Free Agents Thread

[miller31time]

I really don't want to throw a lot of money at either player. 10mil per year is too much for Batum and 5mil per year is too much for Green (unless he proves that he can consistently put up the numbers he averages this season AND with more minutes played).

I understand we have some room to make moves but every time I think about throwing the full MLE at a fringe starter, visions of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas haunt my dreams.

What exactly is to be gained by not spending the money? (Again, assuming we maintain enough cap space to go after a max free agent in 2013.)

Of course, having said that, there's also this to consider:

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Player         Age   TS%  eFG%  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PTS   PER
Danny Green     24  .557  .524  5.4  2.1  1.4  1.0  1.6  13.5  14.7
Cartier Martin  27  .602  .603  6.4  1.1  0.9  0.2  1.4  15.1  14.7

We can't overlook that Green has done it for 1339 minutes on an elite team while Martin for only 203 minutes on a bad team.

I have no problem with spending money. I do have a problem with either overspending or spending on unproven commodities. 1 reasonably average season by Danny Green doesn't qualify as MLE material to me.

[nate33]

I really don't want to throw a lot of money at either player. 10mil per year is too much for Batum and 5mil per year is too much for Green (unless he proves that he can consistently put up the numbers he averages this season AND with more minutes played).

I understand we have some room to make moves but every time I think about throwing the full MLE at a fringe starter, visions of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas haunt my dreams.

What exactly is to be gained by not spending the money? (Again, assuming we maintain enough cap space to go after a max free agent in 2013.)

Of course, having said that, there's also this to consider:

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Player         Age   TS%  eFG%  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PTS   PER
Danny Green     24  .557  .524  5.4  2.1  1.4  1.0  1.6  13.5  14.7
Cartier Martin  27  .602  .603  6.4  1.1  0.9  0.2  1.4  15.1  14.7

We can't overlook that Green has done it for 1339 minutes on an elite team while Martin for only 203 minutes on a bad team.

I have no problem with spending money. I do have a problem with either overspending or spending on unproven commodities. 1 reasonably average season by Danny Green doesn't qualify as MLE material to me.

Well, the going rate for fringe starters is typically the MLE.

[jivelikenice]

+1. Green seems like a serviceable guy and I would take him on a 1-yr deal but I wouldn't invest $4-5MM to him on a multi-year deal. Those contracts we handed out to Etan, Antonio Daniels, Songaila ended up being killers. If we sign someone to an MLE type deal, we have to know he is a fixture in the starting lineup.

[miller31time]

+1. Green seems like a serviceable guy and I would take him on a 1-yr deal but I wouldn't invest $4-5MM to him on a multi-year deal. Those contracts we handed out to Etan, Antonio Daniels, Songaila ended up being killers. If we sign someone to an MLE type deal, we have to know he is a fixture in the starting lineup.

This is more of what I'm getting at. I have no problem with a 1yr deal. It doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form.

If that's what you were talking about, Nate, then I agree with the gamble (because, honestly, it's not much of one).

My problem is signing an unproven commodity like Danny Green to a long-term MLE deal.

[pancakes3]

i think the purse-strings are going to be pretty tight in resigning danny green. i don't see him getting much more than courtney lee. he's definitely "get-able" for less than 5 imo.

[truwizfan4evr]

Should we go after Eric Gordon? Would anyone give him the money he may be asking for?

[Shorty]

+1. Green seems like a serviceable guy and I would take him on a 1-yr deal but I wouldn't invest $4-5MM to him on a multi-year deal. Those contracts we handed out to Etan, Antonio Daniels, Songaila ended up being killers. If we sign someone to an MLE type deal, we have to know he is a fixture in the starting lineup.

This is more of what I'm getting at. I have no problem with a 1yr deal. It doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form.

If that's what you were talking about, Nate, then I agree with the gamble (because, honestly, it's not much of one).

My problem is signing an unproven commodity like Danny Green to a long-term MLE deal.

Would it make sense to frontload a multi-year deal for a guy like that, and/or make the additional years a team option? That might make it easier to land him while preserving a bit more future cap flexibility.

[willbcocks]

Role-players are always going to look better on a good team like the spurs, and worse on a bad team like the Wizards. This is not the summer to commit money to role players. My opinion is that we should maintain flexibility this year and then if we can't sign a difference maker this summer or in early 2013, then we can start making smaller moves.

The trajectory I see the Wizards on is sniffing the playoffs but late lottery next year, then becoming a solid team the year after. That's when it makes more sense to bring in role players (but not just throw money away like the pistons or bucks).

[Ruzious]

I don't think signing Danny Green for 4 mil a year is going to take away much cap flexibility. This is the last year of tanking, so you're not likely going to do more than get by on minimum contract guys playing the 2. SA did an amazing job getting these cheap players, but remember they have a fall-back option by the name of Ginobili on the roster.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Anthony Randolph is playing very well and he's only 22 (will be 23 in July).

