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Post#1461 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:39 pm

nate33 wrote:Think about it. The last good free agent we acquired, on a reasonable salary, was Gilbert freaking Arenas in 2003.


Everybody is avoiding the Wizards unless they massively overpaid except for Gilbert. Gilbert Arenas is the only person who's decision-making prowess chose the Wizards without a massive financial incentive. Gilbert's decision-making skills have been... questionable over the years, to say the least.

And beyond that, even Arenas really only had two choices in free agency at that point: the Wizards and the Clippers owned by Donald Sterling. On the surface people think that being from LA the Clippers would have been a natural choice for Arenas, but it was the Clippers, with Donald Sterling, and being from LA and knowing basketball, I'm sure Arenas knew all about Sterling. I think a pretty strong argument can be made that the Clippers were one of the few options that might have been worse than the Grunfeld Wizards at that point, with financial issues being equal.

Basically, the Wizards aren't going to get a star unless they're the only team that can/is offering that star a max contract in free agency, or at the very least the other bidders are as incompetent or worse. As soon as any other team does, that player avoids the Wizards. And there are usually more teams trying to sign star players than there are star players on the market so there is almost always a good team bidding for them, or at least a better option than the Wizards.

There are lots of teams in that boat, though. Free agency is almost always a terrible option if a team doesn't get a star in the ensuing years. Looking at Ainge and Ujiri, Ainge managed to get Horford (good) and Hayward (looking pretty bad) and his success has hinged largely around his trades. Ujiri has done relatively awful in free agency beyond keeping his own players but doesn't go to it all that often - he signed Carroll and Miles and otherwise has stuck to mostly to one-year deals and keeping his own players while banking on some trades and a lot of success with later draft picks and undrafted free agents. Ernie, naturally, goes for free agents because he aims for vets. It's so predictable and results in declining assets attached to heavy contracts meaning he doesn't get an increased value in trades later. Smarter executives are running circles around him as he treads water in the 7 to 11 area that nobody really wants to be in, well, except for Ernie because every year he's trying to make the playoffs and 7 to 11 is where teams trying to make the playoffs without longer term strategy generally finish.

EG's inability to bother much with anything but free agency has been his downfall. The Wizards have actually drafted reasonably well recently. To get poor draft picks you have to go back several years now. Sato, Oubre, etc. look like quality picks; not amazing picks but good ones. It's just that Ernie trades so many picks, often to undo his free agency mistakes, and doesn't manage the roster to get his draft picks opportunities. If there were some way to ban Ernie from signing non-star players from other teams in free agency, forcing him to find other ways of adding talent, I think he'd be an okay GM. And no, Dwight isn't a star anymore. Unfortunately, Ernie isn't going to change in his valuation of veteran free agents. It's just so ridiculously predictable at this point.
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Post#1462 » by gtn130 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:06 pm

Kelly Oubre was a good pick the same way JaVale McGee was a good pick
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Post#1463 » by pcbothwel » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:15 pm

gtn130 wrote:Kelly Oubre was a good pick the same way JaVale McGee was a good pick


Ehhh... An Oubre type talent at 15 is good. I dont blame EG for that. Oubre has a nice shooting form and all the tools. His upside of a Rich mans Ariza is Gold in this NBA... you have to take that risk.

Also, as bad as EG is, Brooks has done him no favors. A better/more fluid offensive system has always been Brooks Achilles along with his TERRIBLE lineups. Not staggering our lineups and playing Rivers over Sato HAS ZERO to do with EG.

Look at the Bucks. They have burned 1st round picks (Wilson & Maker) and made terrible signings (Snell, Plumlee, Delly, Monroe)... but a good coach utilized them properly.

Again, EG needs to be fired ASAP... but i guarantee there are some good minds in our FO that are baffled by Brooks and his ineptitude.
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Post#1464 » by lastemp3ror » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:43 pm

The fact that Ernie is still around to shop around the two center pieces of the team he formed shows how loyal Leonsis is to Ernie.

