Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[eltacoman]

Man our Big Man Rotation is The best iv seen it since the beggining of this Century ..Kanter would add another style of play to our multi styled talented Bigman Group

Booker - Husler Energy fast Bigman
Blatche - lil of everything BIgman
Lewis - Long Range shooter Bigman
McGee - Tall Dunking Blocking Machine Bigman
Seriphin - Hard Screen setter Banger Bigman
Kanter - Rebounding Post scorer Bigman

Flip has Some Weapons right there to mess with opposing Coaches lineups

[jivelikenice]

^ And no one wants Blatche, either

we're gonna keep him until he proves his critics wrong and we can get something for him

teams don't want him cause they see what we see!

I think you still may be able to get something now. If you wait and if he shows up out of shape (again!) and depending on the new CBA, he may be even less attractive. For those expecting an attitude adjustment from Dray, you can wish for it but to expect it is very unrealistic and in all likelihood you're looking at status quo...The Skins hoped Haynesworth would change and we saw how that worked out....

You're also looking at Dray and his value alone, not the influence he has on this team. Dray will never accept being a role player on this team IMO. He has seniority and a feeling of entitlement and his play reflects that. He needs a change of scenary and so do we.

[jivelikenice]

BOOKER IS NOT A SF!!!! LOL!!!

The organization needs to quit trying to put him there, he doesn't have the skill set for it. He is a guy who loves to play in the post and get boards and putbacks.. he is useless on the perimeter... even if he improved his jumper this summer, he still would look awkard as hell out there on the wing

No disagreement with you there. He doesn't have the perimeter game to play the 3 and we're stunting his growth by playing him there.....

[fishercob]

News from Woj:

NEW YORK – The San Antonio Spurs are engaged in discussions about trading point guard Tony Parker(notes) to secure a high pick in Thursday’s draft, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

More From Adrian Wojnarowski

The Spurs have talked to teams in the lottery, including the Toronto Raptors and Sacramento Kings, who hold the fifth and seventh picks, respectively. The Kings are determined to get a frontline point guard, and have also talked with the Denver Nuggets about Raymond Felton(notes).

It’s unclear who the Spurs would prefer to take if they acquired a high lottery pick.

This could screw us if they want a big. It may force EG's hand into giving up 18.

[FAH1223]

^ And no one wants Blatche, either

we're gonna keep him until he proves his critics wrong and we can get something for him

teams don't want him cause they see what we see!

I think you still may be able to get something now. If you wait and if he shows up out of shape (again!) and depending on the new CBA, he may be even less attractive. For those expecting an attitude adjustment from Dray, you can wish for it but to expect it is very unrealistic and in all likelihood you're looking at status quo...The Skins hoped Haynesworth would change and we saw how that worked out....

You're also looking at Dray and his value alone, not the influence he has on this team. Dray will never accept being a role player on this team IMO. He has seniority and a feeling of entitlement and his play reflects that. He needs a change of scenary and so do we.

well, if he still doesn't get it, we'll get rid of him for peanuts next year

now isn't the time.. and perhaps if we did get Kanter it would force him and McGee to finally wisen the hell up

[nate33]

If the rumors are true that both Utah and Cleveland are considering a tradedown with Washington for the #6 + #18, we might be able to use that competition to our advantage. Assume the following are true:

1. Utah wants Knight
2. Cleveland wants Valanciunas
3. Everybody believes Toronto wants neither of the above.

When Utah sees WAS negotiate with CLE on a #6 + #18 for #4 trade, Utah thinks, "Hey, we can make the same deal and that way WE come away with Knight and the #18. So Washington makes the deal with Utah (to make absolutely certain that they get Kanter).

Now what does Cleveland do? They had it all set up so they get get Jonas and the #18, not they just get Jonas (at a higher salary). Would Cleveland call Ernie back up and offer the #4 for the #6 + #34 plus cash? It's still better than nothing.

My point is, with both teams competing for Washington's trade package, maybe it'll drive down the price to move up for Kanter.

[LyricalRico]

^ But nate, if all of that is true, why even make a deal? We know that neither of them wants Kanter. If we're not afraid of Toronto, then why not stand pat at 6 and wait for Kanter to fall? Are there any other teams rumored to be trading up for him?

[nate33]

On the recent Vesely debate:

Vesely has two high quality NBA skills. He can finish at the rim, and he moves well without the ball. Physically, he's long, athletic, and explosive. Someone mentioned that he could be like Marion. But the more I think about it, the more I think Vesely's skill set resemble those of another former Phoenix Sun... Amare Stoudamire.

