Political Roundtable - Part VI

[hands11]

"Yes you are funding green energy and hence an industry. Which is fine if you limit the time for the funding (tax rebates). But any energy company can do the same..."

Any green energy company can do it. An oil company can't do it, unless they stopped being an oil company and became a green energy company.

So, we get back to the original argument. Some economists (Krugman being one) have suggested that we ought to give money and customers (in the form of tax breaks and incentives, and the resulting new green energy customers generated by people migrating away from disincentives) to green energy companies, and they wish to take away money and customers from fossil fuel producing companies. That money and those customers would artificially inflate a green energy market (which would not occur as a natural process of the market without the help of the tax and incentives) and only benefit those companies helping to produce green energy. And thus those economists are wishing to help, say, solar reflector manufacturers (with tax breaks, customers and research dollars) to compete against (and ultimately overtake) oil companies. Again, I'm unsure how that wouldn't be described as picking a winner and a loser. That's exactly the outcome they wish to occur -- one sector (and the individual companies in that sector) winning, the other sector being phased out or drastically reduced.

Oil companies are energy companies. The smart ones will transition. But they were always going to ride the dirty oil train as long as they could. Big SUVs only helped them. Did you see the maximized profits they just booked. Its only our government that has enough power to take on companies this big and politically powerful and help path a way to the future. They don't want us all with solar panels, etc they are self generating. Hell no. They want us hooked on their oil.

I have wanted move solar since the 70s and I know big oil was directly stalling it from happening via the Republicans.

BP old logos.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CC8Q9QEwAQ

[hands11]

Wow! It's essentially the same price drop equivalent in Canada and much of Western Europe. Can't POSSIBLY be OPEC policies, new Iranian president, sluggish first world economies, Libya, Syria, international instability caused by the US financial standoffs.....it's all the magic of Obama.

I suspect many French supporters of President Hollande are mistakenly singing his praises as they fill up on petrol, oblivious that it was actually Obama who saved them their hard earned euros.

Indu.. That was the point of my post. Its wasn't Obama's fault the prices where high when Rs railed on him about how he came into an gas was 1.66 but the evil Obama came into office and gas is over 4.00 a gallon after two years. That was a favorite Fox and R talking point ( half truth propaganda ) It was only 1.66 because it feel like a rock in the financial crash from over 4.00 just 3 month before it hit that bottom. But they left that part out. I don't mind nuanced spin, but what they do it outside that guideline. They knowingly create outrage by telling half trues that make things look terrible when they aren't.

I'm not saying what a president does doesn't have any effect ever. Specially if they choice to go to war with an oil nation or the do some kind of embargo, but oil prices are a world thing and there are plenty of other factors involved.

My point was, Fox and the Rs relentlessly blamed him when gas was over 4.00. So are they lining up to reward him now that the prices are dropping ? No.. They aren't. Because that would be fair and balanced even using their logic.

Fair enough just remember it always goes both ways. When I lived in the states during the Bush administration I actually had a startup around gas tracking I eventually sold to a larger competitor.

We had streams of RSS feeds around gas prices and there were no shortage of democrats blaming republicans for higher gas prices. And vice versa of course.

Higher gas prices cost me more at the pump, but made me far more with a site VERY similar to Gasbuddy. Built the thing in a week. Thanks for the flashback.

Apologies if I came across too harsh. You're hard to read at times hands.

Really. I'm hard to read. I think I'm a pretty straight shooter. LOL

As for my party choice right now. I support the party that is worthy of being supported. In my eye, there is only one logical choice because the Rs are complicate in the creation of the nut job Confederate Evangelical Party.

For the record, I have voted for local Rs in the past for both house, senate and local government. But I wouldn't do that today. I have never voted for a Rs for President though. But I did vote for Ross Perot who was an independent. Right now I would vote straight line Dems. I find the R party to be unworthy of holding office. They are a danger to this country with the crap they are selling.

But for clarity. I did say there are some things a president of the United States can do policy wise that would effect oil and gas prices. We can go to war with a major oil country. We can tax rebate large SUVs ( see Bush). But those effects won't be permanent. Market forces will eventually kick in and economic booms and busts will always change the prices.