Yeah I know that this isn’t the first or 10th example of Leonsis’ loyalty to Ernie but this example shows that the loyalty is even deeper that can be thought of in the past. I mean what Ernie built has now officially has proven to be a failure. What else does Leonsis need to see? I swear it must of been Pollins dying wish that Leonsis will never fire Ernie.


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Post#1465 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:47 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:...EG's inability to bother much with anything but free agency has been his downfall. The Wizards have actually drafted reasonably well recently. To get poor draft picks you have to go back several years now. Sato, Oubre, etc. look like quality picks; not amazing picks but good ones. It's just that Ernie trades so many picks, often to undo his free agency mistakes, and doesn't manage the roster to get his draft picks opportunities. If there were some way to ban Ernie from signing non-star players from other teams in free agency, forcing him to find other ways of adding talent, I think he'd be an okay GM. And no, Dwight isn't a star anymore. Unfortunately, Ernie isn't going to change in his valuation of veteran free agents. It's just so ridiculously predictable at this point.

Drafted reasonably well recently??

Sato was drafted in 2012 over a bunch of better players & with the knowledge that he wouldn't be coming over any time soon. I love his game, but it's now 6 plus years since he was drafted, & we are still well shy of getting 3000 minutes out of him.

I had no problem with the pick of Oubre, but how long a list would you like of better-performing players taken after him in 2015? Come on.

He also makes way more bad trades than good ones. Gortat for Rivers was completely idiotic, for example. It's true that he's traded some picks to hide FA mistakes. But he's also traded a bunch of R2 picks for no benefit at all.

Above all, b/c it's still fresh in the mind, his management of the 2018 draft was abysmal. Horrendous. (No that doesn't mean that I'm dissing Troy Brown)

Ernie Grunfeld a bum from A to Z. Nothing anyone could do would make him "an okay GM." The entire Wiz FO shows no ability to evaluate prospects.
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Post#1466 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:05 pm

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gtn130 wrote:Kelly Oubre was a good pick the same way JaVale McGee was a good pick

Ehhh... An Oubre type talent at 15 is good. I dont blame EG for that. Oubre has a nice shooting form and all the tools. His upside of a Rich mans Ariza is Gold in this NBA... you have to take that risk.

Also, as bad as EG is, Brooks has done him no favors. A better/more fluid offensive system has always been Brooks Achilles along with his TERRIBLE lineups. Not staggering our lineups and playing Rivers over Sato HAS ZERO to do with EG.

Look at the Bucks. They have burned 1st round picks (Wilson & Maker) and made terrible signings (Snell, Plumlee, Delly, Monroe)... but a good coach utilized them properly.

Again, EG needs to be fired ASAP... but i guarantee there are some good minds in our FO that are baffled by Brooks and his ineptitude.
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Comparison to the Bucks doesn't hold water. They traded Monroe to the Suns for Bledsoe, who has been tremendous. They picked Brogdon, Connaughton & Middleton in R2. They signed Ersan Ilyasova to a 3-year value contract. They signed Christian Wood.

They picked the best player in the league at #15 in the draft. They got an immediate contributor this year with the 17th pick.

Above all, they have the 2d best record in the league & they are nowhere near the tax.
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Post#1468 » by gtn130 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:36 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
gtn130 wrote:Kelly Oubre was a good pick the same way JaVale McGee was a good pick


Ehhh... An Oubre type talent at 15 is good. I dont blame EG for that. Oubre has a nice shooting form and all the tools. His upside of a Rich mans Ariza is Gold in this NBA... you have to take that risk.

Also, as bad as EG is, Brooks has done him no favors. A better/more fluid offensive system has always been Brooks Achilles along with his TERRIBLE lineups. Not staggering our lineups and playing Rivers over Sato HAS ZERO to do with EG.

Look at the Bucks. They have burned 1st round picks (Wilson & Maker) and made terrible signings (Snell, Plumlee, Delly, Monroe)... but a good coach utilized them properly.

Again, EG needs to be fired ASAP... but i guarantee there are some good minds in our FO that are baffled by Brooks and his ineptitude.
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There are plenty of ways to look at Oubre and say a bunch of stuff isn’t his fault but we’re still calling a guy who has been a negative contributor his entire career a good pick.

