he might be that type of player.

don't consider myself a guru on the level of many on the board but...

what about Wolters? Or does he fail the D side of that equation?

The two guys I like are Pierre Jackson & Isaiah Canaan. Canaan looked like a legit 1st round pick before slipping a bit this past season. Jackson reminds me of Isaiah Thomas of the Kings and would be my definite choice if he's available in the 2nd round.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Calling all draft gurus (Ruzious, Dat2U, CCJ, SevernHoos, stevemcqueen1, SUPERBALLMAN, etc.).

I have a mission for you: Find me the next Danny Gibson/Derek Fisher/Mario Chalmers - a 3&D PG. With John Wall in the fold, we have the flexibility to fit one of these guys on the roster. The great thing about them is that they're dirt cheap because few teams can fit them in defensively. But if you have a PG with SG size, you can make it work. It's like adding a starting caliber player for the price of a 10th man. Hopefully there's somebody like that available in the 2nd round.

Whatever happened to Marcus Denmon? I thought he might be that type of player.

I agree with Ruz on Seth Curry. Isaiah Canaan also will consistently hit open threes.

However, I would choose Wolters or Ray McCallum because they're better overall PGs.

Edited to add: I love Pierre Jackson's game. He's a lot like Nate Robinson.

[Dat2U]

I'm not sure how D-League performace translates to the NBA, but Glen Rice Jr looked impressive in this Draft Express scouting report. He has the athleticism to run the floor, shooting ability, is effective off the pump fake and drive game, and can board. His perimeter D needs some work and it doesn't look like he's great at creating his own offense, but that's not needed next to Wall/Beal. He had maturity issues but maybe the stint in the minors helped him mature? 8 is too high obviously, but he's a prospect that might shoot up the boards with some good workouts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 5E_IpKjowQ

Talent-wise I like him too, but he seems a real mess off the court. I think I'd rather take a flyer on Hardaway Jr in the late 2nd round, or as far as a SF I'd much rather take a high character guy like Solomon Hill in the 2nd round too.

Glen Rice Jr is putting up numbers in the NBDL that make me take notice. I think he's a lock first round pick. Not sure about #8 but he looks to have legit NBA talent. I can't say the same for Hardaway Jr or Solomon Hill. Both put up rather pedestrian numbers against lesser competition than Rice who excelled against other pro prospects. I don't think either Hardaway Jr or Hill are draftable unless were talking about our late 2nd round pick.

[Nivek]

Calling all draft gurus (Ruzious, Dat2U, CCJ, SevernHoos, stevemcqueen1, SUPERBALLMAN, etc.).

I have a mission for you: Find me the next Danny Gibson/Derek Fisher/Mario Chalmers - a 3&D PG. With John Wall in the fold, we have the flexibility to fit one of these guys on the roster. The great thing about them is that they're dirt cheap because few teams can fit them in defensively. But if you have a PG with SG size, you can make it work. It's like adding a starting caliber player for the price of a 10th man. Hopefully there's somebody like that available in the 2nd round.

Whatever happened to Marcus Denmon? I thought he might be that type of player.

As someone mentioned, the Spurs sent Denmon overseas. He broke his foot almost immediately, so his first "development" season is a wash.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't think there is a great need for a 3-and-D PG. AJ Price hits threes. Defense is tighter with Beal and Temple defending and Wall switching to cover SG.

Where there is a great need is the Wizards need better playmaking besides Wall. They need another breakdown scorer. They need a good shooting face up big man who is at least 6'10". They need an energetic rebounder, shot blocker with legit C height.

Of course they also need to cut their losses between Vesely, Singleton, and Seraphin unless each make a giant leap this summer.