Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[deneem4]

If you're trying to win games on NBA2K14, then sure, trade for Smith.

If you're actually trying to win basketball games in real life, you don't trade for Smith.

Trading for Smith would be a terrible move for so many different reasons.

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

[fishercob]

If you're trying to win games on NBA2K14, then sure, trade for Smith.

If you're actually trying to win basketball games in real life, you don't trade for Smith.

Trading for Smith would be a terrible move for so many different reasons.

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

Yes, the Spurs are riding the transition alley-oop all the way to the NBA title.

[TGW]

If you're trying to win games on NBA2K14, then sure, trade for Smith.

If you're actually trying to win basketball games in real life, you don't trade for Smith.

Trading for Smith would be a terrible move for so many different reasons.

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

[deneem4]

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

We have no 1st ballot hof coach and player and 3 players with 10 Yrs of chemistry....u can't compare a team to the spurs, we can't be the next spurs...we can be a clippers team, and a clippers team in the east would be in the finals...
and 2 points isn't 2 points when it comes to the wizards...we lost a lot of home playoff games because our crowd rarely gets into it...If we had explosive plays big dunks and stuff we'll actually have some excitement and maybe win home playoff games

[pcbothwel]

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

We have no 1st ballot hof coach and player and 3 players with 10 Yrs of chemistry....u can't compare a team to the spurs, we can't be the next spurs...we can be a clippers team, and a clippers team in the east would be in the finals...
and 2 points isn't 2 points when it comes to the wizards...we lost a lot of home playoff games because our crowd rarely gets into it...If we had explosive plays big dunks and stuff we'll actually have some excitement and maybe win home playoff games

Ehhh, not buying it. Also, Nene and Whitmans contract are set up perfect for a quick reload. with all of Josh Smiths shortcomings and a 13.5M salary, the extra year is really the killer and throws off our plan.
A lot of people on this board argue about method and process to which the Wiz should pursue a championship caliber team.
The truth is, no matter what path other successful teams have elected to pursue, timing is the real key to success (as is in Life in general). Middling teams operate in the grey, while great team operate in the Black and White. The Spurs have Ginobli, Duncan, and Parker all expiring at the same team. The heat orchestrated the big three with proper timing (and hot cheeks on South Beach). The Lakers aligned their salaries (even though they over paid Kobe) after the Kobe, Pau, Howard, Nash debacle.

[deneem4]

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

We have no 1st ballot hof coach and player and 3 players with 10 Yrs of chemistry....u can't compare a team to the spurs, we can't be the next spurs...we can be a clippers team, and a clippers team in the east would be in the finals...
and 2 points isn't 2 points when it comes to the wizards...we lost a lot of home playoff games because our crowd rarely gets into it...If we had explosive plays big dunks and stuff we'll actually have some excitement and maybe win home playoff games

Ehhh, not buying it. Also, Nene and Whitmans contract are set up perfect for a quick reload. with all of Josh Smiths shortcomings and a 13.5M salary, the extra year is really the killer and throws off our plan.
A lot of people on this board argue about method and process to which the Wiz should pursue a championship caliber team.
The truth is, no matter what path other successful teams have elected to pursue, timing is the real key to success (as is in Life in general). Middling teams operate in the grey, while great team operate in the Black and White. The Spurs have Ginobli, Duncan, and Parker all expiring at the same team. The heat orchestrated the big three with proper timing (and hot cheeks on South Beach). The Lakers aligned their salaries (even though they over paid Kobe) after the Kobe, Pau, Howard, Nash debacle.

Exactly hall of fame players and 3 of the greatest teams in the last 15 yrs...we don't have those players...we don't have that history...we can pull of a pistons type team if we get it right...Josh smith was a good player when playing with the right guys back in atlanta, he's not injury prone and he's a good defender...we have to have guys that lure big names to our team, every f/a we have acquired have left us better than they came...okafor, Ariza, gortat...Our team showed those guys are capable of starter minutes and can be exceptional role players...i think playing with wall with do josh smith some good, with Chris paul wall is one of the best passers in the league, doing wonders for guys like josh smith, will have the durants, and melos, and bosh, and love actually considering coming here.

[Hidden Eye]

If you're trying to win games on NBA2K14, then sure, trade for Smith.

If you're actually trying to win basketball games in real life, you don't trade for Smith.

Trading for Smith would be a terrible move for so many different reasons.

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

He can do exactly what Nene does his role but better. You don't have to worry about him being 100% healthy which is needed for a serious run in the playoffs. As long as he isn't shooting a lot of threes would be ok. Better mentor to Booker and Singleton if they still are on the roster.

[deneem4]

Thank GOD...I really cant believe people would consider trading for this guy and his contract with out compensation.

