Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

MikeTheKid · Post #1441 » by **MikeTheKid** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:04 pm

Dark Faze wrote:two second round picks for Hawes?

dammit Ernie do something

this is terrible

Wait................that was it for Hawes??? WTF Cmon Ernie

'Turner's definitely next, they got the Hawes deal done too early

Dark Faze · Post #1442 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:07 pm

Nivek wrote:I have no interest in signing Carmelo. It would take all the team's cap room and would get them a 30-year old who's long been overrated, and is more likely to start declining before his next contract is up.

Also, the cap room MLE would be about $2.7 million. Is Okafor going to sign for that?

I'd like to see the Wizards focus on acquiring younger players who have more of a future than patching together 30+ year olds who are in (or entering) the expensive decline portion of their careers.

My interest in Melo is more off the basis off of moves that I could see this current FO actually making, not what I'd actually do were I gm.

Still though, I think Melo is nowhere near a decline and I think Melo at PF is a completely different player than he is at SF. Most of his deficiencies as a player are negated at that position imo.

keynote · Post #1443 » by **keynote** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:15 pm

Dark Faze wrote:two second round picks for Hawes?

dammit Ernie do something

this is terrible

Hawes is a UFA. I don't think he'd have been available for 2 seconds at the beginning of the year, and I don't want to give up 2 seconds to rent a backup big for a playoff run.

If the Wizards prefer Hawed to Gortat, I suppose they can renounce their rights to Gortat and go after Hawes in the offseason.

Nivek · Post #1444 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:19 pm

I agree he's better at PF than SF. I still wouldn't want him at the price he'd command/demand. And, he'd have to take a significant pay cut to sign with the Wizards as a free agent. The most the Wiz could offer would be ~$16 million. His max (if he signs as a free agent) would be roughly $20.6 million. He'd get $23.3 million by playing out the last year of his contract.

Or, he could sign an extension with the Knicks (or via sign and trade with another team), which would use that $23.3 million as basically the starting point on a new contract with 7.5% raises.

Carmelo would have to leave tens of millions on the table to come to Washington. Or, he'd have to come in a trade, in which case the Wiz would have to give up something to get him.

Doesn't seem like a realistic (or desirable) offseason target.

Dark Faze · Post #1445 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:23 pm

Nivek wrote:I agree he's better at PF than SF. I still wouldn't want him at the price he'd command/demand. And, he'd have to take a significant pay cut to sign with the Wizards as a free agent. The most the Wiz could offer would be ~$16 million. His max (if he signs as a free agent) would be roughly $20.6 million. He'd get $23.3 million by playing out the last year of his contract.

Or, he could sign an extension with the Knicks (or via sign and trade with another team), which would use that $23.3 million as basically the starting point on a new contract with 7.5% raises.

Carmelo would have to leave tens of millions on the table to come to Washington. Or, he'd have to come in a trade, in which case the Wiz would have to give up something to get him.

Doesn't seem like a realistic (or desirable) offseason target.

Are these numbers off the assumption that we're bringing back most of Ernies kids? Because assuming we let most of them walk we should have the salary to sign him outright. Yea, you're gutting your bench, but most minimum contracts perform at a similar level as those guys anyway.

Agreed that Melo at 20+ mil is dumb though

keynote · Post #1446 » by **keynote** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:23 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/436521187527512064[/tweet]

Dark Faze · Post #1447 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:26 pm

the fact that we didn't pick Noel hurts really bad reading this stuff and seeing how the SF rotation has worked out

and worst part is none of it is even Ottos fault, just terrible GM work

verbal8 · Post #1448 » by **verbal8** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:33 pm

keynote wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/436521187527512064[/tweet]

Interesting. I wonder if the Hawes deal is part of a Deng deal? It would make sense for Philly to take expirings and 2nds and send out Hawes.

jivelikenice · Post #1449 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:34 pm

keynote wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/436521187527512064[/tweet]

I thought I read last summer that Cleveland had interest in Webster...Maybe?

