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Political Roundtable Part XXVI

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1461 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:33 pm

The colossal stupidity and incompetence of the Trump administration boggles the mind.

I don't know what's funnier, Guilliani stumbling over his own dick, or Trump pimping a story by the New York Times that led with a Biden scandal whilst **** Trump in his gigantic ass with a byline.

Kenneth Vogel, you are a star :lol:

Talk about nationally syndicated seppuku.

In light of the revelations about Bolton's interference with Trumps plans to use funding as leverage, the timing of the firing couldn't be any better.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1462 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:30 pm

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Next step should be to subpoena the phone transcript if Trump doesn't fork it over this AM. Get it before Trump has his people tamper with it.
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Post#1463 » by dobrojim » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:47 pm

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One of the guests last night on Ari Melbar made what ought to be a very
uncomfortable (to Pelosi) observation about Trump and Pelosi. Both are letting
political considerations dictate their policy positions, doing or not doings things
for purely political reasons rather than the 1st principles, like their
oaths of office, that should guide them.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1464 » by doclinkin » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:17 pm

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doclinkin wrote:I’m not even saying pander to stupid people. Cory Booker is a reasonable candidate. I do think it is smart gamesmanship simply to have an umbrella that is inclusive even of stupid people. They are Americans too. Might as well find the shorthand that helps them vote in their own best interest. Which in most cases frankly is a progressive platform. So OK, maybe the candidate looks presidential and has some hook that gets them to notice. If that includes a celebrity girlfriend and a tall guy who has bona fides both in Congress and as an executive, so much the better. Stacey Abrams is bright and a badass, and I don't think our country is ready for her. Joe Biden is a tall folksy white guy who pretends to be tough. That's all it takes for him to be leading in the polls.


If you're going based on who the masses think "looks" more presidential, it's a one-man race: Joe Biden. The buck basically stops there as far as the Democrats go. I'd also suggest he's one of the least likely candidates to actually make headway to beat Trump but Booker isn't presidential. Obama was presidential and still caused a bunch of the people you're suggesting the Democrats pander towards to doubt that it was the greatest of ideas and vote against their own best interests. And this isn't to denigrate Booker. He's a very accomplished dude. He's just up against some other very accomplished people and hasn't actually done anything to set himself apart despite being a man with a celebrity girlfriend.


The context was: "If Warren is your nominee, how do you maximize turnout?" Obama's strength was a wave of African American voters. How do you shore up that voting bloc and still retain or recruit casual voters? How do you reassure that loyal voting bloc that you will hear and pay attention to their best interests and real grievances. Warren has policies that will help many of these voters, but people vote their instincts. Stacey Abrams will say the right things, but if we are talking accomplished pols, she has accomplished what exactly? aside from having an election stolen from her. An accomplished woman like Warren has one significant strike against her simply in being female. Its stupid and true. The unconsciously sexist voting bloc is up for grabs.

Booker is tall, male, a forceful speaker, generally aligned with Warren and visibly anti Trump. Trump already has the racist vote sewn up, so casual voters on his side of the aisle won't turn out in higher numbers simply because Booker is on the ticket. Booker is young, balancing out Warren's age, and when it comes to the general election yes: extra eyes on the candidate because he has a beautiful girlfriend won't hurt. Part of the rage directed against AOC is that the camera loves her, she scares the opposition because she is smart and lovely and gets free publicity from that bump. Trump was elected because he was on TV. That was his only qualification, people knew him because of a lifetime of literally shameless self promotion. He has the shameless vote sewn up.

I do think it is important to reach out to the core of Obama voters. African american voters in big cities went hard to the polls. Biden and Barak were friends. There's familiarity there. If its another ticket with a bunch of white folks then it may look like more of the same. I think nobody was turning out in historic numbers for Hillary.

Castro might or might not deliver a Latino vote, seems to me common that Latino votes are tough to muster. Actually it seems to me Republicans don't realize their hidden strength lies in reaching out to this group who commonly have catholic roots, conservative viewpoints on work and handouts and social issues. (And In this case some part of the Florida populace the name Castro aligned with a Left mindset doesn't inspire positive feelings). But in any case I think it makes sense to reach out to the core voting bloc who delivered us 8 years of sensible politics and thoughtful measured action in the executive branch.

Basically I think there is synergy in a Warren Booker ticket.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1465 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:47 pm

queridiculo wrote:The colossal stupidity and incompetence of the Trump administration boggles the mind.

I don't know what's funnier, Guilliani stumbling over his own dick, or Trump pimping a story by the New York Times that led with a Biden scandal whilst **** Trump in his gigantic ass with a byline.

Kenneth Vogel, you are a star :lol:

Talk about nationally syndicated seppuku.

In light of the revelations about Bolton's interference with Trumps plans to use funding as leverage, the timing of the firing couldn't be any better.

At this point, Saul Goodman should take over for Rudy.