But we have no explosive big...no one wall can oop too...no big on these fast breaks, remember we have to big around wall and beal...and they need someone big and fast to run with them...remember how jan used to be our energy player who crash boards and get steals jus off pure athleticism and length, josh smith can be that and more..

He can do exactly what Nene does his role but better. You don't have to worry about him being 100% healthy which is needed for a serious run in the playoffs. As long as he isn't shooting a lot of threes would be ok. Better mentor to Booker and Singleton if they still are on the roster.

Exactly and he's a legit defender and underrated passer as well...
with a wall/beal/---/smith/---
This is a decent core...If porter can pan out get a bit stronger I cam see him being like a kwahi leonard, jus instincts even without the spurs personel, he's not the quickest or fastest but he's smart and determined,

I like spencer hawes as our center with smith as pf...he's not too expensive and can knock down any shot with ease...he's not a great defender but I don't think he'll be a liability, we turned gortat into a defensive center...with hawes we can space the floor for smith in post or beal/porter for cuts...he's also a good pick and pop and he's 7'1...

i think we should focus into making beal.and wall into superstars they're our nucleus and they're young, the best way we can do that is surround them with players that fit they're play...As long as they can make us legit contenders that can get to conference finals...players like cousins and Davis will look to playing with them the 1st chance they get

[nate33]

Comparing Smith to Nene does not impress me. Nene is a competent player who is way overpriced. Smith is also a competent player who is way overpriced, bit the problem is, his contract lasts 2 years longer. At least Nene is movable, specifically because his contract is short.

[JAR69]

One year longer, Nate, but other than that, you are exactly right.

[just1bullet]

I would love to figure out how to do these three thing this summer
1) draft randle
2) trade Nene
3) sign polish hammer and ariza

[gambitx777]

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

You, I and only a few others are the only ones who seem to get that you can't always trade and buy your way to long term successes. Right now we are on the right track, We have some really nice home grown pieces. As much as we salivate over the big trades. I honestly think that a nice trade of Web to a team to get some depth would be a nice move. obviously if decent deals come around for NENE and we keep, wall beal and porter, great. but we have to make smart movies and not just moves to make moves. We should honestly be more focused on finding a usable player in the second round.

[hands11]

WWSD? (What would the Spurs do?)

2 points is 2 points whether it's a layup or a dunk. As far as fast breaks are concerned, how many of San Antonio's bigs are running the floor and catching dunks? Answer--NONE.

Having an athletic bigman is not needed to win in the NBA. Having a GOOD bigman is needed. Josh Smith is not a good bigman. He has good qualities, but he is not effective. His game is based off of athleticism, and when that starts to diminish, you're going to see a very limited player.

I suggest you watch Boris Diaw and see what an effective bigman is. Notice Diaw's vertical is about 5 inches, and yet he is a much, much better player than Smith is.

You, I and only a few others are the only ones who seem to get that you can't always trade and buy your way to long term successes. Right now we are on the right track, We have some really nice home grown pieces. As much as we salivate over the big trades. I honestly think that a nice trade of Web to a team to get some depth would be a nice move. obviously if decent deals come around for NENE and we keep, wall beal and porter, great. but we have to make smart movies and not just moves to make moves. We should honestly be more focused on finding a usable player in the second round.

This is along my view. I think they still need to bring in more vet savvy winners right now to teach Wall, Beal and Otto. Adding a player like Vince Carter to back up SG for a year would be a great addition in my book. Just keep rolling them through on cheap short contracts. I just don't like trying to develop to many young players are once. Focus on a few until they are fully rooted.

Its not clear to me they are ready to move on from Nene just yet. He is a great vet presence that is still productive on the floor. I think they need him on the team at least one more year. If I was to move a Nene, I would want it to be for a player like Dirk only Dirk is not available.

For bigs, I think you look at players like DeJuan Blair. I would also be looking at names like...
Channing Frye would be a great add, but again, he isn't available.
Ryan Kelly might be a nice piece if you can get him cheap.
Greivis Vasquez would be great to add but I think he would want to much and probably wants to start.
Kris Humphries at the right price would be a great back up center.
Mario Chalmers would be an awesome back up to Wall
Jason Smith on the cheap as a back up center
Emeka Okafor
Anthony Morrow
Ivan Johnson .. Low-post bruiser . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kZFMXLqru4
Kenyon Martin
Ekpe Udoh
Greg Stiemsma

I would focus on upgrading the weakest links which are Singleton, Kevin, Booker and Temple. I would be looking to upgrade them to solid vets like Gooden and A Miller were or rock head competitor like Greivis Vasquez if you go younger.