JaVale and Oubre are similar in that they both have obvious tools but neither have a clue as to how to play basketball. Observing those tools is the easy part.
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Post#1470 » by TGW » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:54 am

Damn...ripped Grunfailed to shreds.

If that's the case with Leonsis, I'll cut him a little tiny bit of slack.
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LOVERRO: Ted Leonsis needs to sell the Wizards

As the Wizards' public-facing image goes up in flames amid a 6-11 season, with teammates reportedly sparring in practice and John Wall getting fined for cursing out his head coach, Thom Loverro says the problem is the same as its been since June 2003: Ernie Grunfeld.


Ted Leonsis' refusal to fire his team president is such a betrayal to Wizards fans, Loverro says, that the owner can no longer be trusted to do the right thing and needs to sell the team.

"He needs to sell it," Loverro told 106.7 The Fan's Chad Dukes on Wednesday. "He's wasted eight years of a fanbase that had no more time to waste. His retention of Ernie is like spitting in the face of a fanbase that has demonized the general manager, and I think rightfully so."



The Wizards are 542-689 (.440 winning percentage) since Grunfeld was hired as president of basketball operations in June 2003. The Wizards are 301-356 (.458) since Leonsis famously declared the Wizards to be a "sleeping giant" after becoming majority owner in June 2010. That's not a marked improvement, despite the Wizards making the playoffs four times under Leonsis' ownership.

"We like to talk about the damaged Redskins fanbase and what they've been through," Loverro said. "Those are flesh wounds compared to what the basketball fans in this town have been through. For nearly 40 years, never winning more than 50 games in one season, never getting past the second round in the playoffs."

"And for the last 15 years with Ernie Grunfeld at the helm, who has a won-loss record that, if they won every game that they played maybe for the next two years, they still wouldn't have a .500 record," he said.

"It's not very complicated," Loverro continued. "Ted Leonsis bought the team eight years ago. The first thing he should have done is said, 'We're not going to do business as usual any more. We're going to get rid of the general manager who built a culture where teammates took a dump in each other's shoes. We're gonna get rid of that guy.'"

"By the way," Dukes chimed. "That's not hyperbole."

"No. No," Loverro agreed. "So, instead, what did he do? Because he was too cheap to pay another general manager, he kept Ernie around. And here it is eight years later and he's wasted the first eight years of his ownership with a general manager who has never valued the chemistry and character in team building. Going back to his days in New York, Ernie was the guy who brought in Latrell Sprewell, into that mess.

"He was the guy who built a team around Gilbert Arenas, who was mentally unstable. He's the guy who brought in the 'Big Three.' Remember the Big Three? Andray Blatche and Nick Young and JaVale McGee? I mean, he built that farce of a team. And now here he is again, we're facing the third time the arsonist fireman has set the house on fire and is maybe going to get a chance to rebuild it again, with a dysfunctional team led by John Wall, who, as soon as he got paid, decided that, Well, you know, nobody's telling me what to do. Nobody."

"And so, the problem is real simple. It's Ernie Grunfeld," Loverro continued. "It's been the problem all along. He does not understand how to build a roster of players who can mesh together on and off the court. He doesn't place value on character. And I know a lot of that is overrated, but he's just been the opposite. I mean, he's just built one dysfunctional team after another.

"And to be quite frank, since Ted Leonsis is so embarrassed to have Ernie Grunfeld as a general manager," he said. "He hid the fact that they gave him a contract extension. Didn't let anybody know. Didn't announce it, because it would have been too embarrassing to hold a press conference and say 'we're keeping Ernie again for a couple more years.' Ted needs to sell the team. He needs to sell the team."

Leonsis keeping Grunfeld employed is more than just a blind spot, Loverro says, it's unrecoverable.

"I've got a column in Friday's Washington Times that says Ted should sell the team," he said. "And I point out a 2001 interview he did with Cigar Aficionado, where he called owning a sports franchise a 'public trust.' Well, he fulfilled that trust with the Capitals, but he's betrayed it with the Wizards fans in this town and he needs to sell the team. Obviously he must be spread too thin, you know, with the two-win world champion Washington Valor and the casinos he's planning on opening when sports betting comes on."

