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Re: Woj: Lakers trade Wagner, Bonga, Jones, '22 2nd rder to Wizards 

Post#1481 » by payitforward » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm

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nate33 wrote:This is really encouraging.

There's really only 1 reason to do this. It's to trade Simmons to a team in exchange for an equivalent $5.7M dollar contract. The other team will take Simmons and then waive him and save $4.7M because only $1M of his contract is guaranteed. Basically, we save them $4.7. They incentivize us by giving us a pick. Or at the very least, they incentivize us by giving back a player more useful than Simmons.

What's interesting to me is that we don't really need to use Simmons in this manner because we have the Markieff TPE lying around that can accomplish the same thing. The fact that they altered Simmons contract to make this type of move must be because they are already planning to use that TPE to make even MORE moves to buy bad contracts in exchange for picks.

It really looks like the team is going all in on sucking this year. They're not going to bother even trying to win games by adding vets, they're just going to develop talent for the future while accumulating assets.

Simmons straight up for Ilyasova makes sense. Milwaukee saves critical luxtax room to resign their primary free agents. We get a very capable PF - a position of need. And because Milwaukee is over a barrel, we may also get them to include a pick - at least a 2nd rounder. That's not a bad use of Simmons as an asset. Turn him into Ilyasova and a pick!

Simmons to OKC for Patrick Patterson and a pick could also make sense.

Those are good calls that have a good shot of happening, but what's the end game for Washington? Are they just trying to move up from a 32 win team to a 35 win team? I guess one positive could be moving Ilyasova at the trade deadline to a playoff team for a pick.

Agreed. What purpose would it serve?

If it gets us a pick, fine. Otherwise, why not just eat the $1m guarantee, cut Simmons, & bring back Jeff Green at a vet minimum salary? He too might be trade bait at the deadline.
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Re: Woj: Lakers trade Wagner, Bonga, Jones, '22 2nd rder to Wizards 

Post#1482 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:18 pm

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nate33 wrote:Simmons straight up for Ilyasova makes sense. Milwaukee saves critical luxtax room to resign their primary free agents. We get a very capable PF - a position of need. And because Milwaukee is over a barrel, we may also get them to include a pick - at least a 2nd rounder. That's not a bad use of Simmons as an asset. Turn him into Ilyasova and a pick!

Simmons to OKC for Patrick Patterson and a pick could also make sense.

Those are good calls that have a good shot of happening, but what's the end game for Washington? Are they just trying to move up from a 32 win team to a 35 win team? I guess one positive could be moving Ilyasova at the trade deadline to a playoff team for a pick.

Agreed. What purpose would it serve?

If it gets us a pick, fine. Otherwise, why not just eat the $1m guarantee, cut Simmons, & bring back Jeff Green at a vet minimum salary? He too might be trade bait at the deadline.

I'm assuming we get a pick in the transaction. I'm just viewing every trade as an opportunity to increase the value of an asset. Ilyasova has more value as a trade asset than a waived Jonathon Simmons and an extra $6M in Ted's wallet that can't actually be spent because there is no TPE to use it.

To your question about why not just sign Jeff Green? I say do both! Then trade both of them at the Trade Deadline.

Asset accumulation. If you can turn nothing into something, and then something into a better something, do it.
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Re: Woj: Lakers trade Wagner, Bonga, Jones, '22 2nd rder to Wizards 

Post#1483 » by payitforward » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:40 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Those are good calls that have a good shot of happening, but what's the end game for Washington? Are they just trying to move up from a 32 win team to a 35 win team? I guess one positive could be moving Ilyasova at the trade deadline to a playoff team for a pick.

Agreed. What purpose would it serve?

If it gets us a pick, fine. Otherwise, why not just eat the $1m guarantee, cut Simmons, & bring back Jeff Green at a vet minimum salary? He too might be trade bait at the deadline.

I'm assuming we get a pick in the transaction. I'm just viewing every trade as an opportunity to increase the value of an asset. Ilyasova has more value as a trade asset than a waived Jonathon Simmons and an extra $6M in Ted's wallet that can't actually be spent because there is no TPE to use it.