Nivek · Post #1450 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:35 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
Nivek wrote:I agree he's better at PF than SF. I still wouldn't want him at the price he'd command/demand. And, he'd have to take a significant pay cut to sign with the Wizards as a free agent. The most the Wiz could offer would be ~$16 million. His max (if he signs as a free agent) would be roughly $20.6 million. He'd get $23.3 million by playing out the last year of his contract.

Or, he could sign an extension with the Knicks (or via sign and trade with another team), which would use that $23.3 million as basically the starting point on a new contract with 7.5% raises.

Carmelo would have to leave tens of millions on the table to come to Washington. Or, he'd have to come in a trade, in which case the Wiz would have to give up something to get him.

Doesn't seem like a realistic (or desirable) offseason target.

Are these numbers off the assumption that we're bringing back most of Ernies kids? Because assuming we let most of them walk we should have the salary to sign him outright. Yea, you're gutting your bench, but most minimum contracts perform at a similar level as those guys anyway.

Agreed that Melo at 20+ mil is dumb though

No. It assumes none of the Ernie dreck comes back. If they jettison all the Ernie kids (including Booker), and renounce Ariza and Gortat, they'd have roughly $16-17 million in cap space, depending on where the cap ends up. I'm estimating it'll land about $62.9 million, which would mean they'd have a maximum of $16.9 million in cap room.

So, the maximum deal they could give Carmelo (as a free agent) would be 4 years and $72.4 million. If Carmelo signs an extension with the Knicks, he'd get $103.7 million over the same 4 years. He'd be leaving $31.3 million on the table. I just can't see him doing that.

I've heard "reports" suggesting he might be willing to take less than the maximum. How much less? That'd be important to know. Would he be willing to take that amount less to play for the Wizards? Open question. And all this before we get to the issue of whether he's worth it or not. My salary formula suggests he's worth about $15.26 million this season. That's a substantial player, but still well short of the $21.7 million he's getting this season, the $23.3 million he's owed next season, and the $25.9 million per year he could be getting if he re-signs with the Knicks.

Dark Faze · Post #1451 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:35 pm

Deng as a rental for Web would be beneficial in terms of freeing up salary if we let him walk in the off-season

Porters development is such a non thing this year though, it's so depressing

jivelikenice · Post #1452 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:36 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:two second round picks for Hawes?

dammit Ernie do something

this is terrible

Wait................that was it for Hawes??? WTF Cmon Ernie

'Turner's definitely next, they got the Hawes deal done too early

Webster/expiring/#2 for Turner?

keynote · Post #1453 » by **keynote** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Deng is fine -- I'd be more comfortable re-upping him than I would "Contract Year Ariza" -- but I can't imagine that we'd be willing to give up much of anything to get him. If Ariza+Ernie Kid gets it done, sure. But that's not going to get it done.

If CLE moves him, they're gonna have to try to recoup some of those long-term assets they gave up to get him.

keynote · Post #1454 » by **keynote** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:39 pm

Anyway, if we trade to *acquire* a SF today (without sending two back), I'll eat a bug.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #1455 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:40 pm

Every game that passes that Kendall Marshall plays a little bit of me dies...

MikeTheKid · Post #1456 » by **MikeTheKid** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:41 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/436522341980721152[/tweet]

AFM · Post #1457 » by **AFM** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Ariza for Deng or what? Deng makes 14M. Hard to make salaries match unless we throw a lot of players at them or they take Nene

Dark Faze · Post #1458 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:45 pm

A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

oh god

we're going to trade Porter for him aren't we?

Nivek · Post #1459 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:46 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:two second round picks for Hawes?

dammit Ernie do something

this is terrible

Wait................that was it for Hawes??? WTF Cmon Ernie

'Turner's definitely next, they got the Hawes deal done too early

Webster/expiring/#2 for Turner?

Webster is better than Turner. No.

Nivek · Post #1460 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:48 pm

Dark Faze wrote:A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

Webster, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton for Deng would work. It would push the Wizards a shade into the luxury tax, though. Could add in Harrington to fix that.