[gambitx777]

I can agree with that, I think it would be smart to try to get jeff Wittney if he's available, a Morrow and Wittney trad would be a good move, Then going after ryan kelly would be nice. I would love to go after Greivis, but yeah he could go and start for a team like the heat, or lakers, or NY or Brooklyn, We would really have to sell him on playing with wall and beal. But I think we Need to try to get a big and or a guard in the draft ! But if we make good pick ups, and drop money like web and Miller, the I can see us going after a 2 or wing, and Thomas is still a question mark as well!

[Ruzious]

For bigs, I think you look at players like DeJuan Blair. I would also be looking at names like...
Channing Frye would be a great add, but again, he isn't available.
Ryan Kelly might be a nice piece if you can get him cheap.
Greivis Vasquez would be great to add but I think he would want to much and probably wants to start.
Kris Humphries at the right price would be a great back up center.
Mario Chalmers would be an awesome back up to Wall
Jason Smith on the cheap as a back up center
Emeka Okafor
Anthony Morrow
Ivan Johnson .. Low-post bruiser . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kZFMXLqru4
Kenyon Martin
Ekpe Udoh
Greg Stiemsma

I would focus on upgrading the weakest links which are Singleton, Kevin, Booker and Temple. I would be looking to upgrade them to solid vets like Gooden and A Miller were or rock head competitor like Greivis Vasquez if you go younger.

Frye should be available, because he can opt out of his contract this offseason. I'd prefer Kelly over him, because he's much younger, probably much cheaper, and still very underrated. I'd have very little to no interest in the others you mentioned - other than Blair if the Wiz don't keep Booker.

[deneem4]

Comparing Smith to Nene does not impress me. Nene is a competent player who is way overpriced. Smith is also a competent player who is way overpriced, bit the problem is, his contract lasts 2 years longer. At least Nene is movable, specifically because his contract is short.

But back when smith was on a respectable team he was good even with horford playing out of position

[mhd]

HYPOTHETICALLY:

If the Wiz traded Porter+Nene+3 future 1sts for Love, resigned Gortat & Ariza, used the MLE to get a capable 3rd big would we be the favs in the East?

PG: Wall/Miller
SG: Beal/Rice
SF: Ariza/Webster
PF: Love/MLE FA
C: Gortat/MLE FA

[nate33]

Comparing Smith to Nene does not impress me. Nene is a competent player who is way overpriced. Smith is also a competent player who is way overpriced, bit the problem is, his contract lasts 2 years longer. At least Nene is movable, specifically because his contract is short.

But back when smith was on a respectable team he was good even with horford playing out of position

He wasn't "good" even then. He was okay. He has always been a bad rebounder for a PF, an inefficient chucker, and turnover prone. Now, he's playing much worse.

I think he's an intriguing guy to take on as a reclamation prospect, but not with his cap-killing contract. The reward just isn't worth the cost. The problem is that by taking him on, we pretty much scrap any flexibility to do anything else with our roster for the next 3 years. If we were already capped out for the foreseeable future, with no prospect of making a big trade or big free agency move, then it might make sense. But we're not in that position. We actually have an opportunity to make a really high-impact acquisition in the next year or two. We shouldn't blow it on the small chance that Smith is a minor upgrade over Nene.

[thricethefun]

Do you guys think Lebron would come here if we had Wall and Love? Say we traded Nene and Beal for Love and Martin then signed Lebron as a free agent. Our lineup would be pretty stacked.
Wall
Martin
Lebron
Love
Random

[verbal8]

You can make a pretty strong argument that Josh Smith's contract is currently among the top 5 worst in the NBA. Kobe and Joe Johnson are owed slightly more money, but expire a year earlier.

Other than Deron Williams and Josh Smith, no one who is owed more than $10 million in 2016-7 will clearly not be worth their contract.

If Derrick Rose can't come back effectively, his contract might be a worse case than Josh Smith.

Comparing Smith to Nene does not impress me. Nene is a competent player who is way overpriced. Smith is also a competent player who is way overpriced, bit the problem is, his contract lasts 2 years longer. At least Nene is movable, specifically because his contract is short.

But back when smith was on a respectable team he was good even with horford playing out of position

He wasn't "good" even then. He was okay. He has always been a bad rebounder for a PF, an inefficient chucker, and turnover prone. Now, he's playing much worse.

I think he's an intriguing guy to take on as a reclamation prospect, but not with his cap-killing contract. The reward just isn't worth the cost. The problem is that by taking him on, we pretty much scrap any flexibility to do anything else with our roster for the next 3 years. If we were already capped out for the foreseeable future, with no prospect of making a big trade or big free agency move, then it might make sense. But we're not in that position. We actually have an opportunity to make a really high-impact acquisition in the next year or two. We shouldn't blow it on the small chance that Smith is a minor upgrade over Nene.