Think about it. When Stoudamire was young, he hadn't developed his jumper yet. He was just a cutter who could catch and finish Nash's passes with authority. Like Vesely, Stoudamire was also a poor rebounder and a suspect defender. Nevertheless, he became significant offensive weapon almost immediately.

[nate33]

^ But nate, if all of that is true, why even make a deal? We know that neither of them wants Kanter. If we're not afraid of Toronto, then why not stand pat at 6 and wait for Kanter to fall? Are there any other teams rumored to be trading up for him?

Well, we don't know if Toronto wants Kanter.

I'd certainly sacrifice the #34 pick to eliminate the uncertainty. It's a complete no-brainer.

[LyricalRico]

^ But nate, if all of that is true, why even make a deal? We know that neither of them wants Kanter. If we're not afraid of Toronto, then why not stand pat at 6 and wait for Kanter to fall? Are there any other teams rumored to be trading up for him?

That's true, but we can't rule out Toronto completely.

I'd certainly sacrifice the #34 pick to eliminate the uncertainty. It's a complete no-brainer.

Oh definitely. If it only takes the 34, then take the deal and run.

[LyricalRico]

On the recent Vesely debate:

Vesely has two high quality NBA skills. He can finish at the rim, and he moves well without the ball. Physically, he's long, athletic, and explosive. Someone mentioned that he could be like Marion. But the more I think about it, the more I think Vesely's skill set resemble those of another former Phoenix Sun... Amare Stoudamire.

Think about it. When Stoudamire was young, he hadn't developed his jumper yet. He was just a cutter who could catch and finish Nash's passes with authority. Like Vesely, Stoudamire was also a poor rebounder and a suspect defender. Nevertheless, he became significant offensive weapon almost immediately.

I dunno, nate. I'd have to see a serious nasty streak out of Vesely to make that comparison. Not nasty as in super physical or dirty, but nasty as in wanting to jam the ball down everybody's throat when he gets into the lane. I haven't seen/read anything to make be expect that from Vesely.

[eltacoman]

If the rumors are true that both Utah and Cleveland are considering a tradedown with Washington for the #6 + #18, we might be able to use that competition to our advantage. Assume the following are true:

1. Utah wants Knight
2. Cleveland wants Valanciunas
3. Everybody believes Toronto wants neither of the above.

When Utah sees WAS negotiate with CLE on a #6 + #18 for #4 trade, Utah thinks, "Hey, we can make the same deal and that way WE come away with Knight and the #18. So Washington makes the deal with Utah (to make absolutely certain that they get Kanter).

Now what does Cleveland do? They had it all set up so they get get Jonas and the #18, not they just get Jonas (at a higher salary). Would Cleveland call Ernie back up and offer the #4 for the #6 + #34 plus cash? It's still better than nothing.

My point is, with both teams competing for Washington's trade package, maybe it'll drive down the price to move up for Kanter.

What if we agree to Buy Minnys pick 20th for them.... they have been rumored of wanting to sell it... They should give us Thumbs up with are good Trading History with them

6th + 20th for 4th

Ted spends some Cash but we keep our 18th and Get our Bigman

[Tyrone Messby]

I want whoever the Spurs want to try and trade up to get.

[FAH1223]

^ But nate, if all of that is true, why even make a deal? We know that neither of them wants Kanter. If we're not afraid of Toronto, then why not stand pat at 6 and wait for Kanter to fall? Are there any other teams rumored to be trading up for him?

CAUSE OF THIS, we ALL KNOW THE SPURS NEED FRONTLINE HELP WITH DUNCAN DECLINING

The Spurs have talked to teams in the lottery, including the Toronto Raptors and Sacramento Kings, who hold the fifth and seventh picks, respectively. The Kings are determined to get a frontline point guard, and have also talked with the Denver Nuggets about Raymond Felton

The San Antonio Spurs are engaged in discussions about trading point guard Tony Parker to secure a high pick in Thursday’s draft, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... aft_062111

[thinker07]

News from Woj:

NEW YORK – The San Antonio Spurs are engaged in discussions about trading point guard Tony Parker(notes) to secure a high pick in Thursday’s draft, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

More From Adrian Wojnarowski

The Spurs have talked to teams in the lottery, including the Toronto Raptors and Sacramento Kings, who hold the fifth and seventh picks, respectively. The Kings are determined to get a frontline point guard, and have also talked with the Denver Nuggets about Raymond Felton(notes).