Not sure what the number is but I think oil companies want the barrel price in the 80-100 range per their cartel. They will ramp up supply or cut it back to try to maintain that. Only thing that can threaten that is a world wide conversion to electric power which we get to some day in the future. Also, one day we will have hydrogen power or fusion. Oil has no long term future.

We will tackle this energy problem eventually which is exactly why you want lots of R&D. The solution is in technological advances, not in drilling more and ripping carbon out of the ground. That is a caveman approach compared to where we will end up. We should have started a massive sustained effect to develop new clean energy starting in the 70s. All we did was waste 40 years. But thats a generation and thats how long it takes sometimes for the young vision to take hold.

Drill baby drill is great for a hot date, not an future worthy of the world.

[Wizardspride]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/2 ... r=Politics

Dick Durbin: Top House GOP Leader Told Obama 'I Cannot Even Stand To Look At You' [UPDATE: WH Denies]


Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) alleged this weekend that a top House Republican leader told President Barack Obama, "I cannot even stand to look at you" during negotiations over the government shutdown.

Durbin made the charge in a Facebook post Sunday.

"Many Republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say President Obama just doesn't try hard enough to communicate with Republicans," he wrote. "What are the chances of an honest conversation with someone who has just said something so disrespectful?"

Durbin did not offer any additional details as to who made the remark or when the meeting occurred.

It remains unclear to what Durbin was referring. During the shutdown, Obama met with congressional leaders from both parties, a delegation of House Republicans, House Democrats, Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans, all in separate meetings.


Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), called on Durbin to back up his allegation. "Senator Durbin’s accusation is a serious one, and it appears to have been invented out of thin air. The senator should disclose who told him this account of events, retract his reckless allegation immediately, and apologize."

At his daily briefing on Wednesday, White House press secretary Jay Carney said that the incident never happened.

Despite the denial from the White House and Republican calls for an explanation, Durbin spokesman Max Gleischman told The Huffington Post later Wednesday, "Sen. Durbin stands by his comments."

[Wizardspride]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/2 ... ref=topbar

Harry Reid Told Caucus That Pete Sessions Was Behind Obama Insult, Senators Say


WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told his Democratic caucus last week in a private meeting that a top House Republican said to President Barack Obama, "I cannot even stand to look at you," according to two Democratic senators who were present, and confirmed by two Senate Democratic aides who said they independently learned of the exchange from two other senators.

The two senators were not in the meeting where the Republican reportedly made the remark, but said a top White House aide who was there told Senate Democratic leaders about it.

The revelation from the senators sheds new light on a Capitol Hill whodunit that burst into the public sphere when Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) shared the exchange on his Facebook page on Sunday. (The two senators at the private meeting requested anonymity to talk about it; neither of them are Durbin.)

The alleged incident took place in the throes of the government shutdown, when Obama was meeting with different factions of lawmakers to try to find a resolution to the debacle. The White House aide told Democratic leaders that the lawmaker who couldn't stand to look at the president was Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), the chairman of the House Rules Committee, the two senators told HuffPost.

[Induveca]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/24/world ... homepage-t

[W. Unseld]

Jim, I'm afraid I don't trust MSNBC's reporting any more than I do Hannity's. There are plenty of employers who have cut hours there are numerous sources including those as liberal as the dailykos about premiums being higher than people were previously paying and in some cases higher than they were quoted from the website. It hasn't exactly been a smashing success to date. Last week the R's were hostage takers & obstructionist for wanting to delay the individual mandate (the employer mandate has already been delayed) this week a coalition of dems up for election are requesting that it be delayed until after the election--clearly they don't think it will be a success either --at least in the short term.

Admittedly it's early but with the goal of the right being to repeal O-care (this is apparently still polling well or I don't think the established R's would be going along for the ride) and the goal of the dems to ultimately have single payer I don't see how the ACA makes it.

*Jim if your point was you shouldn't get your news from Hannity point taken & agreed.
**Also, did you used to have a grounds keeper Willie avatar?

Edit--I'm a technological idget. I thought I was responding to the latest post but I clearly wasn't sorry for the confusion.