Leonsis also owns a "video game team," Dukes noted.

"And yeah, Team Liquid! You know, I mean I can't wait for that parade down Pennsylvania Avenue when Team Liquid wins whatever championship Team Liquid could win," Loverro said. "Let somebody own the basketball team who will care about it and not be spread so thin, who will pay attention to it.

"He'll make money! The franchise is probably worth $1.5 billion. I think he paid, by the time he bought the last 56 percent of it, maybe about $400 million."

"He's given up his right as the owner of this team for fans to have any faith that Ted Leonsis will do the right thing," Loverro concluded.
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Post#1472 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:12 pm

May be wishful thinking on your behalf but if feels like there might be a possible tipping point here for fans/media to topple Grunfeld based on those tweets above. That’s where you need to focus. You need to get a couple higher profile media guys to notice on social media and start talking about Grunfeld, not about who the Wizards should trade.

A fact based social media campaign this weekend (see saveourbucks.com for examples) on twitter could help you guys. The door is open just a crack. You may be able to pry it wide open.
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Post#1473 » by nate33 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:04 pm

I laughed out loud at this line:

"We like to talk about the damaged Redskins fanbase and what they've been through," Loverro said. "Those are flesh wounds compared to what the basketball fans in this town have been through.
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Post#1474 » by nate33 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:08 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:May be wishful thinking on your behalf but if feels like there might be a possible tipping point here for fans/media to topple Grunfeld based on those tweets above. That’s where you need to focus. You need to get a couple higher profile media guys to notice on social media and start talking about Grunfeld, not about who the Wizards should trade.

A fact based social media campaign this weekend (see saveourbucks.com for examples) on twitter could help you guys. The door is open just a crack. You may be able to pry it wide open.


I love how victims of Grunfeld's abuse in the past are showing up to give us Wizards fans some moral support. At one level, it's heartwarming, but it's also depressing that Grunfeld has scarred so many lives so deeply that they feel compelled to try and help others currently enduring the abuse.

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Post#1475 » by FAH1223 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:16 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:May be wishful thinking on your behalf but if feels like there might be a possible tipping point here for fans/media to topple Grunfeld based on those tweets above. That’s where you need to focus. You need to get a couple higher profile media guys to notice on social media and start talking about Grunfeld, not about who the Wizards should trade.

A fact based social media campaign this weekend (see saveourbucks.com for examples) on twitter could help you guys. The door is open just a crack. You may be able to pry it wide open.

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paulpressey25 wrote:May be wishful thinking on your behalf but if feels like there might be a possible tipping point here for fans/media to topple Grunfeld based on those tweets above. That’s where you need to focus. You need to get a couple higher profile media guys to notice on social media and start talking about Grunfeld, not about who the Wizards should trade.

A fact based social media campaign this weekend (see saveourbucks.com for examples) on twitter could help you guys. The door is open just a crack. You may be able to pry it wide open.


I love how victims of Grunfeld's abuse in the past are showing up to give us Wizards fans some moral support. At one level, it's heartwarming, but it's also depressing that Grunfeld has scarred so many lives so deeply that they feel compelled to try and help others currently enduring the abuse.

Thanks, paulpressey25.

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There’s a dark, ominous cloud hanging above everyone’s head inside the Capital One Arena. Rodney Rikai could sense it as he held a jersey at center court on Tuesday when the team honored him for the five years he spent as the Washington Wizards’ emcee.

It was a familiar feeling for Rodney. It was the same feeling he had for all five years he was with the team — and it’s the same feeling a lot of his friends who still work for the Wizards cope with.

A day after being honored by the team, Rodney logged onto Twitter and fired away. For a few hours, he became the head emcee for #WizardsTwitter, preaching the gospel of hundreds of voiceless Wizards fans.

It wasn’t the long flight back to Los Angeles that frustrated Rodney after such a momentous night. It was that damn cloud that still loomed inside what used to be his second home.

Ernie Grunfeld has been a constant source of vexation for Rodney — and he’s been for plenty of other people within the organization who don’t have the luxury of speaking out.

