Political Roundtable Part XVII

[dckingsfan]

In other words, HRC wasn't necessarily wrong when she coined the term "Deplorable".

No - but in large part she STUPIDLY LOST THE ELECTION TO TRUMP because of it...

And gtn/pointgod have made the argument that if you don't vote D you are racist. And those comments further disenfranchise independents from the Ds - the big tent gets really small.

Eventually, the Ds have to attract voters because of good policy and not because the other side sucks.

I don't think gtn/pointgod think EVERYONE who votes republican are racist.

But with that being said, I think they have difficulty fathoming how someone could ignore/excuse the dog whistles and race baiting that seems to be standard operating procedure for that party....at least far back as Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

They went farther... they implied/posted that if you are independent you a racist as well.

[stilldropin20]

Trump hopped on-board an economic recovery started under Obama and he continues to ride it. However, there is no denying that there has been a Trump Effect in the stock market, and with certain companies giving bonuses and planning expansion, you can't deny it.
The flip-side is the Republicans have done nothing on health care, drug prices, & infrastructure.

do you think it is significant that the stock market was already nearly at 15,000 in 2008. and obama spent 6 trillion to get it to 18,000 in 2017?

I repeat 6 trillion!

is it significant that Trump has spent nothing!!!!!! I repeat nothing! just optimism and better policy!!

is it significant virtually no CEO mentioned any policy of Obama as to why they are investing in any given area...and 172 companies (164 last week) have mentioned billion dollar investments/bonuses/pay raises into the american people and the american economy and specifically mention the trump tax plan?? Is this significant??

is it significant that Obama average unemployment levels of 8% as high as 12%?

Where Trump has us at 4%

Is it significant consumer confidence in american economy was at historic lows under obama and entering historic high under trump?

I mean CNN never ever ever ever ever ever ever talks about the economy in any way shape or form. Ever. that should tell you all you need to know.

For 3 days straight now CNN has talked about Trump "considering" firing mueller. and frankly trump has already fired over 10 major dept heads. and another half dozen have already left. he did NOT fire him. He considered it. And thats all they talked about for 3 straight days.

Any how. on the economy. This isn't close. Obama was certainly "more polished." More poised. Obama had his strengths. The economy was NOT one of them. And I would argue that this is the most important thing a president can influence. the economy.

If this was basketball. Obama is the micheal jordan of personalities. great in front of the camera jerk behind it and no one knows about because the media wont tell you about it. Trump is the larry bird. He doesn't care what you think of him. he is just trying to win. In terms of the economy, Trump is micheal jordan and Obama is marcin Gortat...completely lost compared to MJ.

[verbal8]

I think this is where we are 100% in agreement (I think). The Ds have moved left, the Rs have moved right (faster) and the population is still moderately conservative in the middle.

And to fix our problems - we need a paradigm shift of some sort - how it stands just isn't working.

I agree but also there is a need to take a position!
It is easy choice follow the Republican path which is further to the right with frankly less liberty for the populous and more control by a ruling elite! The other option is to follow the model of most social democracies especially the 4 English speaking ones. I think a choice is obvious!

See this is the thoughtful posting that was missing while you were gone. I’m of the opinion that the US has to choose a direction. Either keep Democrats in power for 2 decades or keep Republicans in power for 2 decades. All the back and forth is like a see saw. Obama had to clean up Bush’s mess, then Trump comes in and undoes everything Obama does then the next Democratic President is going to reverse what Trump has done. And so on and so forth.

I think there is a significant and important part of the electorate that sees this as a good thing.

It isn't even in theory a bad thing. If Republican governments were making the government smaller and more efficient and Democrat led governments were expanding government during their time in power, it would end up with overall a pretty balanced approach to government.

However in practice the Republicans(at least recently) have focused on weakening the government vs making a smaller better one. Also most benefit cuts are focused on the "undeserving other" vs a sustainable benefit programs for everyone.
Recently the Democrats haven't been perfect but they have in general been reasonable and attempted to match campaign promises. There may have been some overreach on social issues vs what the country was ready to support. However that seems the best path to longer term progress in those areas.

[Wizardspride]

No - but in large part she STUPIDLY LOST THE ELECTION TO TRUMP because of it...