It’s unclear who the Spurs would prefer to take if they acquired a high lottery pick.

This could screw us if they want a big. It may force EG's hand into giving up 18.

I don't know that anyone above us would like that deal - Cleveland has no place for Parker with them likely picking Irving and still carrying Baron Davis. Minnesota - Rubio. Utah - rebuilding. Cleveland again. Toronto - rebuilding and still owes Calderon 2 years and over $20 million. And who wants to take on Parker's remaining 3 years guaranteed at $12.5 million each?

[nate33]

I don't how Kanter plays PF unless your going to have McGee play that role for him defensively. Either way I'm skeptical. If McGee has a tendency to get lost when he's 5 feet from the basket, I shriek to imagine how lost he'd look 20 feet from the basket.

I'd see it as this:

PF Blatche (32 minutes) Booker (16 minutes)
CE McGee (28 minutes) Kanter (20 minutes)

The minutes breakdown might vary based on performance, injuries & foul trouble but going into training camp this is what my initial expectations would be.

I think that's the way it would go at first. I seriously doubt any rookie big man in this draft is good enough to displace either Blatche or McGee on Day 1 (with the possible exceptions of Williams). That said, I do think that McGee could guard PF's in a year or so as he continues to learn the game. And Kanter has PF skills on offense. The two could coexist just fine in the starting lineup in the future.

[Ruzious]

On the recent Vesely debate:

Vesely has two high quality NBA skills. He can finish at the rim, and he moves well without the ball. Physically, he's long, athletic, and explosive. Someone mentioned that he could be like Marion. But the more I think about it, the more I think Vesely's skill set resemble those of another former Phoenix Sun... Amare Stoudamire.

Think about it. When Stoudamire was young, he hadn't developed his jumper yet. He was just a cutter who could catch and finish Nash's passes with authority. Like Vesely, Stoudamire was also a poor rebounder and a suspect defender. Nevertheless, he became significant offensive weapon almost immediately.

That's like comparing Javale McGee to Wilt Chamberlain. Amare was not a cutter. He was a powerhouse as a 19 year old rookie. The explosive spin moves combined with his pure power and aggression made him effective right away. Vesely's a twig. He doesn't even begin to have that explosion or power.

[Jay81]

i sure hope Kanter dosent become the next Koncack or Klein

[nate33]

On the recent Vesely debate:

Vesely has two high quality NBA skills. He can finish at the rim, and he moves well without the ball. Physically, he's long, athletic, and explosive. Someone mentioned that he could be like Marion. But the more I think about it, the more I think Vesely's skill set resemble those of another former Phoenix Sun... Amare Stoudamire.

Think about it. When Stoudamire was young, he hadn't developed his jumper yet. He was just a cutter who could catch and finish Nash's passes with authority. Like Vesely, Stoudamire was also a poor rebounder and a suspect defender. Nevertheless, he became significant offensive weapon almost immediately.

That's like comparing Javale McGee to Wilt Chamberlain. Amare was not a cutter. He was a powerhouse as a 19 year old rookie. The explosive spin moves combined with his pure power and aggression made him effective right away. Vesely's a twig. He doesn't even begin to have that explosion or power.

I think Vesely does have the explosion. You are right that he lacks the power though. And I suppose it's questionable whether Vesely can maintain that explosion if he packs on another 15-20 pounds of muscle.

[sfam]

I don't how Kanter plays PF unless your going to have McGee play that role for him defensively. Either way I'm skeptical. If McGee has a tendency to get lost when he's 5 feet from the basket, I shriek to imagine how lost he'd look 20 feet from the basket.

I'd see it as this:

PF Blatche (32 minutes) Booker (16 minutes)
CE McGee (28 minutes) Kanter (20 minutes)

The minutes breakdown might vary based on performance, injuries & foul trouble but going into training camp this is what my initial expectations would be.

I think that's the way it would go at first. I seriously doubt any rookie big man in this draft is good enough to displace either Blatche or McGee on Day 1 (with the possible exceptions of Williams). That said, I do think that McGee could guard PF's in a year or so as he continues to learn the game. And Kanter has PF skills on offense. The two could coexist just fine in the starting lineup in the future.

I think on offense, Kanter is the PF and McGee is the center. On defense, this switches when you're talking about some of the heavyweight bigs or the fast moving PFs. I really like the pairing because both of them are so different. And I would actually expect Kanter to start taking minutes away from Blatche fairly early on...unless of course Blatche gets a complete personality change this offseason.