“It’s just truth, man,” he said. “I spent five years there and that’s the sentiment of everyone. There’s this big ass elephant in the room that no one is addressing. I’m fortunate that I’ve never been dependent on the Wizards to survive or exist, but there are people in that organization that need that job to feed their family. It’s foul that no one is reporting on the guy who makes the experience of being in that building dark. He casts a shadow above that place and it’s corny that nobody talks about it.”

Rodney is thankful for the five years he spent with the Wizards, but none of it — not even a ceremony — could stop him from sharing his feelings. He felt no apprehension.

“What can Ernie Grunfeld do to me?” he asked. “Ban me from the arena? That’s fine by me. I live in L.A. I can catch a Wizards game when they’re in L.A. I also understand that he directly impacts a lot of people and how they’re able to do their job. I’m not one of them.”

As a basketball fan and former employee, Rodney has spent an awfully long time contemplating a question that no one can quite answer: how does Grunfeld still have a job?

“How the [redacted] do you have a job for 16 years and have a minimal track record?” he asked. “There’s nothing that warrants him having that job for that long. It really makes no sense. He’s had this job since [redacted] Bush. The game of basketball has evolved when he’s been at the helm. I’m not one to take away his credentials, but as a GM it’s not like he’s Jerry West, Pat Riley –- so why does he have the job for this long while looking so disinterested? Why doesn’t he report to anyone throughout the season? No one puts pressure on him to make statements. He just hides and everything falls on John, who’s been a beacon of hope for this city, or Brad, who’s finally come into his own and is getting frustrated because his talent should warrant a certain level of cache in the league.”

Critics will argue that it’s John Wall’s fault — that he hasn’t taken the necessary steps to truly improve his game and reach the level he was expected to reach after being taken first overall. Rodney would point to his supporting cast and the negligent handling of the roster overall.

“Ernie keeps putting a bum team around these guys that can’t flourish in ways they’re capable of,” he said. “There’s no way you add certain elements to a fragile locker room if you have done your homework. It’s clear that he’s guessing. What’s the formula to come to that conclusion — draft picks, the draft, free agency? There’s no way you sat somewhere and watched Tim Frazier play and thought, ‘this was the guy we need backing up John Wall.”

It goes beyond the hardwood, too.

Rodney believes that Grunfeld has contributed to an overall dark feeling within the organization and likened it to the time he used to coach AAU. There were people who overcharged kids or weren’t as transparent with their plans as they should have been. Rodney called those people, “people who take away from the game.” He sees a lot of those people in Grunfeld.

“There’s no love of the game for him,” he said “There’s not a passion for the game that would help ignite a fan base, there’s no interest generally in creating a healthy environment for the players, employees or anyone for that sort.”

“I’ve never spoken to anyone who had a great thing to say about Ernie Grunfeld –- and again, I worked in that arena for five years,” he said. “Never. I’ve never had anyone say, ‘oh, I really like Ernie Grunfeld.’”

Rodney characterized Grunfeld as miserable — someone who’s unable to actually enjoy his job, failing to gather any actual perspective on how to properly lead an organization. His opinions on the ownership are completely the opposite, which makes it even more perplexing that Ted Leonsis, who’s paying luxury tax for a losing team and built a $70 million practice facility, would keep him around.

So who’s to blame? Is it Leonsis’ patience or perhaps even the stars’ tendency to be too loyal? Rodney doesn’t have the answer, but he won’t go as far as to blame John Wall, whom he considers a personal friend.

“I don’t think John [Wall] is complacent at all,” he said. “He’s very appreciative of the opportunity to represent the Wizards and he never wants to come off as ungrateful. He’s not one of those kids that’s second generation NBA bloodline; he’s an underdog who became the number one draft pick.

I think his mom’s influence and background gave him the idea of never going against the team. He’s loyal. He’s super down to earth and grounded. Unfortunately he’s put his hands in the career of people who aren’t great basketball minds for this era of basketball. The game revolves around the guys that John Wall trusts will bring players around him to help him become more successful. It’s just unfortunate. You had so many pieces that could’ve helped. You let Shaun Livingston go. You let Trevor Ariza go. You gave $64 million to Ian Mahinmi.”