To your question about why not just sign Jeff Green? I say do both! Then trade both of them at the Trade Deadline.

Asset accumulation. If you can turn nothing into something, and then something into a better something, do it.

Oh, I agree completely. If we can trade Simmons & get a R2 pick back, we'll have spent a net $3m in return for two not one R2 picks. Another strong piece of work by Tommy. He's impressing me.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1484 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:41 pm

I keep forgetting about Jeff Green. It does seem he likes being at home. But, he of course would want to win a title somewhere, right?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1485 » by DCZards » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:11 pm

FAH1223 wrote:I keep forgetting about Jeff Green. It does seem he likes being at home. But, he of course would want to win a title somewhere, right?


I expect the Zards to try to resign Green. The more youth that gets added to the roster the more likely that the Zards (and Beal) will want a vet presence like Uncle Jeff around to help babysit. :)
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1486 » by WallToWall » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:14 pm

This is shaping up to be one of the more exciting, or at least interesting, off-seasons for the Wizards. I cant wait to see how it all unfolds.
1. Who will the next GM be? Shep? Someone else?
2. Who will the next president of basketball operations be?
3. What will the Wizards do with their 4567 forwards on the team?
a. more trades to be made?
b. more picks to be had?
4. who will the Wizards sign?
5. What is Wall's status as the next season closes in? What will we do with him, if anything?
6. What will we do with Beal?
7. How will we erase EG's mistakes?
8. Will Ted relinquish urinal cakes selection to the next president of basketball ops?
...and more...
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1487 » by Gig18 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:32 pm

WallToWall wrote:This is shaping up to be one of the more exciting, or at least interesting, off-seasons for the Wizards. I cant wait to see how it all unfolds.
1. Who will the next GM be? Shep? Someone else?
2. Who will the next president of basketball operations be?
3. What will the Wizards do with their 4567 forwards on the team?
a. more trades to be made?
b. more picks to be had?
4. who will the Wizards sign?
5. What is Wall's status as the next season closes in? What will we do with him, if anything?
6. What will we do with Beal?
7. How will we erase EG's mistakes?
8. Will Ted relinquish urinal cakes selection to the next president of basketball ops?
...and more...

I'm wondering if we can turn Portis into anything via sign-and-trade. It would be such a waste to get nuthin out of the Porter deal. It sounds like there's little chance he's going to sign with us. I guess everything depends upon the size of the offers he may get.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1488 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:38 pm

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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1489 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:08 pm

Would you go all out on a full MLE offer if you could get R. Holmes with that deal? I don't know if that's does it but he might be one of those guys who gets under looked and left out of the big money

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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1490 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:45 pm

DCZards wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:I keep forgetting about Jeff Green. It does seem he likes being at home. But, he of course would want to win a title somewhere, right?


I expect the Zards to try to resign Green. The more youth that gets added to the roster the more likely that the Zards (and Beal) will want a vet presence like Uncle Jeff around to help babysit. :)

I think Green wants to stay here, but I also think he will be tempted to join either LA or Golden State, as both teams are title contenders in desperate need of cheap depth.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1491 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:47 pm

Gig18 wrote:
WallToWall wrote:This is shaping up to be one of the more exciting, or at least interesting, off-seasons for the Wizards. I cant wait to see how it all unfolds.
1. Who will the next GM be? Shep? Someone else?
2. Who will the next president of basketball operations be?
3. What will the Wizards do with their 4567 forwards on the team?
a. more trades to be made?
b. more picks to be had?
4. who will the Wizards sign?
5. What is Wall's status as the next season closes in? What will we do with him, if anything?
6. What will we do with Beal?
7. How will we erase EG's mistakes?
8. Will Ted relinquish urinal cakes selection to the next president of basketball ops?
...and more...