Notice in Trump's tweets now - he's barely even denying the accusations. Instead, he's just taking cheap shots at people just doing their jobs and bragging that he hasn't been caught in 3 years.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1466 » by dobrojim » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:02 pm

Another tell about Trump's behavior re Ukraine, if it were legit US govt policy
interests at stake, he would send people with govt positions like Pompeo for instance,
and not send his personal lawyer, America's Mayor.

Also another tell about the corruption, the connected Ukrainian mobster
who has more money than God hired deGenova and wife as additional lawyers
in his fight to avoid extradition to the US from Austria. He already had
a team of expensive and competent lawyers working for him. Joe deG
and spouse got a gift.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1467 » by dobrojim » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:49 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/seven-freshman-democrats-these-allegations-are-threat-all-we-have-sworn-protect/

The president of the United States may have used his position to pressure a foreign country into investigating a political opponent, and he sought to use U.S. taxpayer dollars as leverage to do it. He allegedly sought to use the very security assistance dollars appropriated by Congress to create stability in the world, to help root out corruption and to protect our national security interests, for his own personal gain. These allegations are stunning, both in the national security threat they pose and the potential corruption they represent. We also know that on Sept. 9, the inspector general for the intelligence community notified Congress of a “credible” and “urgent” whistleblower complaint related to national security and potentially involving these allegations. Despite federal law requiring the disclosure of this complaint to Congress, the administration has blocked its release to Congress.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1468 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:10 pm

Finally.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1469 » by gtn130 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:35 pm

How is this place a ghost town today of all days?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1470 » by Wizardspride » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:44 pm

gtn130 wrote:How is this place a ghost town today of all days?

I've been thinking about sd20 all day.... :wink:

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1471 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:59 pm

You know Trump's probably done when even Abbey Huntsman calls Trump's dealing with Ukraine extortion. https://www.yahoo.com/news/view-abby-huntsman-finally-convinced-160226381.html Seriously, you have to be completely clueless or have you're head completely immersed in sand to not see it by now.

Clowns like Graham and Nunez will likely never give up the ship on Trump, but it'll be interesting to follow how his base distances themselves from him, how they do it and how long it takes them to.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1472 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:19 pm

Anyone up for some unseemly gloating? Feels like a funeral in here.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1473 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:17 am

Zonkerbl wrote:Finally.


We got him

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1474 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:20 am

Ruzious wrote:You know Trump's probably done when even Abbey Huntsman calls Trump's dealing with Ukraine extortion. https://www.yahoo.com/news/view-abby-huntsman-finally-convinced-160226381.html Seriously, you have to be completely clueless or have you're head completely immersed in sand to not see it by now.

Clowns like Graham and Nunez will likely never give up the ship on Trump, but it'll be interesting to follow how his base distances themselves from him, how they do it and how long it takes them to.


I know right Abby Huntsman is a right wing hack, but I’m sure the fact that her dad was ambassador to Russia probably forces her to get out of her right wing bubble.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1475 » by verbal8 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:55 am

Pelosi's announcement means the dam officially broke.

Possibly the most damaging news for Trump today is that he tried to negotiate something and Pelosi shot him down.

If Mitch McConnell doesn't back Trump, this could be over pretty quickly - weeks vs. months.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1476 » by Wizardspride » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:11 am

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#1477 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:41 am

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Wow Rudy throwing Pompeo under the bus. How does the impeachment committee not subpoena documents from the State Department now? This is pretty crazy how far the rabbit hole is going to go. I predict this impeachment inquiry will uncover way more corruption, malfeasance and illegal behaviour by Trump and his cronies.

By the way, they gotta let Rudy stop drinking and going on tv.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1478 » by JWizmentality » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:53 am

About God damn time.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1479 » by pancakes3 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:40 am

a few things re: impeachment that I think is of note:

1) Trump has an army of lawyers, both officially and unofficially working for him to keep him above water.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/23/trump-impeachment-legal-strategy-1506652

Part of it is partisan allegiances: attorneys pulled from FedSoc ranks and promoted/appointed to roles where they can be most influential for sure. A bigger part of it is also because professionally, every lawyer who is working for Trump, is getting infinitely more employable by the second. They know if they can do a "good enough" job, which they really have done so far, it means that large corporate clients will take notice and sign up with their firms down the line.

2) "Bribing" and other conventional crimes are imperfect descriptors for Trump's corruption in the Ukraine - just as "collusion" was an imperfect descriptor for the Mueller report. Making a big deal about "collusion" in the beginning, when setting the parameters of the Mueller report is a huge win for Trump, whether that was intentional or not. If the impeachment probe makes the same mistake on calling this "bribery," "extortion," or as Nancy keeps harping on "quid pro quo" then it's going to make impeachment more difficult.

This is another politico article that explains it pretty well:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/21/trump-bribe-ukraine-228151
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

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