[hands11]

Jim, I'm afraid I don't trust MSNBC's reporting any more than I do Hannity's. There are plenty of employers who have cut hours there are numerous sources including those as liberal as the dailykos about premiums being higher than people were previously paying and in some cases higher than they were quoted from the website. It hasn't exactly been a smashing success to date. Last week the R's were hostage takers & obstructionist for wanting to delay the individual mandate (the employer mandate has already been delayed) this week a coalition of dems up for election are requesting that it be delayed until after the election--clearly they don't think it will be a success either --at least in the short term.

Admittedly it's early but with the goal of the right being to repeal O-care (this is apparently still polling well or I don't think the established R's would be going along for the ride) and the goal of the dems to ultimately have single payer I don't see how the ACA makes it.

*Jim if your point was you shouldn't get your news from Hannity point taken & agreed.
**Also, did you used to have a grounds keeper Willie avatar?

Its only a web site. You can call. You can do it via mail. You can go in person. Just like people do with Medicare. The web site was simply an attempt to make an easier process. They will work it out.

I heard on proposal that suggested they could just piggy back throw servers that are already up and working like in California, etc.

For two.. never compare MSNBA to Hannity again. Or any Fox broadcast for that matter. That's absurd. I tuned into The Fox Sunday News show with Chris Wallace and it made my head hurt after about 10 minutes. And Chris is supposed to be the real reporter.

If you want information on a topic, what Rachel or Chris Hayes. They are the two Wonks. To learn with humor, catch the first half of Stewart. For a mix of wonk, humor and heated debate, Bill Maher Friday night HBO. For weekend Wonk, Up with Steve Kornacki. Then do your own internet learn about about any topic they bring up. If they get something wrong, they correct themselves. And if they are taking an position, they say they are.

[hands11]

So it appear Texas is up to more voter disenfranching.

Texas Judge Almost Blocked From Voting Because Of New Voter ID Law


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/sus ... hise-women

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/1 ... dge-voter/

As she told local channel Kiii News, 117th District Court Judge Sandra Watts was flagged for possible voter fraud because her driver’s license lists her maiden name as her middle name, while her voter registration form has her real middle name.

Watts worried that women who use maiden names or hyphenated names may be surprised at the polls. “I don’t think most women know that this is going to create a problem,” the judge said. “That their maiden name is on their driver’s license, which was mandated in 1964 when I got married

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So the state has conflicting laws ?

How any one can support Rs with all the BS they do is beyond me. There was never even evidence that voter fraud was a problem to begin with. Hey, if you can't win... cheat. God bless America.

Hey if we try hard enough, maybe we can make it all the way back to the 1800's.

[montestewart]

*Jim if your point was you shouldn't get your news from Hannity point taken & agreed.

never compare MSNBA [I guess that's pro basketball news with a liberal slant] to Hannity again

My wife and I spend A LOT of time with her frail and aged father. Two facts of life hanging out with him: the TV is always way too loud, and if it's not a game (baseball, football, or basketball) it's Fox news. But for that damn Fox news on all the time, I have no complaints about hanging out with him, but sometimes that feels like a deal breaker. I did mention that it was way too loud, didn't I?

He's a smart man (mathematician) and used to read two or three papers a day, along with a variety of intellectual/academic conservative publications. But his eyesight is not so good anymore, so he hardly reads anything but the sports page, and in recent months I noticed how increasingly ill-informed he seemed, relying solely on Fox news. I also wondered whether that network's nonstop shrill, alarmist tone was good for his mental health.

A couple of weeks ago, without any fanfare, I just switched him to CNN. It took him awhile to even notice, and when he did, I gussied up their credibility because Newt was on CNN, and I pointed out the numerous Republicans on that network. He really hasn't looked back, has decided he likes all the non-political news/opinion features (like Anthony Bourdain) much more, and he told my wife today he likes CNN a lot more than Fox. It's so much more peaceful over there. I can't believe I didn't try this years ago.

PS: For those of you that mostly just know him through his moronic sound bites, take it from someone who's been force fed Fox for years: the only time Hannity truly gets excited is when he's talking (I should say bragging) about his guns. There's a creepy can-I-be-in-your-club earnestness to it. He's the guy you never wanted to tag along.

