Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[dckingsfan]

Hey Ruz, I think that goes for Webster too? And over/under that Blair comes to camp in shape?

Sure - though I suppose there's a little hope against hope that Webster will somehow regain a step. And Blair's got a slightly better chance to be in shape than Michael Sweetney. Speaking of G-town fatties, if Joshua Smith would lose 50 lbs or so, I bet he could play in the NBA. If we had a legit minor league, I'd try to get players like him for it - hoping he'd eventually get that 14th or 15th spot on the NBA roster.

And more things that would probably never happen - each team has a D League affiliate - draft goes 3 deep. Some of the CBA funds that league. How fun would that be

[Ruzious]

Blair had 5 productive seasons before his one year of limited playing time for Randy Wittman.

The absence of Seraphin and a new season gives Blair another chance. Blair is a sub who should play 10-15 minutes each game. He's a very good offensive rebounder and a high IQ player. If he remains a Wizard I think Blair will have a bounce back year. I choose to believe the other 97% of his career minutes over recency based on very limited minutes.

In 2014-2015, Dejuan Blair played all of 180 minutes. In his career, he's played 6836 minutes. Last season represents UNDER three percent of data on a career. Assuming a 26-year old who should have fresh legs and all kinds of motivation in a contract year is finished does not make as much sense to me as it does to assume last season was an outlier.

So even under the BEST of circumstances, we're talking about a 10-15 minutes per game player - and that's assuming his knees aren't shot and that he's managed a way to get into shape - which he couldn't do last year. That doesn't sound very enticing.

[nate33]

Blair had 5 productive seasons before his one year of limited playing time for Randy Wittman.

The absence of Seraphin and a new season gives Blair another chance. Blair is a sub who should play 10-15 minutes each game. He's a very good offensive rebounder and a high IQ player. If he remains a Wizard I think Blair will have a bounce back year. I choose to believe the other 97% of his career minutes over recency based on very limited minutes.

In 2014-2015, Dejuan Blair played all of 180 minutes. In his career, he's played 6836 minutes. Last season represents UNDER three percent of data on a career. Assuming a 26-year old who should have fresh legs and all kinds of motivation in a contract year is finished does not make as much sense to me as it does to assume last season was an outlier.

So even under the BEST of circumstances, we're talking about a 10-15 minutes per game player - and that's assuming his knees aren't shot and that he's managed a way to get into shape - which he couldn't do last year. That doesn't sound very enticing.

It sounds pretty enticing for me given that we're only paying the man $2M. I'd love to have the old Blair at $2M a year.

However, I suspect that in a best-case scenario, Blair still won't be able to give us 15 minutes a night because we're going with a 4-out offense. Given his complete lack of a jump shot, the only position he can play is center and we already have two guys who are way better. I'm just hoping Blair can give us a quality 15 minutes a night for the 30 games that Nene is likely to miss.

[Ruzious]

But the real world question is - If you're a GM, do you depend on Blair for anything? And the answer is NO. That's why he was available so cheaply BEFORE his awful season.

Given that, I'd much rather go for a young player with some upside higher than a potential 15 minute a game 6'6 center with career-threatening knee and weight problems. But that's just me.

[gambitx777]

But the real world question is - If you're a GM, do you depend on Blair for anything? And the answer is NO. That's why he was available so cheaply BEFORE his awful season.

Given that, I'd much rather go for a young player with some upside higher than a potential 15 minute a game 6'6 center with career-threatening knee and weight problems. But that's just me.

Yeah I would rather have jeff withy, But at the same time I would rather give a chance too Greg oden or Larry sanders over blair.

[Jay81]

morris?

[Ruzious]

morris?

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[verbal8]

morris?

His numbers look decent, but not sure if I would want to be locked into paying him $8 million. Maybe dealing Webster and an incentive, if it looks like Webster will be owed the full final year of his contract.

[LyricalRico]

morris?

His numbers look decent, but not sure if I would want to be locked into paying him $8 million. Maybe dealing Webster and an incentive, if it looks like Webster will be owed the full final year of his contract.

Yep, I'm really only interested in Morris if he can be had for Webster+filler. No firsts, though. Maybe we can work in Temple to Utah?

Wizards trade: Webster+Blair+Temple+2nd
Wizards receive: Morris

Jazz trade: Booker
Jazz receive: Temple+Blair

Suns trade: Morris
Suns receive: Webster+Booker+WAS 2nd

[payitforward]

morris?

His numbers look decent, but not sure if I would want to be locked into paying him $8 million. Maybe dealing Webster and an incentive, if it looks like Webster will be owed the full final year of his contract.

