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Post#1441 » by Dark Faze » Tue May 11, 2021 10:54 pm

https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/

Great article on Sam Hauser. I want him badly but have a hard time deciding a realistic draft spot without needing to overreach drastically. Obvious answer is buy a high second rounder, but it's just not something this organization does.
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Post#1442 » by NatP4 » Tue May 11, 2021 11:58 pm

Dark Faze wrote:https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/

Great article on Sam Hauser. I want him badly but have a hard time deciding a realistic draft spot without needing to overreach drastically. Obvious answer is buy a high second rounder, but it's just not something this organization does.


They bought a 2nd rounder in 2019 to waste it on Admiral Schofield.
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Post#1443 » by Ruzious » Wed May 12, 2021 2:09 pm

Dark Faze wrote:https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/

Great article on Sam Hauser. I want him badly but have a hard time deciding a realistic draft spot without needing to overreach drastically. Obvious answer is buy a high second rounder, but it's just not something this organization does.

I think it's weird how little respect he's getting in mocks - most don't even have him. He is old, but that also means he can contribute right away. He's so much like Kispert - who's a likely lotto pick. Hauser's just 1.3 years older.

Speaking of which, we haven't talked about it, but Kispert could very well be the Wiz first round pick. It would make so much more sense to buy a mid 2nd rounder and use it on Hawser than to use a lottery pick on Kispert.

And I have nothing against Kispert - he's going to help his teams win a lot of games. He's an amazing shooter - someone who makes 44% of his 3's, around 60% of his 2's, and he'll make about 90% of his FT's. But so will Hauser. And one thing to do when comparing Hauser's stats - consider UVA played at a very slow pace. You really want to compare his Per 100 possessions stats to other players. That's where you'll see he was a very good rebounder in college. His senior year, he got 13.1 rebounds per 100 possessions - compared to 8.4 for Kispert - which is actually fine for a 3.

Woj is saying Duncan Robinson is going to make a fortune as a free agent this offseason. I think both Kispert and Hauser will be better all-around players.
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Post#1444 » by pancakes3 » Wed May 12, 2021 3:34 pm

Yuck @ Hauser.
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Post#1445 » by Hibachi_0 » Wed May 12, 2021 3:39 pm

Ruzious wrote:Granted, he's played against good competition, but his offensive #'s aren't very good - doesn't score much, has more to's than assists, not a good 3 point shooter, 59% FTer, solid rebounder and shot-blocker - but nothing special. Is he big enough to defend NBA centers?


It's true that the offensive game is not one of his strengths. But I believe there is room to improve. His shot has been looking better lately and eventhough it's just eye-test I think he can develope into a good passer. In his favour, assists in Europe are counted different than in the NBA and the court is smaller.
He has had some good games in the Euroleague before being eliminated. He looked quite well in the series against Anadolu Efes, arguably the best team in Europe. Here is his best game of the series.

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On defense, I don't think there has ever been drafted any player this good at this stage of their careers coming from Europe. Maybe Ricky. He could develope into the perfect small ball center, making up his lack of height with positioning and intensity. His fit in the Wizards with either Bryant or Rui for some stretches should be very fun to watch.
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Post#1446 » by NatP4 » Thu May 13, 2021 2:24 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Yuck @ Hauser.


Hauser has Duncan Robinson written all over him. Great value play. NBA shooting and smarts. Probably ends up being a solid NBA defender.

I’d be all for that in round 2
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Post#1447 » by Ruzious » Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pm

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pancakes3 wrote:Yuck @ Hauser.


Hauser has Duncan Robinson written all over him. Great value play. NBA shooting and smarts. Probably ends up being a solid NBA defender.