And gtn/pointgod have made the argument that if you don't vote D you are racist. And those comments further disenfranchise independents from the Ds - the big tent gets really small.

Eventually, the Ds have to attract voters because of good policy and not because the other side sucks.

I don't think gtn/pointgod think EVERYONE who votes republican are racist.

But with that being said, I think they have difficulty fathoming how someone could ignore/excuse the dog whistles and race baiting that seems to be standard operating procedure for that party....at least far back as Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

They went farther... they implied/posted that if you are independent you a racist as well.

Ok. I hate to speak for them...especially without seeing what they specifically said..but I'm going to anyway lol.

They probably feel that being an independent (I mean a genuine independent) in this political climate is unacceptable. And I agree.

It's why I dislike so many Sanders supporters. Many of them **** about Trump but kept their butts home on election day because HRC was just like him.

Yeah...how's that working out for us now?

Time to choose a side.

[verbal8]

If Trump the politician is a basketball player it is Nick Young. Potential but the result is so much less. He would not be a Star let alone HOF player for the simple fact he doesn't put in the effort to be anything more than the results of luck and a little natural talent.

BTW I don't mean to imply that Nick Young the person is anything like Trump in being a horrible person.

[nate33]

If this was basketball. Obama is the micheal jordan of personalities. great in front of the camera jerk behind it and no one knows about because the media wont tell you about it. Trump is the larry bird. He doesn't care what you think of him. he is just trying to win.

That's actually a great analogy!

[Pointgod]

No - but in large part she STUPIDLY LOST THE ELECTION TO TRUMP because of it...

And gtn/pointgod have made the argument that if you don't vote D you are racist. And those comments further disenfranchise independents from the Ds - the big tent gets really small.

Eventually, the Ds have to attract voters because of good policy and not because the other side sucks.

I don't think gtn/pointgod think EVERYONE who votes republican are racist.

But with that being said, I think they have difficulty fathoming how someone could ignore/excuse the dog whistles and race baiting that seems to be standard operating procedure for that party....at least far back as Nixon's "Southern Strategy".

They went farther... they implied/posted that if you are independent you a racist as well.

Please dig up that post.

[cammac]

If this was basketball. Obama is the micheal jordan of personalities. great in front of the camera jerk behind it and no one knows about because the media wont tell you about it. Trump is the larry bird. He doesn't care what you think of him. he is just trying to win.

That's actually a great analogy!

Trump more like the Harrison Brothers all hype & no game.
Very lazy intellectual analysis I'm sure Larry Bird is very insulted.

[nate33]

If Trump the politician is a basketball player it is Nick Young. Potential but the result is so much less. He would not be a Star let alone HOF player for the simple fact he doesn't put in the effort to be anything more than the results of luck and a little natural talent.

BTW I don't mean to imply that Nick Young the person is anything like Trump in being a horrible person.

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this - that Trump is somehow lazy and hasn't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

[Wizardspride]

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[cammac]

If Trump the politician is a basketball player it is Nick Young. Potential but the result is so much less. He would not be a Star let alone HOF player for the simple fact he doesn't put in the effort to be anything more than the results of luck and a little natural talent.

BTW I don't mean to imply that Nick Young the person is anything like Trump in being a horrible person.

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this, that Trump is somehow lazy and can't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
That benefits the top 1% of society and revamped the corporate tax code without eliminating gigantic loopholes. At the same time he will drastically increase the deficit.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
A large number of those judges are unqualified and are not independent and do not represent American values.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
Think you can give credit to Mitch McConnell frankly what the Supreme Court needs is ideologue's from either side but jurists of reason who can interpret the change in societal views not narrow interpretations from a 16th Century code of governance.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Yes wonderful the only country in the world who rejects the science and all science period except the flat earth society & creationism BRAVO
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
Obama deported more illegals in 2016 than Trump did in 2017. Plus he has caused an unnecessary crisis involving DACA which the vast majority of Americans approve.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
Where did you get those statistics?
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
Obama was defeating ISIS in Iraq and the Kurds were the force in Syria that was liberating people from ISIS. Please note he has sided with Turkey in assaults against Kurd Allies in Syria. Job well done.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
I realize that the USA needs immigration reform but his blatant attempts to satisfy White Nationalist are unacceptable. His latest bring Norwegians to the USA was such a silly statement more Americans go to Norway than come to USA.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
That's nice but old axiom says what goes up comes down. The markets were already strong before Trump.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.
Where was the job creation for minorities and in which sectors.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)
The most unpopular President in American History since polling started. Yes absolutely no consensus between the parties not a good thing even rejecting efforts by bipartisan agreements in the Senate. Plus you haven't mentioned the abject failure in defeating Obamacare. The gutting of the EPA and environmental laws , creating a war on science. Promotion of dirty energy and on and on!