Yep, I'm really only interested in Morris if he can be had for Webster+filler. No firsts, though. Maybe we can work in Temple to Utah?

Wizards trade: Webster+Blair+Temple+2nd
Wizards receive: Morris

Jazz trade: Booker
Jazz receive: Temple+Blair

Suns trade: Morris
Suns receive: Webster+Booker+WAS 2nd

At the risk of making Dat apoplectic, I'd rather have Booker back than have Morris. And, at the risk of making *everybody* apoplectic (!what fun!), I also don't want to unload Garrett Temple, who is a terrific bargain at his salary. Finally, you know I don't want to give away R2 picks.

So I guess I don't like this proposed trade, huh?

[pancakes3]

Where are all the DMC trade packages?

[J-Ves]

Where are all the DMC trade packages?

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

[WallToWall]

Where are all the DMC trade packages?

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

yah, thats justa tad high.
DMC is a bit of a head case and most GMs, coaches, players know it. That reduces his value to Nene + Temple + protected 1st kind of level.

[thricethefun]

Where are all the DMC trade packages?

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

yah, thats justa tad high.
DMC is a bit of a head case and most GMs, coaches, players know it. That reduces his value to Nene + Temple + protected 1st kind of level.

The Lakers offered the #2 overall pick, 2 more first rounders, Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle this summer...

[manifested]

Where are all the DMC trade packages?

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

yah, thats justa tad high.
DMC is a bit of a head case and most GMs, coaches, players know it. That reduces his value to Nene + Temple + protected 1st kind of level.

His talent is through the roof though and his contract is very reasonable given the cap situation.

If the Kings are bad, all the more reason to let him accumulate stats on a bad team and trade him next year when there will be a bunch of teams who come up empty in Free Agency. A trade for DMC will look pretty enticing to the teams who come up short in the Durant, Horford sweepstakes.

[Ruzious]

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

yah, thats justa tad high.
DMC is a bit of a head case and most GMs, coaches, players know it. That reduces his value to Nene + Temple + protected 1st kind of level.

The Lakers offered the #2 overall pick, 2 more first rounders, Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle this summer...

Whoa, that's more than Milwaukee got for Lew Alcindor.

[LyricalRico]

As of today, the Wiz could offer every asset not named Wall for DMC and Kings say no. Come mid-season when the Kings are once again bad and looking to re-build, maybe Beal, Oubre, Gortat, 1st gets it done. Maybe.

yah, thats justa tad high.
DMC is a bit of a head case and most GMs, coaches, players know it. That reduces his value to Nene + Temple + protected 1st kind of level.

The Lakers offered the #2 overall pick, 2 more first rounders, Jordan Clarkson and Julius Randle this summer...

Was that offer ever confirmed or just rumored? From what I recall, it was Randle+#2 and LA was balking at including Clarkson.

If it was a real offer, then both team are fools - LA for offering it and Sacto for turning it down.

[WizTom]

Cousins may be difficult, but he's been individually great while surrounded by a buffet of basketball ineptitude since he was 19 years old. I would still try to get him. Even though the Wiz ain't exactly the fine dining version of basketball aptitude.

And really, wouldn't Gortat, Beal, Oubre and a future first be about the same as that LA offer? Maybe you have to add another first rounder, but it's close. You can't even be sure to get 2 legit starters with Julius Randle and 2 or 3 first rounders. I would also insist on McLemore, too, even if it cost another pick.

Wall, DMC, then KD2DC the following year... Ah, never mind.

[Ruzious]

Cousins may be difficult, but he's been individually great while surrounded by a buffet of basketball ineptitude since he was 19 years old. I would still try to get him. Even though the Wiz ain't exactly the fine dining version of basketball aptitude.

And really, wouldn't Gortat, Beal, Oubre and a future first be about the same as that LA offer? Maybe you have to add another first rounder, but it's close. You can't even be sure to get 2 legit starters with Julius Randle and 2 or 3 first rounders. I would also insist on McLemore, too, even if it cost another pick.

Wall, DMC, then KD2DC the following year... Ah, never mind.

I think Gortat, Beal, Porter and a 1st for Cousins and McLemore is fair. I put Porter in there instead of Oubre because Porter has a significantly higher salary - being a 3rd pick in the draft in his 3rd season - and it doesn't hurt that Durant has a connection with Oubre. That trade actually adds cap room for next year. That's a significant reason why Sac is such a good trading partner for us. But I do think we'd need a 3rd team in there to take Gortat and give a younger PF or high pick to Sacramento. Sacramento picked WCS and signed Koufas, and I don't see Gortat playing with either.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That's too much IMO, Ruzious. Take Porter out and replace with Webster, and then it's fair IMO.


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