Political Roundtable Part X

[AFM]

PLEASE for the love of God, stop filling this thread with alt-right conspiracy babble! Assange is a traitor to this country, and just wants revenge! Hillary is the most qualified, honest, and loyal candidate to run for office in decades.

[AFM]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-07/wikileaks-releases-hundreds-exceprts-hillary-clintons-wall-street-speech-transcripts

[Induveca]

Excerpts from her paid speeches...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/927/180

My fav so far is saying Russians have "mad scientists" with nuclear material that are a threat. This is of course after she received 10 million+ dollars to give 20% of US Uranium to a Russian company.

Both candidates really are trashy, but this borders on evil.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

[Induveca]

Some more classics, Clinton stating for all positions there must be a public and private one for someone in her office. As the public is too simple to handle the truth (they freak out).

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927#efmAYOAZDBGRBHPBzTB0RB_FCADC69C77DJtDKjFH6FIwFWjFXZ

Another great one:

Bill Clinton accepted 1 million dollar donation from Canadian bank involved in Keystone pipeline, as the debate was being held in state dept...email shows how they attempt to cover it up. Crazy.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/479

[AFM]

Some more classics, Clinton stating for all positions there must be a public and private one for someone in her office. As the public is too simple to handle the truth (they freak out).

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927#efmAYOAZDBGRBHPBzTB0RB_FCADC69C77DJtDKjFH6FIwFWjFXZ

Another great one:

Bill Clinton accepted 1 million dollar donation from Canadian bank involved in Keystone pipeline, as the debate was being held in senate...email shows how they attempt to cover it up. Crazy.

See my link 3 posts up. ZH did a good job summarizing all the big stories so far.

Not that I pay attention to alt-right conspiracies.

[AFM]

Has anyone thought about what song Donald should walk out to when accepts the presidency?

I was thinking Billy Idol - Rebel Yell

Watch on YouTube

That would be unbelievably sick


And then he pops the dougie in front of the podium as Putin rises up from the convention floor

They both put on sunglasses at the same time

absolute fire

[keynote]

Another one just a quick glance, the NYTimes apparently runs all Trump articles by Clinton's campaign manager prior to publication, even first drafts which they help to edit...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844

There's a lot assumption and extrapolation baked into that "apparently." It's my understanding that it's not uncommon for reporters to send drafts and embargoed stories to sources to solicit comment. And, that doesn't mean that the source can (or does) exercise any editorial control over the final version.

[Induveca]

Another one just a quick glance, the NYTimes apparently runs all Trump articles by Clinton's campaign manager prior to publication, even first drafts which they help to edit...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844

There's a lot assumption and extrapolation baked into that "apparently." It's my understanding that it's not uncommon for reporters to send drafts and embargoed stories to sources to solicit comment. And, that doesn't mean that the source can (or does) exercise any editorial control over the final version.

There are over a dozen I've found so far. And this is just 2000 of the 50,000 they have.

[keynote]

Another one just a quick glance, the NYTimes apparently runs all Trump articles by Clinton's campaign manager prior to publication, even first drafts which they help to edit...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844

There's a lot assumption and extrapolation baked into that "apparently." It's my understanding that it's not uncommon for reporters to send drafts and embargoed stories to sources to solicit comment. And, that doesn't mean that the source can (or does) exercise any editorial control over the final version.

There are over a dozen I've found so far. And this is just 2000 of the 50,000 they have.

Again: I'm not disputing whether reporters send story drafts to affected camps and sources. I'd wager that GOP staffers have received drafts in the past as well (I don't know if Trump staffers have in particular -- his campaign is so nontraditional, that I don't know whether his staffers have as much experience bartering leaks and quotes for access).

I'm saying this practice, in and of itself, is not evidence that the NYT (or any media outlet) has ceded editorial control to that source.

Have you found exchanges where Clinton's camp sends back edits -- and the NYT accepts them as if they're marching orders?

[DCZards]

Read on Twitter

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This election is over...Trump was already slipping in the polls, and now this. Say hello to our nation's first female president.

[nate33]

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This election is over...Trump was already slipping in the polls, and now this. Say hello to our nation's first female president.

In a sane world with an unbiased media, I would expect the media to focus more on policy issues. After all, Hillary said this in one of her speeches with the banks:

My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.

In the roles were reversed, the media would run cover for the Democrat candidate, saying it was a private comment in his personal life and had nothing to do with public policy. Bill Clinton likely raped a woman and still got elected for crying out loud. Ted Kennedy left a woman to die and was still a favored liberal figure.

But you are right, with the way the deck is stacked against Trump in the media, this comment could finish him off.

[nate33]

Another gem from Hillary Clinton:



Yeah, you need a "public position" to fool the voters, and a "private position" so you can collude with your donors to screw the public over.