I’d be all for that in round 2

And he can score in other ways - he's great at cutting to the basket. I just wish Hutchison had half his skills and touch. There's a shortage of 3's with those kinds of skills.
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Post#1448 » by Ruzious » Sat May 15, 2021 12:53 pm

Tommy's probably licking his chops after Sengun's game yesterday - 7/12 from the field, 8/11 at the line, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks in a 2 point win. He did have 7 to's though. Still 18 years old.
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Post#1449 » by pcbothwel » Sat May 15, 2021 1:29 pm

Ruzious wrote:Tommy's probably licking his chops after Sengun's game yesterday - 7/12 from the field, 8/11 at the line, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks in a 2 point win. He did have 7 to's though. Still 18 years old.


He's going top 12, so we wont get him. The only reason he wont go top 6 is because his archetype hasnt proven successful deep in the playoffs.
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Post#1450 » by Ruzious » Sat May 15, 2021 2:19 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Tommy's probably licking his chops after Sengun's game yesterday - 7/12 from the field, 8/11 at the line, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks in a 2 point win. He did have 7 to's though. Still 18 years old.


He's going top 12, so we wont get him. The only reason he wont go top 6 is because his archetype hasnt proven successful deep in the playoffs.

If we don't get the play-in win, we might be picking 11th or 12th. I think you're right about the archetype knocking him down - though it'll be interesting to see how he measures and if he can get in great shape. He was a doughy 270 pounder as a 17 year old, got in much better shape for this season - losing 25 lbs, and can he get in even better shape for next season without losing more weight?
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Post#1451 » by Ruzious » Wed May 19, 2021 3:29 am

With it being so obvious that 3 point shooting is a huge need, I'm even more fixated on getting BOTH of the UVA forwards - Sam Hauser and Trey Murphy - in the 2nd round. Getting those 2 2nd rounders and picking them would be my top draft priority. Buy them.
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Post#1452 » by Ruzious » Wed May 19, 2021 3:02 pm

A small college player to keep an eye on:
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Near 7 footer who made 41 of 87 3's last season and compared physically and athletically to Giannis...

Don't pick him. Get him on his second or third contract.
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Post#1453 » by payitforward » Fri May 21, 2021 3:49 pm

(moved from a game thread...)

Ruzious wrote:
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gambitx777 wrote:We need another consistantly good player. Rui is a decent enough thrid guy but we need a 4th dude who can bring it every night far too often is Bertans cold.

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Trevion Williams?

Back in the day, he'd probably be a lottery pick. In today's NBA, he's considered the wrong archetype - a wide-bodied scorer/rebounder center without much shooting range who doesn't protect the rim.

True enough, but he'll definitely get a chance. Low cost, & he produced against high-level competition.
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Post#1454 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 21, 2021 4:13 pm

payitforward wrote:(moved from a game thread...)

Ruzious wrote:
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Trevion Williams?

Back in the day, he'd probably be a lottery pick. In today's NBA, he's considered the wrong archetype - a wide-bodied scorer/rebounder center without much shooting range who doesn't protect the rim.

True enough, but he'll definitely get a chance. Low cost, & he produced against high-level competition.

RUZIOUS IS RIGHT... but I see RoLo is using a sky hook. Back in the day is fundamentally relevant IMO. It's gonna come back around. I think Trevion Williams has got some of all these players: Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Julius Randle, and Ben Coleman (I think I stole that from Ruz)

What really piqued my interest: https://www.si.com/college/purdue/basketball/purdue-forward-trevion-williams-declares-for-nba-draft

Williams started 26 games and appeared in 28 for Purdue last season while leading the team with 15.5 points per game and 9.1 rebounds per game.

He also tallied 2.3 assists per game, making him one of six players across the country to average 15 points, nine rebounds and two assists per game. Williams was the only high-major player to do so.

Williams finished second in the Big Ten in rebounding and ninth in scoring en route to being named first-team All-Big Ten last season. He was also one of five finalists for the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award, which is given to the nation's best collegiate center each year.


Trevion W is another Millsap, Boozer, Marquis Daniels, Kyle Korver type. I'm virtually certain this guy's underrated/undervalued and will slip too low in this draft.

Here's my other thought: HE CAN PASS!!! This guy is what we want Rui to be...a beast on the block. A badger/wolverine type (cuz, I have NO IDEA what a boilermaker is besides a drink).

