Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[sfam]

So, question,
If we package our 2 seconds to move up, either further up in the 2ed round or in the late first, who are we going after?

I heard Siva was well liked, Osby, but those two can be had with the picks that we have? So who would we be going after?

I doubt our 54th pick has any value to other teams. Maybe some cash would help.

Unlike the Wizards, some teams actually value these things. I'm guessing we could move up at least 4-5 spots in the 30s if we package them. I agree with you though that we aren't getting into the first round unless a team just wants to get rid of a guaranteed contract for salary cap reasons.

[Nivek]

In the measures I use for getting at strength of schedule, the top conferences this season (in order) were:

1. Big Ten
2. Big East
3. ACC
4. Pac 12
5. Big 12
6. Mountain West
7. SEC
8. A10
9. Missouri Valley
10. West Coast Conference

In my stuff, New Mexico's strength of schedule ranked around 40.

[Nivek]

I don't see it with Siva. He's a good athlete, but he's teeny. As a senior on a loaded team, he shot below 50% from 2pt range and below 30% from three. His assist numbers were kinda meh, but he committed a lot of turnovers. If he's there at 54, the Wizards could do worse. But there will be better prospects available at 38.

[popper]

So, question,
If we package our 2 seconds to move up, either further up in the 2ed round or in the late first, who are we going after?

I heard Siva was well liked, Osby, but those two can be had with the picks that we have? So who would we be going after?

I doubt our 54th pick has any value to other teams. Maybe some cash would help.

Unlike the Wizards, some teams actually value these things. I'm guessing we could move up at least 4-5 spots in the 30s if we package them. I agree with you though that we aren't getting into the first round unless a team just wants to get rid of a guaranteed contract for salary cap reasons.

I hope you are right sfam. If so, we'd have a good shot at Muscala.

[Dat2U]

I don't see it with Siva. He's a good athlete, but he's teeny. As a senior on a loaded team, he shot below 50% from 2pt range and below 30% from three. His assist numbers were kinda meh, but he committed a lot of turnovers. If he's there at 54, the Wizards could do worse. But there will be better prospects available at 38.

Agreed. I never saw Siva as an NBA prospect. I'm not sure he'd be a potential standout overseas either.

[sfam]

I doubt our 54th pick has any value to other teams. Maybe some cash would help.

Unlike the Wizards, some teams actually value these things. I'm guessing we could move up at least 4-5 spots in the 30s if we package them. I agree with you though that we aren't getting into the first round unless a team just wants to get rid of a guaranteed contract for salary cap reasons.

I hope you are right sfam. If so, we'd have a good shot at Muscala.

A Muscala/Porter draft would probably be a good day. Muscala would take a few years, but he's at least worth a try.

[pancakes3]

So, question,
If we package our 2 seconds to move up, either further up in the 2ed round or in the late first, who are we going after?

I heard Siva was well liked, Osby, but those two can be had with the picks that we have? So who would we be going after?

Personally I'm fine with staying put and drafting Erik Murphy but i know someone (Fish?) expressed interest in foreign Centers that may have been overlooked. There's a guy named Lucas from Brazil and a French guy named Jaiteh. I think Lucas is too much of a toothpick and shown too little at his age (20-21) to be an impact player but Jaiteh is a young 18 and has a better chance of reaching his potential. Plus Jaiteh has a better physical profile.

[GhostsOfGil]

Unlike the Wizards, some teams actually value these things. I'm guessing we could move up at least 4-5 spots in the 30s if we package them. I agree with you though that we aren't getting into the first round unless a team just wants to get rid of a guaranteed contract for salary cap reasons.

I hope you are right sfam. If so, we'd have a good shot at Muscala.

A Muscala/Porter draft would probably be a good day. Muscala would take a few years, but he's at least worth a try.

sfam you like Muscala over Adams?

[Dark Faze]

I'd love a Porter/Muscala/Seth Curry draft.

If we only want two rooks, move some pieces to move up and get Withey to go with Porter.

[Ruzious]

I'd love a Porter/Muscala/Seth Curry draft.

If we only want two rooks, move some pieces to move up and get Withey to go with Porter.

I like your thinking.

[sfam]

I hope you are right sfam. If so, we'd have a good shot at Muscala.

A Muscala/Porter draft would probably be a good day. Muscala would take a few years, but he's at least worth a try.

sfam you like Muscala over Adams?

I don't see Adams available in the late second round. No, I don't like Muscala over Adams, but I certainly don't like Adams over Porter, Bennett or Zeller, for instance.

[closg00]

ESPN's Bradford Doolittle's "YODA"

"(Each player's prospect score (PROS) is denoted in parenthesis. Any score more than 100 denotes a deserving top-10 pick. Late first-rounders and early second-rounders -- always a gray area -- rate in the 65-75 range. Players fall off the draft board at about 50.)"

1. Nerlens Noel, Kentucky (PROS: 124.2)
2. Cody Zeller, Indiana (122.3)
3. Ben McLemore, Kansas (119.5)
4. Alex Len, Maryland (118.3)
5. Anthony Bennett, UNLV (116.7)
6. Steven Adams, Pittsburgh (114.6)
7. Trey Burke, Michigan (110.1)
8. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse (107.3)
9. Otto Porter, Georgetown (107.0)
10. Victor Oladipo, Indiana (105.0)
11. C.J. McCollum, Lehigh (99.8)
12. Dennis Schroeder, Germany (98.8)
13. Sergey Karasev, Russia (96.6)
14. Jeff Withey, Kansas (90.7)
15. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville (87.3)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... ts-numbers

[sfam]

I'd love a Porter/Muscala/Seth Curry draft.