But Trump said really crass things about women 11 years ago, so that's what's important.

[AFM]

Another gem from Hillary Clinton:



Yeah, you need a "public position" to fool the voters, and a "private position" so you can collude with your donors to screw the public over.

But Trump said really crass things about women 11 years ago, so that's what's important.

What would it say about this country to elect someone who speaks about having intercourse with women this way?

#I'mWithHer

[Induveca]

There's a lot assumption and extrapolation baked into that "apparently." It's my understanding that it's not uncommon for reporters to send drafts and embargoed stories to sources to solicit comment. And, that doesn't mean that the source can (or does) exercise any editorial control over the final version.

There are over a dozen I've found so far. And this is just 2000 of the 50,000 they have.

Again: I'm not disputing whether reporters send story drafts to affected camps and sources. I'd wager that GOP staffers have received drafts in the past as well (I don't know if Trump staffers have in particular -- his campaign is so nontraditional, that I don't know whether his staffers have as much experience bartering leaks and quotes for access).

I'm saying this practice, in and of itself, is not evidence that the NYT (or any media outlet) has ceded editorial control to that source.

Have you found exchanges where Clinton's camp sends back edits -- and the NYT accepts them as if they're marching orders?

I've found 10 so far but there is no rhyme or reason to titling:

Approaching producers at 60 Minutes to "get ahead" of a story:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/914

Lots of talk of "earned media credits".

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1682

Mentioning articles they got posted on "Jeb and others"

2008 getting Politico to do an oped on McCain

Here they are having a regular writer (and eventual Obama surrogate) edit/then stop a column in the Washington Post Outlook section.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1823

[verbal8]

Did anyone watch the vice-presidential debate? Any part of it? Thoughts?

I saw it and I thought Pence did a good job....as far as his own future prospects.

Imo, he did a good job demonstrating his conservative credentials.

Now as for helping Trump? I don't see it.

He basically denied every vile thing Trump has ever uttered.

Don't think his performance (or Kaine's) is really going to change many hearts and minds.

I think Pence won in terms of looking better than Kaine in the debate.

However I think what Kaine accomplished in the debate was keeping it basically about Trump the whole time. While Pence did successful present himself as the "generic", "electable" republican that would theoretically easily beat Clinton, he didn't do much to bring Trump into that image.

[Induveca]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1840

Another email from a Clinton fanatic/plant at "The Hill" and "Huffington Post" muscling NY Times over a planned "Clinton Cash" article.

**This is a direct plant into the Washington Post which they happily accept, edit a bit and ask the Clinton camp if it's good enough.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/210

Amanda Brewington is their connection, and she ran the entire op-ed section as editor. She's now at The Wall Street Journal.

[FAH1223]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1840

Another email from a Clinton fanatic/plant at "The Hill" and "Huffington Post" muscling NY Times over a planned "Clinton Cash" article.

**This is a direct plant into the Washington Post which they happily accept, edit a bit and ask the Clinton camp if it's good enough.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/210

It's amazing Bernie Sanders did as well as he did in the primaries.

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Hmm. So, do you think the NYT reporters are weak for getting muscled over? Or do you think they're biased?

I suppose that bias *might* be at play, but I'm not convinced. Reporter/source relationships can't be totally one-sided in favor of the reporter (source gives reporter scoop after scoop; reporter gives nothing in return). Otherwise, why would the source give scoops at all? They'd just issue press releases, tweet, etc. In the sports journalism world, Woj *has* to be giving his sources something in order to continue to get (seemingly) preferential access to scoops over his peers. But I don't fully know what that is. So, the two questions are:
1) What can/should a reporter give to a source that is enough to maintain/deepen a mutually-beneficial relationship?
2) At what point is that reporter giving too much? I.e., at what point does the reporter/source relationship become so one-sided in the source's favor that the reporter has violated their ethical duty?

[Induveca]

Hmm. So, do you think the NYT reporters are weak for getting muscled over? Or do you think they're biased?

I suppose that bias *might* be at play, but I'm not convinced. Reporter/source relationships can't be totally one-sided in favor of the reporter (source gives reporter scoop after scoop; reporter gives nothing in return). Otherwise, why would the source give scoops at all? They'd just issue press releases, tweet, etc. In the sports journalism world, Woj *has* to be giving his sources something in order to continue to get (seemingly) preferential access to scoops over his peers. But I don't fully know what that is. So, the two questions are:
1) What can/should a reporter give to a source that is enough to maintain/deepen a mutually-beneficial relationship?
2) At what point is that reporter giving too much? I.e., at what point does the reporter/source relationship become so one-sided in the source's favor that the reporter has violated their ethical duty?

Amanda Brewington the op-ed editor at The Post publishing op-ed pieces Clinton's staff wrote themselves to "help the administration"? And Clinton's staff saying "great job as always" strike you as a bit too much?