I'm wondering if we can turn Portis into anything via sign-and-trade. It would be such a waste to get nuthin out of the Porter deal. It sounds like there's little chance he's going to sign with us. I guess everything depends upon the size of the offers he may get.

The answer to your question is, "nothing".

You don't get value for mediocre free agents who want a lot of money.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1492 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:59 pm

Back to Wizards talk. From The Athletic.




By Fred Katz Jun 28, 2019

Whom could the Wizards acquire with their mid-level exception and their remaining large trade exception?

The Wizards have two ways to acquire chunky salaried players this summer without having to give anyone up. Both require the nerdiest of explanations regarding the collective bargaining agreement.

They can use the full mid-level exception (MLE), a tool that allows teams over the salary cap but not in the luxury tax to sign players for up to four years at a starting salary of $9.2 million. They also own an $8.6 million trade exception (TPE), which is a bit more complicated but in its simplest terms means they can absorb a salary of $8.7 million — yes, $8.7 million — without having to send back any money in return.

So far this summer, the Wizards have used two other trade exceptions, turning to one to add young talent during Thursday’s deal with the Lakers and another to take on an unwanted contract (Jonathon Simmons’) and thus also acquire a draft pick as a sweetener. The Wizards also received a second-rounder in the Los Angeles swap.

Half the players in the league are free agents this summer. And other teams will try to get rid of consequential salaries without receiving dollars in return. With that in mind, here are some players the Wizards could eye for either exception once free agency begins at 6 p.m. on Sunday:

Candidates for the MLE
Cory Joseph, point guard
Unrestricted free agent

The Wizards are placing Tomas Satoransky at the top of their to-do list to begin free agency, as The Athletic detailed Thursday morning, but that doesn’t mean an agreement between the two sides is a guarantee. And if they don’t end up bringing back their only player with experience starting at point guard in the NBA, they’ll have to find someone else. And they’ll likely have to use the MLE to do it.

The Wizards might not be competitive next year, but employing a competent starting point guard is a must, especially if they bring back promising free-agent center Thomas Bryant, another priority of theirs. Young players, especially big men, need facilitators to get them the ball. If they don’t have that, development can stunt. Bad habits start to arise. The Wizards don’t want any part of a situation so problematic.

Even if Satoransky does return, they could use another lead guard. And they’ve already shown interest in Joseph, as our own Shams Charania reported earlier this week.

The fit would make sense. He’s a 27-year-old two-way player who can run a bench attack for 16 minutes a night while also playing alongside starters for added burn. Though his 3-point-shooting numbers are inconsistent, he’s actually similar to Satoransky in that his catch-and-shoot ones have been respectable for the past two years in Indiana.

Elfrid Payton, point guard
Unrestricted free agent

Payton may just be too expensive for the Wizards, even if he did earn far less than the MLE after a summer of searching last July. A strong finish to the season, however, could propel someone to make a slightly larger offer to the former lottery pick who’s still only 25 years old.

He reeled off five consecutive triple-doubles with the Pelicans in March. Not many point guards can do that. But he also still doesn’t shoot 3s. His scoring is inconsistent. And defenders feel comfortable sagging off him, which clusters offenses more.

He probably fits better as a starter than as a backup — and he could earn a first-string role elsewhere if he couldn’t get one with the Wizards. But if they like Payton and he’s in a pinch, they have something many other teams don’t: Minutes. And if Payton sees a chance to earn some of those, his inclusion into the Wizards’ scene could make sense.

Delon Wright, point guard
Restricted free agent

There’s a good chance Wright will be out of the Wizards’ price range, but let’s add him just for kicks.

The Grizzlies acquired the 27-year-old as one of the main pieces in the Marc Gasol trade, and in all likelihood, they’re not letting him get away easily. Memphis could bring him back for a deal more expensive than the MLE. It could match on any offer sheet he signs elsewhere.

But the Grizzlies also just selected a point guard, Ja Morant, with the No. 2 pick in the draft. And if they want to shift eight-figure salaries to another position, that could mean moving on from Wright — though because he’s a lower-level restricted guy, that decision might not show until later in the free-agency period. If they cut ties, Washington could suit him, whether Satoransky is around or not.