[montestewart]

How any one can support Rs with all the BS they do is beyond me. There was never even evidence that voter fraud was a problem to begin with. Hey, if you can't win... cheat. God bless America.

I think there is and always has been some level of voter fraud, though I don't know that it necessarily favors one party over another. Maybe a better way to put it is that any voter fraud is problem, no matter which party is favored, but many of the actual and proposed laws to "combat voter fraud" seem more like gerrymandering, designed to produce a particular outcome on a greater scale than any alleged voter fraud.

[hands11]

*Jim if your point was you shouldn't get your news from Hannity point taken & agreed.

never compare MSNBA [I guess that's pro basketball news with a liberal slant] to Hannity again

My wife and I spend A LOT of time with her frail and aged father. Two facts of life hanging out with him: the TV is always way too loud, and if it's not a game (baseball, football, or basketball) it's Fox news. But for that damn Fox news on all the time, I have no complaints about hanging out with him, but sometimes that feels like a deal breaker. I did mention that it was way too loud, didn't I?

He's a smart man (mathematician) and used to read two or three papers a day, along with a variety of intellectual/academic conservative publications. But his eyesight is not so good anymore, so he hardly reads anything but the sports page, and in recent months I noticed how increasingly ill-informed he seemed, relying solely on Fox news. I also wondered whether that network's nonstop shrill, alarmist tone was good for his mental health.

A couple of weeks ago, without any fanfare, I just switched him to CNN. It took him awhile to even notice, and when he did, I gussied up their credibility because Newt was on CNN, and I pointed out the numerous Republicans on that network. He really hasn't looked back, has decided he likes all the non-political news/opinion features (like Anthony Bourdain) much more, and he told my wife today he likes CNN a lot more than Fox. It's so much more peaceful over there. I can't believe I didn't try this years ago.

PS: For those of you that mostly just know him through his moronic sound bites, take it from someone who's been force fed Fox for years: the only time Hannity truly gets excited is when he's talking (I should say bragging) about his guns. There's a creepy can-I-be-in-your-club earnestness to it. He's the guy you never wanted to tag along.

Awesome story. Had a vision of Morphia unplugging Neo.

Hope you both enjoy your time together more. Keep us updated.

[W. Unseld]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/harry-reid-pete-sessions_n_4156453.html?ref=topbar

Harry Reid Told Caucus That Pete Sessions Was Behind Obama Insult, Senators Say


WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told his Democratic caucus last week in a private meeting that a top House Republican said to President Barack Obama, "I cannot even stand to look at you," according to two Democratic senators who were present, and confirmed by two Senate Democratic aides who said they independently learned of the exchange from two other senators.

The two senators were not in the meeting where the Republican reportedly made the remark, but said a top White House aide who was there told Senate Democratic leaders about it.

The revelation from the senators sheds new light on a Capitol Hill whodunit that burst into the public sphere when Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) shared the exchange on his Facebook page on Sunday. (The two senators at the private meeting requested anonymity to talk about it; neither of them are Durbin.)

The alleged incident took place in the throes of the government shutdown, when Obama was meeting with different factions of lawmakers to try to find a resolution to the debacle. The White House aide told Democratic leaders that the lawmaker who couldn't stand to look at the president was Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), the chairman of the House Rules Committee, the two senators told HuffPost.

Not true apparently:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEn ... apundit%2F

[W. Unseld]

Its only a web site. You can call. You can do it via mail. You can go in person. Just like people do with Medicare. The web site was simply an attempt to make an easier process. They will work it out.

I heard on proposal that suggested they could just piggy back throw servers that are already up and working like in California, etc.

For two.. never compare MSNBA to Hannity again. Or any Fox broadcast for that matter. That's absurd. I tuned into The Fox Sunday News show with Chris Wallace and it made my head hurt after about 10 minutes. And Chris is supposed to be the real reporter.

If you want information on a topic, what Rachel or Chris Hayes. They are the two Wonks. To learn with humor, catch the first half of Stewart. For a mix of wonk, humor and heated debate, Bill Maher Friday night HBO. For weekend Wonk, Up with Steve Kornacki. Then do your own internet learn about about any topic they bring up. If they get something wrong, they correct themselves. And if they are taking an position, they say they are.