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

[stilldropin20]

If Trump the politician is a basketball player it is Nick Young. Potential but the result is so much less. He would not be a Star let alone HOF player for the simple fact he doesn't put in the effort to be anything more than the results of luck and a little natural talent.

BTW I don't mean to imply that Nick Young the person is anything like Trump in being a horrible person.

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this - that Trump is somehow lazy and hasn't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

It only took him one year and he is already the goat president of the modern era.

In. 1. Single. Year.

It's amazing how much he has accomplished.

I'll add to your list:

1. the massive influx of cash. trillions from overseas.
2. Once stagnant rate wages are increasing rapidly. And without wage legislation I might add.
3. Our money supply is flush with cash. any small business can get a loan right now to grow.

And perhaps most importantly he might have changed politics forever. For f****** ever!!

This man-made campaign pledges to the American people for 18 straight months then once he got elected to office he set out to fulfill each and every single one of those campaign pledges. Simple concept. But no American politician has ever done this they don't have the political backbone or will to see their campaign pledges through. And this crazy m*********** is doing it. Wow!!!!

Goat president of the modern era. Hands down. he changed everything. Forever.

Whether you like the language he uses or the language in his policies or what his policies look like on the surface. Whether you like that or not. They are working for you. for all of you. they are working for the entire American people. Equally and fairly.

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[stilldropin20]

Let me say something. And this may run you wrong cuz everyone thinks they are the smartest and the hardest working. But When the( real)smartest and hardest working people in the room are impressed ...you should pause. you should pause for a second . stop everything. and completely rethink whatever it is that doesn't agree with the smartest hardest working people in the room. And ask yourself what am I missing?

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[nate33]

If Trump the politician is a basketball player it is Nick Young. Potential but the result is so much less. He would not be a Star let alone HOF player for the simple fact he doesn't put in the effort to be anything more than the results of luck and a little natural talent.

BTW I don't mean to imply that Nick Young the person is anything like Trump in being a horrible person.

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this, that Trump is somehow lazy and can't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
That benefits the top 1% of society and revamped the corporate tax code without eliminating gigantic loopholes. At the same time he will drastically increase the deficit.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
A large number of those judges are unqualified and are not independent and do not represent American values.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
Think you can give credit to Mitch McConnell frankly what the Supreme Court needs is ideologue's from either side but jurists of reason who can interpret the change in societal views not narrow interpretations from a 16th Century code of governance.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Yes wonderful the only country in the world who rejects the science and all science period except the flat earth society & creationism BRAVO
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
Obama deported more illegals in 2016 than Trump did in 2017. Plus he has caused an unnecessary crisis involving DACA which the vast majority of Americans approve.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
Where did you get those statistics?
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
Obama was defeating ISIS in Iraq and the Kurds were the force in Syria that was liberating people from ISIS. Please note he has sided with Turkey in assaults against Kurd Allies in Syria. Job well done.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
I realize that the USA needs immigration reform but his blatant attempts to satisfy White Nationalist are unacceptable. His latest bring Norwegians to the USA was such a silly statement more Americans go to Norway than come to USA.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
That's nice but old axiom says what goes up comes down. The markets were already strong before Trump.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.
Where was the job creation for minorities and in which sectors.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)
The most unpopular President in American History since polling started. Yes absolutely no consensus between the parties not a good thing even rejecting efforts by bipartisan agreements in the Senate. Plus you haven't mentioned the abject failure in defeating Obamacare. The gutting of the EPA and environmental laws , creating a war on science. Promotion of dirty energy and on and on!