Garrett Temple, wing
Unrestricted free agent

Where is the shooting on this roster?

Bradley Beal. Maybe Bobby Portis — depending on if the restricted free agent returns or not. And is that it? If the Wizards don’t find marksmen elsewhere, the offense will bog down to the bottom levels of the league. So, how about adding Temple, who made $8 million with the Clippers and Grizzlies last season and who is already a known commodity?

One of interim GM Tommy Sheppard’s main missions for the summer is to bring in hard workers and, as they are called colloquially, “character guys.” The Wizards, for whom Temple played from 2012 to 2016, certainly consider the 33-year-old wing firmly in that category. He won’t be as cheap as, say, bringing Jeff Green back on another minimum deal, which is a possibility no matter what happens the rest of the offseason, but he also may not cost the full MLE.

Rodney Hood, wing
Unrestricted free agent

A year ago, Rodney Hood bet on himself.

Amid a disappointing trek through restricted free agency, he decided to take a risk. He entered that season believing he had a chance to get paid. By the end of the summer, he had accepted the qualifying offer Cleveland extended him, choosing to play out the 2018-19 season on a one-year, $3.4 million deal, a decision that would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent during the summer of 2019.

Well, here he is — and one trade to Portland, one triple-overtime thriller and one Game 6 blowup against the Nuggets later, he has a chance to make more than he did this past season.

The Wizards could use shooting. They could use wing depth. They could use the scoring burst. Heck, if unrestricted free agent Trevor Ariza heads elsewhere, there’s a chance they could offer Hood a starting spot. That could be appealing.

He’s still only 26 years old. Even with his ups and downs over the past few years, there’s a reason they would like what they see.

Ed Davis, center
Unrestricted free agent

No, the Wizards most certainly do not need another center. They already have Dwight Howard and Ian Mahinmi. They’re the favorites to bring back Bryant. They just traded for Moritz Wagner from the Lakers. But here’s the thing: Beefing up with another center, as long as it’s the right one, wouldn’t have to make the team so crowded with five-men.

Even though he picked up his player option, Howard doesn’t have to be on next season’s roster. If a buyout or the J.R. Smith/Carmelo Anthony treatment isn’t a possibility, it’s still a wonder if he’s going to be able to play, considering he never returned from his November back surgery. Mahinmi’s presence, meanwhile, shouldn’t prohibit roster movement, considering he fell out of coach Scott Brooks’ rotation for most of last year.

This team was one of the NBA’s worst on the boards in 2018-19. Davis, meanwhile, posted the NBA’s third-best rebound rate, behind only Andre Drummond and Hassan Whiteside.

He put up similar production in Portland before signing with Brooklyn last summer for only $4.5 million. What if this is all his market dictates? What if he’s only slightly more expensive this time around? He’s a winning player, a helpful big who rebounds, defends and is capable around the rim.

He’s not as intuitive a positional need for the Wizards, but that doesn’t have to stop them from inquiring.

Players with significant salaries for the TPE
Patrick Patterson, Thunder power forward
Under contract through 2020

If Patterson were to hit the open market today, he’d be a minimum player, but a deal to acquire him and slide him into the Wizards’ largest TPE wouldn’t be about his production. It would be about the pieces that would come along with him.

The Thunder would like to limit their tax bill for next season. And they would probably be down to add at least one unprotected second-round pick — heck, maybe two — if it meant ridding their books of Patterson’s $5.7 million salary without receiving any money back. The Wizards, who don’t own their own second-rounder until 2024, have already acquired a couple of those over the past week. If they see an opportunity to grab one or two more, they might just take it.

Ersan Ilyasova, Bucks power forward
Under contract through 2021

The Bucks have already made one cap-clearing trade, sending Tony Snell to the Pistons, and there’s no guarantee they’d negotiate another, but if a summer of trying to re-sign helpful free agents — such as Malcolm Brogdon, Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez — turned more expensive than expected, lessening payroll in other spots remains a possibility. And one of the casualties could be Ilyasova, who makes $7 million for each of the next two years but whose salary is only partially guaranteed in 2020-21.