Hands, have you seen the video where the local reporter calls and ends up holding forever only to be referred to the website? The website could very well get resolved but that's clearly not the only problem and if there are so many ways outside of the website shouldn't enrollment be much larger? Finally you didn't address the rate issues or the inherent problem with the ACA--it's not what it's own authors & co-sponsors actually want. Don't waste your blindingly fast posting speed defending a program that neither side wants permanently.

As for your list I like get doses of most everyone on it--though I haven't seen Kornacki yet--the problem is you're only hearing different facets of the same spectrum. You'll find out about factual stories that either don't get reported or get tragically under-reported if you're only partaking of media from one side.

[dckingsfan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/harry-reid-pete-sessions_n_4156453.html?ref=topbar

Harry Reid Told Caucus That Pete Sessions Was Behind Obama Insult, Senators Say


WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told his Democratic caucus last week in a private meeting that a top House Republican said to President Barack Obama, "I cannot even stand to look at you," according to two Democratic senators who were present, and confirmed by two Senate Democratic aides who said they independently learned of the exchange from two other senators.

The two senators were not in the meeting where the Republican reportedly made the remark, but said a top White House aide who was there told Senate Democratic leaders about it.

The revelation from the senators sheds new light on a Capitol Hill whodunit that burst into the public sphere when Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) shared the exchange on his Facebook page on Sunday. (The two senators at the private meeting requested anonymity to talk about it; neither of them are Durbin.)

The alleged incident took place in the throes of the government shutdown, when Obama was meeting with different factions of lawmakers to try to find a resolution to the debacle. The White House aide told Democratic leaders that the lawmaker who couldn't stand to look at the president was Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), the chairman of the House Rules Committee, the two senators told HuffPost.

Not true apparently:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEn ... apundit%2F

This administration is turning into a bumbling one... it makes me very sad. We have had to suffer through both Bush and Obama now - my European friends just laugh.

[hands11]

Its only a web site. You can call. You can do it via mail. You can go in person. Just like people do with Medicare. The web site was simply an attempt to make an easier process. They will work it out.

I heard on proposal that suggested they could just piggy back throw servers that are already up and working like in California, etc.

For two.. never compare MSNBA to Hannity again. Or any Fox broadcast for that matter. That's absurd. I tuned into The Fox Sunday News show with Chris Wallace and it made my head hurt after about 10 minutes. And Chris is supposed to be the real reporter.

If you want information on a topic, what Rachel or Chris Hayes. They are the two Wonks. To learn with humor, catch the first half of Stewart. For a mix of wonk, humor and heated debate, Bill Maher Friday night HBO. For weekend Wonk, Up with Steve Kornacki. Then do your own internet learn about about any topic they bring up. If they get something wrong, they correct themselves. And if they are taking an position, they say they are.

Hands, have you seen the video where the local reporter calls and ends up holding forever only to be referred to the website? The website could very well get resolved but that's clearly not the only problem and if there are so many ways outside of the website shouldn't enrollment be much larger? Finally you didn't address the rate issues or the inherent problem with the ACA--it's not what it's own authors & co-sponsors actually want. Don't waste your blindingly fast posting speed defending a program that neither side wants permanently.

As for your list I like get doses of most everyone on it--though I haven't seen Kornacki yet--the problem is you're only hearing different facets of the same spectrum. You'll find out about factual stories that either don't get reported or get tragically under-reported if you're only partaking of media from one side.

Well, I'm not a reporter so I use news sources to see whats going on. I also scan the Post and started looking at the NY Times. And I see stuff posted here. There is a endless amount of information. At some point you need to unplug. Thats something I need to work on more. Lots of it is just noise. And the legislative process has been moving at a snails pace so you aren't likely to miss anything.

Personally, I feel like I have been given shock therapy with all the crisis manufactured and otherwise.
10 years of two wars, water torture, NSA, Patriot Act, government shut downs, debt limit default threats, Enron and wall street and worldwide banking melt downs, GM about to go bankrupt. Watching to Rs try a government takeover with anti American voting restrictions, killing abortion doctors, supreme court ruling making corporations people and money free speech. All the disgusting unprofessional crap the R have done in regards to not governing and how they slander our President and what they did to Clinton. Evangelicals trying to rule the country like its 1850. BP dumping millions of gallons of oil into the gulf because .. you know.. drill baby drill.. and yee haw.. regulations suck.