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

You are wrong on nearly every one of your points, but there's no point in arguing with you. You are an ideologue.

My point still stands. Trump has accomplished a hell of a lot. I get that you think these accomplishments are in the wrong direction. Indeed, I consider it a good thing that you disagree with them.

[stilldropin20]

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this, that Trump is somehow lazy and can't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
That benefits the top 1% of society and revamped the corporate tax code without eliminating gigantic loopholes. At the same time he will drastically increase the deficit.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
A large number of those judges are unqualified and are not independent and do not represent American values.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
Think you can give credit to Mitch McConnell frankly what the Supreme Court needs is ideologue's from either side but jurists of reason who can interpret the change in societal views not narrow interpretations from a 16th Century code of governance.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Yes wonderful the only country in the world who rejects the science and all science period except the flat earth society & creationism BRAVO
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
Obama deported more illegals in 2016 than Trump did in 2017. Plus he has caused an unnecessary crisis involving DACA which the vast majority of Americans approve.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
Where did you get those statistics?
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
Obama was defeating ISIS in Iraq and the Kurds were the force in Syria that was liberating people from ISIS. Please note he has sided with Turkey in assaults against Kurd Allies in Syria. Job well done.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
I realize that the USA needs immigration reform but his blatant attempts to satisfy White Nationalist are unacceptable. His latest bring Norwegians to the USA was such a silly statement more Americans go to Norway than come to USA.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
That's nice but old axiom says what goes up comes down. The markets were already strong before Trump.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.
Where was the job creation for minorities and in which sectors.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)
The most unpopular President in American History since polling started. Yes absolutely no consensus between the parties not a good thing even rejecting efforts by bipartisan agreements in the Senate. Plus you haven't mentioned the abject failure in defeating Obamacare. The gutting of the EPA and environmental laws , creating a war on science. Promotion of dirty energy and on and on!

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

You are wrong on nearly every one of your points, but there's no point in arguing with you. You are an ideologue.

My point still stands. Trump has accomplished a hell of a lot. I get that you think these accomplishments are in the wrong direction. Indeed, I consider it a good thing that you disagree with them.

Indeed. He is a canadian. what's next? Steve Kerr and Popovich should get their coaching advice Scott Brooks.

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[cammac]

I'm genuinely befuddled as to why people continue to believe this, that Trump is somehow lazy and can't meet his potential. We have just witnessed the most improbably presidential election win followed by the most consequential first year of a presidency in modern history.

In 1 year, Trump has:
- enacted a radical change to the tax code.
That benefits the top 1% of society and revamped the corporate tax code without eliminating gigantic loopholes. At the same time he will drastically increase the deficit.
- appointed more appellate court judges by a first year president in history.
A large number of those judges are unqualified and are not independent and do not represent American values.
- appointed a Supreme Court justice who should pan out to be a conservative ideologue like Scalia.
Think you can give credit to Mitch McConnell frankly what the Supreme Court needs is ideologue's from either side but jurists of reason who can interpret the change in societal views not narrow interpretations from a 16th Century code of governance.
- pulled out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Yes wonderful the only country in the world who rejects the science and all science period except the flat earth society & creationism BRAVO
- Instigated such a change in border enforcement that illegals are hardly even trying to cross the border anymore.
Obama deported more illegals in 2016 than Trump did in 2017. Plus he has caused an unnecessary crisis involving DACA which the vast majority of Americans approve.
- Cut the influx of refugees from an average of 5000 per month to about 800 per month, and 84% reduction.
Where did you get those statistics?
- Oversaw strategic changes in Syria that has largely ended the war and routed ISIS.
Obama was defeating ISIS in Iraq and the Kurds were the force in Syria that was liberating people from ISIS. Please note he has sided with Turkey in assaults against Kurd Allies in Syria. Job well done.
- Shifted the Overton Window on immigration so far that we are now talking about ending chain migration and the visa lottery.
I realize that the USA needs immigration reform but his blatant attempts to satisfy White Nationalist are unacceptable. His latest bring Norwegians to the USA was such a silly statement more Americans go to Norway than come to USA.
- Driven the trust and approval ratings of the mainstream media into the ground.
- Oversaw a 44% surge in the stock market.
That's nice but old axiom says what goes up comes down. The markets were already strong before Trump.
- Oversaw the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics in history.
Where was the job creation for minorities and in which sectors.