Depending on the price, he's a good prospect as a FA.

[7-Day Dray]

Should we go after Eric Gordon? Would anyone give him the money he may be asking for?

I'd offer him the max, but I just don't see anyway we get him. NO will match any offer.

[DallasShalDune]

While he's younger than Gil was, by a lot, should we offer someone so injury prone that much money?

Gil had a freak accident and never recovered, while Gordon has had a slew of injuries that are recoverable. He doesn't seem particularly durable, though.

[willbcocks]

I want us to stay away from Randolph. He is like McGee--puts up pretty good numbers, but doesn't do the little things that contribute to winning basketball. He's on his third team now. If the T-pups don't resign him, that would raise a lot of flags too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I want us to stay away from Randolph. He is like McGee--puts up pretty good numbers, but doesn't do the little things that contribute to winning basketball. He's on his third team now. If the T-pups don't resign him, that would raise a lot of flags too.

Yes, he is like Javale. He is also a year-and-a-half younger. Randolph seems to be a lot like Brandon Wright to me.

Some guys just take a while to get it.

[verbal8]

Anthony Randolph is playing very well and he's only 22 (will be 23 in July).

Depending on the price, he's a good prospect as a FA.

I think the talent is there and the price might be reasonable. On a per-minute basis he doesn't look terribly different from Zach Randolph at 22. However I think he would create a bit of a logjam at the 4/5. There already is Nene/Seraphin/Booker/Vesley and possibly Blatche. I think it really comes down to him being cheap enough to put on the bench when everyone is healthy.

[Jay81]

Lol CCJ posting on the bullets forever web page pleading for the wizards to call us Almond from D league after cutting Mason

[Ruzious]

Anthony Randolph is playing very well and he's only 22 (will be 23 in July).

Depending on the price, he's a good prospect as a FA.

I think the talent is there and the price might be reasonable. On a per-minute basis he doesn't look terribly different from Zach Randolph at 22. However I think he would create a bit of a logjam at the 4/5. There already is Nene/Seraphin/Booker/Vesley and possibly Blatche. I think it really comes down to him being cheap enough to put on the bench when everyone is healthy.

It's interesting that of the 3 very talented tweeners Minny has - Randolph, Beasley, and Derrick Williams - Randolf is now way ahead in both efficiency stats and PER. With Randolph and Beasley both RFA's (I think), Minny's got decisions to make - like, can any of them succeed at the 3.

Randolph his improved his efficiency and PER this season - even though his defensive rebounding fell way off. I'm not sure how they've used him. If they've used him at the 3, that's a good reason, and makes his other stats more impressive. He has a good mid-range jumper - if he could improve it out to 3 point range... Hey, if Ramon Sessions can become a quality 3 point shooter - after being a guy who's range used to be like ex-Bullet Darrell Walker, anything's possible.

[verbal8]

Randolph his improved his efficiency and PER this season - even though his defensive rebounding fell way off. I'm not sure how they've used him. If they've used him at the 3, that's a good reason, and makes his other stats more impressive. He has a good mid-range jumper - if he could improve it out to 3 point range... Hey, if Ramon Sessions can become a quality 3 point shooter - after being a guy who's range used to be like ex-Bullet Darrell Walker, anything's possible.

82games.com has him listed as playing at 4/5 this season(about an even split). Given the rest of the roster, I think the Wizards really need a 2/3 rather than a 3/4. If the Wizards amnesty Blatche and deal Booker for some help on the wing, then Randolph on a cheap deal would be a great acquisition.

[Ruzious]

Randolph his improved his efficiency and PER this season - even though his defensive rebounding fell way off. I'm not sure how they've used him. If they've used him at the 3, that's a good reason, and makes his other stats more impressive. He has a good mid-range jumper - if he could improve it out to 3 point range... Hey, if Ramon Sessions can become a quality 3 point shooter - after being a guy who's range used to be like ex-Bullet Darrell Walker, anything's possible.

82games.com has him listed as playing at 4/5 this season(about an even split). Given the rest of the roster, I think the Wizards really need a 2/3 rather than a 3/4. If the Wizards amnesty Blatche and deal Booker for some help on the wing, then Randolph on a cheap deal would be a great acquisition.

82games.com has been a bad source for what positions players play. I know with the Wiz - they've consistently screwed that up.

[verbal8]

82games.com has been a bad source for what positions players play. I know with the Wiz - they've consistently screwed that up.

Is there a good source?

Looking at box scores for his most recent games, it looks like he is playing with Beasley a good amount. If you had to assign them positions I would say Beasley is more a 3 and Randolph more a 4.