And most of this stuff doesn't have to be a problem. Its manufactured problems. Its the agendas of some mega rich, some international corporations and the political evangelicals, jamming their agenda on us via the Rs.

I'm ready for this phase we are going through to end. I don't want religious zealot in office trying to install their social view politically. You want to be a religious zealot, fine, but leave me and the government out of it. I don't want a war on drugs and warehousing of people for profit in privatized prisons. I want to continue to see the acceptance and implementation of clearer and renewable energy. I want free and open elections. I want reporters to act like them and fact check. Don't just give idiots an open mic for factless propaganda and leave it unchallanged. I want a separation of church and state. I want to see what effect this more moderate modern Pope has. I want this war footing ended and progress made being friends with Iran again. And for God sake, can we get past this Israel/Pakistan thing already. I want out of Afghanistan. I want to see a return to a more equitable way of distribution and sharing the wealth We Create, so people aren't working like slaves so they can enjoy their families and have some fun again. So we have a healthy middle class with more women staying home as mothers if they want. Lazy Sundays hanging out with friends and family.

Sorry, but ever since Bush took office, life has sucked in my book. Actually, I have noticed that whenever Rs exert power since Reagan and then Newt that tends to happen. Actually, Nixon was a huge turning point in our politics. I want my government to work and get things done. I want a balance of proper progressive taxes and efficient spending. I don't want everything privatized and outsourced. I don't want their wars or their tax cut debt or their drill baby drill and dirty pipelines. I want clean, progress, debate of viable solutions over real economic theories, and technological advances that make sense. I don't want to huge to fail. I want to banks broken back up so we support smaller regional banks over centralized Wall Street mega banks. I want small farming supported over Monsanto. I want us to rebuild our infrastructure and get people back to work. I want good solid blue collar jobs again. I want chill and happy. We don't have to have all this craziness, crisis, political BS stopping us some easy sensible progress.

I pray we get through his phase and get to the good stuff sooner rather then later. The solutions aren't mysterious unanswerable things if you have a solid vision of balance. If you don't want to destroy the government. If you believe in science and facts and fair and balanced. If you support politicians that are more statesmanlike and less pit bull no nothing zealots. And if you don't believe your religious views are the answer for everyone and should be forced on them. Practice attraction rather then promotion. We can have a bright future were the craziness ends and we are balanced, productive and enjoying our lives more. We just have to get through this transition from white man corporate rule and get into the future of multicultural with man and women sharing power in a more secular government.

[dckingsfan]

Hands, have you seen the video where the local reporter calls and ends up holding forever only to be referred to the website? The website could very well get resolved but that's clearly not the only problem and if there are so many ways outside of the website shouldn't enrollment be much larger? Finally you didn't address the rate issues or the inherent problem with the ACA--it's not what it's own authors & co-sponsors actually want. Don't waste your blindingly fast posting speed defending a program that neither side wants permanently.

As for your list I like get doses of most everyone on it--though I haven't seen Kornacki yet--the problem is you're only hearing different facets of the same spectrum. You'll find out about factual stories that either don't get reported or get tragically under-reported if you're only partaking of media from one side.

Well, I'm not a reporter so I use news sources to see whats going on. I also scan the Post and started looking at the NY Times. And I see stuff posted here. There is a endless amount of information. At some point you need to unplug. Thats something I need to work on more. Lots of it is just noise. And the legislative process has been moving at a snails pace so you aren't likely to miss anything.

Personally, I feel like I have been given shock therapy with all the crisis manufactured and otherwise.
10 years of two wars, water torture, NSA, Patriot Act, government shut downs, debt limit default threats, Enron and wall street and worldwide banking melt downs, GM about to go bankrupt. Watching to Rs try a government takeover with anti American voting restrictions, killing abortion doctors, supreme court ruling making corporations people and money free speech. All the disgusting unprofessional crap the R have done in regards to not governing and how they slander our President and what they did to Clinton. Evangelicals trying to rule the country like its 1850. BP dumping millions of gallons of oil into the gulf because .. you know.. drill baby drill.. and yee haw.. regulations suck.