Rodney has seen the locker room reports and what he believes are misconceptions — the notion that the players in the locker room hate playing with each other and the Wall and Beal have grown apart. He’s not buying it. Being around the team, Rodney thinks Wall and Beal have a strong relationship - a “brotherhood.” It’s why the team managed to right the ship after injuries and not-so-ideal starts.

But it goes deeper than that. The team has egos, just like any professional club. They’re young. Plus, the coach isn’t particularly abrasive, neither in the locker room nor with the clipboard in his hands. Rodney thinks opposing teams have figured out how to stop the Wizards and Brooks hasn’t done enough to add wrinkles to his offense.

And ultimately, what has he had to work with?

“Constant head scratching moves make the team question whether they’re really trying to compete for a championship,” he said. “There hasn’t been a move to suggest they’re trying to win a championship. There’s been nothing of that nature. What’s the last big move they made? The Keef trade? There’s nothing that says, ‘we want to win a championship.’

Jodie Meeks? A player option? He has the right to say, ‘yeah, I’ll come back’? Why does he get to dictate that? How did he earn that? Did you know that he was still in the NBA? I had no idea — I didn’t know.”

There’s been no indication that Rodney’s frustration will end anytime soon — that the 16-year-old dark cloud that’s been hovering above the Wizards as an organization will finally depart.

If Rodney were to guess, the Wizards just might do enough to keep Grunfeld safe. After all, whether they make or miss the playoffs hasn’t really seemed to make a difference to the ownership. He doesn’t anticipate a major trade involving Wall or Beal, either.

For Grunfeld’s tenure to finally end, Rodney thinks there would have to be public outcry from the media or a player with influence, which might have already happened.

Although he’s in L.A. now, the Grunfeld cloud is still around. It doesn’t impact Rodney like it used to, but he still sees it from afar. And it keeps him puzzled, wondering when the hell it’s finally going to leave.

“I have no idea why he’s still around making basketball decisions,” he said. “He must be one hell of a salesman. From a business standpoint, I don’t get it. Jeanie Buss fired her own brother because he was stinking it up. So I have no idea how he’s still around.”
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Post#1476 » by closg00 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:39 pm

Wow, first Jay Glassie, now Rodney Rikai (Beal very mildly). It appears that EG has the run of the town like a mafioso boss.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#1477 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:08 pm

I fear that this extended attack on Grunfeld, legitimate though it is, will only lead to his stay here being extended. Ted isn't going to make a move that looks like it was influenced by something like this, or even by fans, & firing Ernie this year will give that impression unavoidably.

We are stuck with this conceited & incompetent time server for at least another season. :(
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#1478 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm

I think the only thing that might help would be NBA players -- our guys, other guys who've played here, & (best) players who've never been Wizards -- tweeting repeatedly the negative experiences & negative vibe they have or had or have heard about in re: Ernie.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#1479 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:20 pm

In some ways, this is the one that pissed me off the most:
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It's painfully obvious what a bad player Austin Rivers is. & it's equally obvious that Marcin Gortat is doing fine w/ the Clippers.

In his familiar narcissistic conceited manner, Ernie wasn't going to let there be any attention to Marcin. It might lead to media mentions of his bonehead trade.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#1480 » by nate33 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:53 pm

payitforward wrote:In some ways, this is the one that pissed me off the most:
Read on Twitter
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It's painfully obvious what a bad player Austin Rivers is. & it's equally obvious that Marcin Gortat is doing fine w/ the Clippers.

In his familiar narcissistic conceited manner, Ernie wasn't going to let there be any attention to Marcin. It might lead to media mentions of his bonehead trade.

To be fair, Gortat isn't doing THAT well in LA. He "starts" but gets only 17 minutes a game. He has the second worst on/off differential on the team. It's Harrell who is leading that team to success. I can still understand the Rivers for Gortat trade. If nothing else, it saved $700K in salary which translates into a $2.7M in total salary and luxtax savings.

Nevertheless, I agree with your point here. Nixing that Gortat tribute video was petty.

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