If Portis walks, the Wizards could use a sharpshooting power forward. And if Milwaukee is desperate enough, Washington might be able to get a second-round pick along with him, too — though the Bucks can’t trade a second-rounder until 2022 or later.

If the Wizards struggle this year, Ilyasova is someone they could flip midseason to a decent team looking for a shooting big man, as well.

And he’s not the only person they could acquire with the potential to move again later.

P.J. Tucker, Rockets power forward
Under contract through 2021

This one would require quite a specific scenario, but why not get a little crazy for the finale?

The Rockets are thought to have an interest in four-time All-Star Jimmy Butler, who will command a max contract (or close to it) in free agency this summer. And if they persuade one of the game’s best players to join forces with James Harden and Chris Paul, they will have to make room for him. That means shedding expensive contracts without taking money back.

Starting center Clint Capela’s future in Houston would be in jeopardy in that situation. So would former Sixth Man of the Year Eric Gordon’s. As would Tucker’s. The Rockets’ glue guy is under contract for two more years and makes $8.3 million in the upcoming season, meaning he’d fit into the Wizards’ TPE. And more importantly, he can still produce on both ends.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1493 » by Rafael122 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:18 pm

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Noel - klutch client. Everyone expects him to go to the Lakers.

Kornet - eh. If the Knicks don't get a big free agent, I see no reason why he wouldn't be brought back.

Ed Davis - word is he's looking at like $10 mil per year. The guy who penned this has no idea how much money is out there to spend this summer. About $100 million less than 2016.

Salah Mejri - awful. We have Mahinmi, Howard, and Bryant. Why another center?

Holmes is a solid option, but again, is he a room exception (5 mil) type of player or is he getting 8-9 million?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1494 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:28 pm

It's weird that nobody is mentioning Noah Vonleh.

I suppose now that New York no longer looks to be a front runner for any big time free agents, the Knicks may opt to keep him. But if the Knicks manage to land Durant, then they won't want Vonleh on the books for a long term contract.
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Post#1495 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:30 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Noel - klutch client. Everyone expects him to go to the Lakers.

I don't see the Lakers using their Room Minimum exception for Noel when they have so many needs to fill at guard and wing. They're only going to have the vet minimum available to use on a backup center. Noel is going to want (and get) far more than the vet minimum.

I think the Lakers might end up signing Joakim Noah as their backup center.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1496 » by Gig18 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:41 pm

nate33 wrote:
Gig18 wrote:
WallToWall wrote:This is shaping up to be one of the more exciting, or at least interesting, off-seasons for the Wizards. I cant wait to see how it all unfolds.
1. Who will the next GM be? Shep? Someone else?
2. Who will the next president of basketball operations be?
3. What will the Wizards do with their 4567 forwards on the team?
a. more trades to be made?
b. more picks to be had?
4. who will the Wizards sign?
5. What is Wall's status as the next season closes in? What will we do with him, if anything?
6. What will we do with Beal?
7. How will we erase EG's mistakes?
8. Will Ted relinquish urinal cakes selection to the next president of basketball ops?
...and more...

I'm wondering if we can turn Portis into anything via sign-and-trade. It would be such a waste to get nuthin out of the Porter deal. It sounds like there's little chance he's going to sign with us. I guess everything depends upon the size of the offers he may get.

The answer to your question is, "nothing".

You don't get value for mediocre free agents who want a lot of money.

So you don't think he'll get an offer? there have been a bunch of reports saying several teams are interested in him.
If you're interested enough to sign him, couldn't a deal be worked out?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1497 » by Rafael122 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:44 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Noel - klutch client. Everyone expects him to go to the Lakers.