And most of this stuff doesn't have to be a problem. Its manufactured problems. Its the agendas of some mega rich, some international corporations and the political evangelicals, jamming their agenda on us via the Rs.

I'm ready for this phase we are going through to end. I don't want religious zealot in office trying to install their social view politically. You want to be a religious zealot, fine, but leave me and the government out of it. I don't want a war on drugs and warehousing of people for profit in privatized prisons. I want to continue to see the acceptance and implementation of clearer and renewable energy. I want free and open elections. I want reporters to act like them and fact check. Don't just give idiots an open mic for factless propaganda and leave it unchallanged. I want a separation of church and state. I want to see what effect this more moderate modern Pope has. I want this war footing ended and progress made being friends with Iran again. And for God sake, can we get past this Israel/Pakistan thing already. I want out of Afghanistan. I want to see a return to a more equitable way of distribution and sharing the wealth We Create, so people aren't working like slaves so they can enjoy their families and have some fun again. So we have a healthy middle class with more women staying home as mothers if they want. Lazy Sundays hanging out with friends and family.

Sorry, but ever since Bush took office, life has sucked in my book. Actually, I have noticed that whenever Rs exert power since Reagan and then Newt that tends to happen. Actually, Nixon was a huge turning point in our politics. I want my government to work and get things done. I want a balance of proper progressive taxes and efficient spending. I don't want everything privatized and outsourced. I don't want their wars or their tax cut debt or their drill baby drill and dirty pipelines. I want clean, progress, debate of viable solutions over real economic theories, and technological advances that make sense. I don't want to huge to fail. I want to banks broken back up so we support smaller regional banks over centralized Wall Street mega banks. I want small farming supported over Monsanto. I want us to rebuild our infrastructure and get people back to work. I want good solid blue collar jobs again. I want chill and happy. We don't have to have all this craziness, crisis, political BS stopping us some easy sensible progress.

I pray we get through his phase and get to the good stuff sooner rather then later. The solutions aren't mysterious unanswerable things if you have a solid vision of balance. If you don't want to destroy the government. If you believe in science and facts and fair and balanced. If you support politicians that are more statesmanlike and less pit bull no nothing zealots. And if you don't believe your religious views are the answer for everyone and should be forced on them. Practice attraction rather then promotion. We can have a bright future were the craziness ends and we are balanced, productive and enjoying our lives more. We just have to get through this transition from white man corporate rule and get into the future of multicultural with man and women sharing power in a more secular government.

Wow, Republicans are to blame for the world's demise. Maybe you should open up your views. They may be responsible for a bunch of the problem maybe even 60%. But it isn't like the democrats haven't been culpable.

Time for a 3rd party.

[fishercob]

This website snafu is Just So Democrat.

They have big ideas and their hearts are often in the right place, but the implementation is such a disaster that you end up questioning whether the whole thing was even worth it to begin with.

The Republicans are worse because of the powerful faction of hate-mongering, anti-Gay, anti-science, anti-background check to buy a bazooka, anti-woman, "Christians" who wouldn't know the first thing about Christian values.

So yeah. Both parties suck. Can we finally have moderate third party that's socially progressive and fiscally disciplined? Pretty please?

[dckingsfan]

This website snafu is Just So Democrat.

They have big ideas and their hearts are often in the right place, but the implementation is such a disaster that you end up questioning whether the whole thing was even worth it to begin with.

The Republicans are worse because of the powerful faction of hate-mongering, anti-Gay, anti-science, anti-background check to buy a bazooka, anti-woman, "Christians" who wouldn't know the first thing about Christian values.

So yeah. Both parties suck. Can we finally have moderate third party that's socially progressive and fiscally disciplined? Pretty please?

Violent agreement - I would join in a heartbeat. SPFC (Social Progressive Fiscal Conservative (party)).

[dckingsfan]

I would add that since 40% of Americans no longer have a party - with the right leadership it is definitely doable.

[fishercob]

I would add that since 40% of Americans no longer have a party - with the right leadership it is definitely doable.