If we only want two rooks, move some pieces to move up and get Withey to go with Porter.

I like your thinking.

I doubt we have enough to get up to Withey, who will most likely go in the first round. What would we have to give to move from the #38 to #26-#30? I just don't see two seconds - one really late - getting it done.

[pancakes3]

Trading two 2nd rounders to move up 2-3 spots isn't worth it compared to just selling it or using it as filler in a trade. Withey isn't a "must-get" player. You can just as easily take a flyer out on Jaiteh, Muscala, or Colton Iverson and not be any worse for wear.

[payitforward]

FYI, looks like Peyton Siva had a positive meeting with the Wizards, or at least he thinks so:

http://www.wusa9.com/sports/article/262 ... -John-Wall

Siva wouldn't be a bad late second pick for us. He's never going to be a reliable scorer, but could become an Avery Bradley-type third guard.

I've missed a couple of days and over 10 screen-fuls(!), so someone has probably already said this, but...

I see no reason whatever to think Siva will be a successful NBA player, but I'm not worried about Ernie taking him at #54, where anyway you are very unlikely to get a good player. I'm worried about our genius of a GM, who puts no value on Round 2 picks and has said he doesn't want 3 rookies, picking him at #38 !! That would be no surprise and very depressing.

[nate33]

ESPN's Bradford Doolittle's "YODA"

"(Each player's prospect score (PROS) is denoted in parenthesis. Any score more than 100 denotes a deserving top-10 pick. Late first-rounders and early second-rounders -- always a gray area -- rate in the 65-75 range. Players fall off the draft board at about 50.)"

1. Nerlens Noel, Kentucky (PROS: 124.2)
2. Cody Zeller, Indiana (122.3)
3. Ben McLemore, Kansas (119.5)
4. Alex Len, Maryland (118.3)
5. Anthony Bennett, UNLV (116.7)
6. Steven Adams, Pittsburgh (114.6)
7. Trey Burke, Michigan (110.1)
8. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse (107.3)
9. Otto Porter, Georgetown (107.0)
10. Victor Oladipo, Indiana (105.0)
11. C.J. McCollum, Lehigh (99.8)
12. Dennis Schroeder, Germany (98.8)
13. Sergey Karasev, Russia (96.6)
14. Jeff Withey, Kansas (90.7)
15. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville (87.3)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... ts-numbers

Interesting stuff. It looks like he is weighting physical attributes pretty heavily since Len and Adams are higher than the considerably more productive Burke and Porter.

The really puzzling part is how he has Oladipo all the way down at 10. Dipo has great numbers and great athleticism. Most stat geek systems I've seen place Oladipo in the top 5, no matter what their method is.

[payitforward]

Stretch out Beal, and you basically have Porter. ..

I have fewer questions about Porter than any other player in this draft.

I'm in strong accord w/ both these statements.

[payitforward]

...
Bennett shot way better as a rookie than Porter did, so Porter being a better shooter is arguable.

But they are the same age basically with Porter being a little younger. So I wouldn't put any limitations on Porter improving his skill if you believe Bennett will improve as well.

Not to mention that the statement isn't true anyway. Their ts% and efg% were very close, and then Porter zoomed in 3 pt. shooting as a sophomore.

[tontoz]

ESPN's Bradford Doolittle's "YODA"

"(Each player's prospect score (PROS) is denoted in parenthesis. Any score more than 100 denotes a deserving top-10 pick. Late first-rounders and early second-rounders -- always a gray area -- rate in the 65-75 range. Players fall off the draft board at about 50.)"

1. Nerlens Noel, Kentucky (PROS: 124.2)
2. Cody Zeller, Indiana (122.3)
3. Ben McLemore, Kansas (119.5)
4. Alex Len, Maryland (118.3)
5. Anthony Bennett, UNLV (116.7)
6. Steven Adams, Pittsburgh (114.6)
7. Trey Burke, Michigan (110.1)
8. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse (107.3)
9. Otto Porter, Georgetown (107.0)
10. Victor Oladipo, Indiana (105.0)
11. C.J. McCollum, Lehigh (99.8)
12. Dennis Schroeder, Germany (98.8)
13. Sergey Karasev, Russia (96.6)
14. Jeff Withey, Kansas (90.7)
15. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville (87.3)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... ts-numbers

Seeing Len that high automatically makes me doubt this guy's "system".

[DCZards]

ESPN's Bradford Doolittle's "YODA"

"(Each player's prospect score (PROS) is denoted in parenthesis. Any score more than 100 denotes a deserving top-10 pick. Late first-rounders and early second-rounders -- always a gray area -- rate in the 65-75 range. Players fall off the draft board at about 50.)"

1. Nerlens Noel, Kentucky (PROS: 124.2)
2. Cody Zeller, Indiana (122.3)
3. Ben McLemore, Kansas (119.5)
4. Alex Len, Maryland (118.3)
5. Anthony Bennett, UNLV (116.7)
6. Steven Adams, Pittsburgh (114.6)
7. Trey Burke, Michigan (110.1)
8. Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse (107.3)
9. Otto Porter, Georgetown (107.0)
10. Victor Oladipo, Indiana (105.0)
11. C.J. McCollum, Lehigh (99.8)
12. Dennis Schroeder, Germany (98.8)
13. Sergey Karasev, Russia (96.6)
14. Jeff Withey, Kansas (90.7)
15. Gorgui Dieng, Louisville (87.3)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... ts-numbers

Seeing Len that high automatically makes me doubt this guy's "system".

A lot of GMs apparently have Len in their top 5 as well. So this guy's system might not be that far off the mark. Len is certainly a unique combo of size and athleticism. He might turn out to be fool's gold but I understand the love that Len's getting.