And he did it with no help from Democrats, an unbelievably hostile media, a collusion witch hunt, and a lot of resistance from establishment Republicans. (Those Republicans have now fallen in line and things should get easier.)
The most unpopular President in American History since polling started. Yes absolutely no consensus between the parties not a good thing even rejecting efforts by bipartisan agreements in the Senate. Plus you haven't mentioned the abject failure in defeating Obamacare. The gutting of the EPA and environmental laws , creating a war on science. Promotion of dirty energy and on and on!

You can disagree with the outcome, and you can credit some of the economic growth to Obama, but to argue that Trump has somehow underachieved seems really bizarre to me.

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

You are wrong on nearly every one of your points, but there's no point in arguing with you. You are an ideologue.

My point still stands. Trump has accomplished a hell of a lot. I get that you think these accomplishments are in the wrong direction. Indeed, I consider it a good thing that you disagree with them.

While they do make the threshold of accomplishments!
noun
1.
an act or instance of carrying into effect; fulfillment:
the accomplishment of our desires.
2.
something done admirably or creditably:
Space exploration is a major accomplishment of science.
3.
anything accomplished; deed; achievement:
a career measured in a series of small accomplishments.
4.
Often, accomplishments.
a grace, skill, or knowledge expected in polite society.
any acquired ability or knowledge.
The vast majority of humanity would not consider them in the positive realm. But again totally in line with both your and SD20's myopic view of the world.

[stilldropin20]

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

You are wrong on nearly every one of your points, but there's no point in arguing with you. You are an ideologue.

My point still stands. Trump has accomplished a hell of a lot. I get that you think these accomplishments are in the wrong direction. Indeed, I consider it a good thing that you disagree with them.

Indeed. He is a canadian. what's next? Steve Kerr and Popovich should get their coaching advice Scott Brooks.

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Maybe Steph Curry and Durant should go back to playing isoball the way they did in OKC. Lol

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[stilldropin20]

All that and watching FOX news 6 hours a day!

You are wrong on nearly every one of your points, but there's no point in arguing with you. You are an ideologue.

My point still stands. Trump has accomplished a hell of a lot. I get that you think these accomplishments are in the wrong direction. Indeed, I consider it a good thing that you disagree with them.

While they do make the threshold of accomplishments!
noun
1.
an act or instance of carrying into effect; fulfillment:
the accomplishment of our desires.
2.
something done admirably or creditably:
Space exploration is a major accomplishment of science.
3.
anything accomplished; deed; achievement:
a career measured in a series of small accomplishments.
4.
Often, accomplishments.
a grace, skill, or knowledge expected in polite society.
any acquired ability or knowledge.
The vast majority of humanity would not consider them in the positive realm. But again totally in line with both your and SD20's myopic view of the world.

Are myopic view that the president of the United States should act in the best interest of the United States? Good to know

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[cammac]

SD20 the best you can do is I'm a Canadian.
Yes I am and I'm extremely proud to be called one!
Among the nations on earth we are one of the most highly respected and have consistently rated as one of the top 5 countries in the world.

[stilldropin20]

SD20 the best you can do is I'm a Canadian.
Yes I am and I'm extremely proud to be called one!
Among the nations on earth we are one of the most highly respected and have consistently rated as one of the top 5 countries in the world.

Exactly. And nothing wrong with that. Canada is more similar to the United States then it is different. And I like some of the things you point out about your corporate tax structure as well as your healthcare system has a lot to be desired. Certainly things the United States can look at and monitor and potentially even implement.

But we are a much larger economy than Canada and we have a much bigger International role in global economics then Canada does. In the United States middle has overseen the growth of global economies at the expense of our own middle class.

These Global economies did not just Sprout up out of the blue. It was indeed bad legislation on the part of the United States that encourage these Global economies to sprout up and they sprouted up at the expense of our own middle class.

Our politicians and our president have a responsibility to us. Way before a long before they have a responsibility to the global markets like Canada. And I'm not taking a shot at Canada at all as trade with Canada is a relatively fair and balanced.

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