I can foresee Williams splashing threes.

Last: He's been practicing against dudes 7'3" and 7'4" for many NCAA seasons. Trevion Williams SHOULD BE A LOTTERY PICK.

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Post#1455 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 21, 2021 4:15 pm

Wrong archetype? I think not ...
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Post#1456 » by DCZards » Fri May 21, 2021 5:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:With it being so obvious that 3 point shooting is a huge need, I'm even more fixated on getting BOTH of the UVA forwards - Sam Hauser and Trey Murphy - in the 2nd round. Getting those 2 2nd rounders and picking them would be my top draft priority. Buy them.

I’m totally down with the Zards drafting more 3pt shooting. I’m hoping Butler from Baylor is available when we draft in the early teens.
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Post#1457 » by Ruzious » Fri May 21, 2021 5:18 pm

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Ruzious wrote:With it being so obvious that 3 point shooting is a huge need, I'm even more fixated on getting BOTH of the UVA forwards - Sam Hauser and Trey Murphy - in the 2nd round. Getting those 2 2nd rounders and picking them would be my top draft priority. Buy them.

I’m totally down with the Zards drafting more 3pt shooting. I’m hoping Butler from Baylor is available when we draft in the early teens.

I think there's a little better than 50/50 chance Butler is there at 15. You almost can't go wrong with him. He's not going to be a star, but he will be a very solid all-around player with leadership qualities.
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Post#1458 » by Ruzious » Fri May 21, 2021 7:16 pm

So... we're picking 15th. Assuming we don't trade the pick and that we were never going to trade it even if we got #9, are we really worse off? NBAdraft.net has Wagner (Vogner) going 20th, Jared Butler 24th, Jaden Springer at 18, my fave Charles Bassey at 27th, Duarte 32nd, Petrusev 37th, Alperin Sengun at 33, talented Isaiah Todd at 40th, and doesn't even have these guys listed as being drafted: Neemias Queta and the 3 guys from UVA. The mock is probably bad, but there's still a lot of talent available for us.

Look at Wagner - an excellent modern defensive forward at 6'9, 220 who'd be a top 10 probability if not for his 3 point shooting dropping dramatically at the end of the season. But how he projects to the NBA is what matters. He's still just 19, but he had professional experience in Europe - where he shot 39.6% from 3 when he was considered a combo guard, and his FT shooting at Michigan was 83% both seasons. He has excellent shooting form, and his 3 point shooting should come around. The guy is a skilled player who averaged 3 assists to only 1.3 turnovers per game.
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Post#1459 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 21, 2021 8:02 pm

Ruzious wrote:A small college player to keep an eye on:
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Near 7 footer who made 41 of 87 3's last season and compared physically and athletically to Giannis...

Don't pick him. Get him on his second or third contract.

Now that the wizards are definitely the AC eighth seed I know how to approach this draft. The guy you mentioned above noted
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Post#1460 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri May 21, 2021 8:04 pm

Ruzious wrote:So... we're picking 15th. Assuming we don't trade the pick and that we were never going to trade it even if we got #9, are we really worse off? NBAdraft.net has Wagner (Vogner) going 20th, Jared Butler 24th, Jaden Springer at 18, my fave Charles Bassey at 27th, Duarte 32nd, Petrusev 37th, Alperin Sengun at 33, talented Isaiah Todd at 40th, and doesn't even have these guys listed as being drafted: Neemias Queta and the 3 guys from UVA. The mock is probably bad, but there's still a lot of talent available for us.

Look at Wagner - an excellent modern defensive forward at 6'9, 220 who'd be a top 10 probability if not for his 3 point shooting dropping dramatically at the end of the season. But how he projects to the NBA is what matters. He's still just 19, but he had professional experience in Europe - where he shot 39.6% from 3 when he was considered a combo guard, and his FT shooting at Michigan was 83% both seasons. He has excellent shooting form, and his 3 point shooting should come around. The guy is a skilled player who averaged 3 assists to only 1.3 turnovers per game.


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