I don't see the Lakers using their Room Minimum exception for Noel when they have so many needs to fill at guard and wing. They're only going to have the vet minimum available to use on a backup center. Noel is going to want (and get) far more than the vet minimum.

I think the Lakers might end up signing Joakim Noah as their backup center.


I think it's a lock. Klutch runs that team, they keep taking care of KCP when they don't need to. It's not ironic that they might have interest in JR Smith on the vet minimum b/c he's a klutch client. I don't think Noel is going to sign anything more than 1 year deal. The room exception makes sense, it's a pay raise and he'll play in LA and re-establish his market again next year.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1498 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:17 pm

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Gig18 wrote:I'm wondering if we can turn Portis into anything via sign-and-trade. It would be such a waste to get nuthin out of the Porter deal. It sounds like there's little chance he's going to sign with us. I guess everything depends upon the size of the offers he may get.

The answer to your question is, "nothing".

You don't get value for mediocre free agents who want a lot of money.

So you don't think he'll get an offer? there have been a bunch of reports saying several teams are interested in him.
If you're interested enough to sign him, couldn't a deal be worked out?

Yes, he'll get offers. And he'll probably take one of them. What incentive is there for the other team to "work out" a deal with the Wizards? Why give up anything of value for Portis if you can obtain him simply by signing him? The Wizards have no leverage.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1499 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:24 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Noel - klutch client. Everyone expects him to go to the Lakers.

I don't see the Lakers using their Room Minimum exception for Noel when they have so many needs to fill at guard and wing. They're only going to have the vet minimum available to use on a backup center. Noel is going to want (and get) far more than the vet minimum.

I think the Lakers might end up signing Joakim Noah as their backup center.


I think it's a lock. Klutch runs that team, they keep taking care of KCP when they don't need to. It's not ironic that they might have interest in JR Smith on the vet minimum b/c he's a klutch client. I don't think Noel is going to sign anything more than 1 year deal. The room exception makes sense, it's a pay raise and he'll play in LA and re-establish his market again next year.

The room exception doesn't make sense for Noel backup he'll be a backup center on a team that doesn't have a starting shooting guard or starting small forward. (I'm assuming their starting PG is Kyrie or Kemba.) If Noel signs in LA, it'll have to be for the vet minimum.

Just because he's a Klutch client doesn't mean he's going to take a way-below-market-value contract. Klutch has a responsibility for all of its players, not just Lebron.

If Klutch tries to convince Noel to turn down $5-10M a year from some other team in order to go sign in LA for $1.5M, then Noel should fire Klutch immediately.

The only way it would make any sense for Noel to sign in LA for the minimum is if they work out an under-the-table deal to get him a part in Space Jam or something. Frankly, that whole thing needs to be investigated by the NBA. LA is circumventing salary cap rules.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1500 » by nuposse04 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:26 pm

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These articles kill me.

Noel - klutch client. Everyone expects him to go to the Lakers.

Kornet - eh. If the Knicks don't get a big free agent, I see no reason why he wouldn't be brought back.

Ed Davis - word is he's looking at like $10 mil per year. The guy who penned this has no idea how much money is out there to spend this summer. About $100 million less than 2016.

Salah Mejri - awful. We have Mahinmi, Howard, and Bryant. Why another center?

Holmes is a solid option, but again, is he a room exception (5 mil) type of player or is he getting 8-9 million?


Holmes at 5 mil a year would be a good contract. He can play.

Still think they should target Vonleh if they can dump Dwight somehow (attach him to Simmons?), but I'm thinking with the addition of some of the Laker's guys they may feel they are young enough. Still Vonleh is somewhere inbetween being youthful and having a decent amount of league experience.

I'd like to see a Brown/Vonleh/Bryant front court next season. Good on the boards, oddly Bryant is the best floor spacer between them... and good defensive effort. If Vonleh continues to have a decent season (building off his last) he could maybe net a 1st come trade deadline. Finding a bargain contract right now is as much about winning games now as it is collecting assets they can use for this long ass rebuild (which could be expedited if they can somehow move Wall in the season after next).

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