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Political Roundtable Part XII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1501 » by montestewart » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:34 am

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dckingsfan wrote:That is another thing I am trying to wrap my mind around. Markets hate chaos - why are the markets up?

Because things aren't as chaotic as the media would have you believe.


Posted minutes before Flynn resigns lmao

Wikileaks leaked Russian hacked photos of Flynn sexting pictures of his cell phone to Weiner's junk, pictures that Clinton thought she had erased from her insecure server. Tartbite was right, even if it was just a link to a dead website, vincetfoster.com, which proves. This is politics the way it was meant to be!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1502 » by Doug_Blew » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:40 am

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dckingsfan wrote:That is another thing I am trying to wrap my mind around. Markets hate chaos - why are the markets up?

Because things aren't as chaotic as the media would have you believe.


Posted minutes before Flynn resigns lmao


The fake media outfit Washington Post broke this story about Flynn. Without it, Flynn would still be part of the cabinet. You can see why Trump pushes the fake media agenda.

Who remembers Woodward and Bernstein?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1504 » by AFM » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:51 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1505 » by sfam » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:02 am

What an absolute hot mess. With Bannon now as a permanent member of the national security meetings, who would want the NSA job? They can't even fill the Communication Director.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1506 » by bealwithit » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:37 am


Gotta enjoy this one. Delicious.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1507 » by verbal8 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:50 am

AFM wrote:I'd rather have Ramon Sessions

Too likely to be impartial.
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Post#1508 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:41 pm

Induveca wrote:Here's the reality, the vast majority of the American/western EU populace (including 95% here) have rarely traveled outside of their home country.

Doesn't include those traveling to Mexico/Canada or South America.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1509 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:30 pm

I still don't think that Flynn committed any type of crime by talking to Russia before the Inauguration. As Charles Krauthammer said yesterday, "It's a cover up with out a crime". That said, Flynn apparently lied to Pence. Trump has few people he can trust, he certainly can't have a guy in his inner circle that he can't trust. I'm glad he resigned. Looks like the best outcome for all.

It's definitely a black eye for the Trump administration, but life goes on.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1510 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:33 pm

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Post#1511 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:50 pm

That has to be a record for the quickest resignation of a senior official. Wow

Donald, your serving of humble pie is here.
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Post#1512 » by Doug_Blew » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:58 pm

Any updates on Pizza Gate?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1513 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:01 pm

Doug_Blew wrote:Any updates on Pizza Gate?


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Post#1514 » by Wizardspride » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:03 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1515 » by Illuminaire » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:09 pm

I'm sort of with Nate on this one. I don't think it's all that unheard of for quiet backchannel communication to happen. Flynn talking to people isn't an issue to me.

Lying about it to his own boss, THAT is a problem. (And of course, if he was working for any end but the good of America, then that is a major problem too. I'm going to wait and see on that part of things. Too much hysteria in the news cycle, it usually takes a few weeks before the sober facts are available and the hyperbole is filtered out)

This is more of a black eye on Flynn than anyone else, but it does reflect poorly on Donald's hiring practices. That is one obvious, ongoing negative about the Trump whitehouse... everything is done quickly, but it's not always done well. I hope they learn from these early mistakes and take a more considered approach to future decisions.
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Post#1516 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:30 pm

Illuminaire wrote:I'm sort of with Nate on this one. I don't think it's all that unheard of for quiet backchannel communication to happen. Flynn talking to people isn't an issue to me.

Lying about it to his own boss, THAT is a problem. (And of course, if he was working for any end but the good of America, then that is a major problem too. I'm going to wait and see on that part of things. Too much hysteria in the news cycle, it usually takes a few weeks before the sober facts are available and the hyperbole is filtered out)

This is more of a black eye on Flynn than anyone else, but it does reflect poorly on Donald's hiring practices. That is one obvious, ongoing negative about the Trump whitehouse... everything is done quickly, but it's not always done well. I hope they learn from these early mistakes and take a more considered approach to future decisions.



Trump's attitude issues are bad enough, but the lack of professionalism is even more bothersome to me. Some people can be pricks but still do a good job. It is very early obviously but so far I haven't been impressed with the job Trump is doing.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1517 » by sfam » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:34 pm

nate33 wrote:I still don't think that Flynn committed any type of crime by talking to Russia before the Inauguration. As Charles Krauthammer said yesterday, "It's a cover up with out a crime". That said, Flynn apparently lied to Pence. Trump has few people he can trust, he certainly can't have a guy in his inner circle that he can't trust. I'm glad he resigned. Looks like the best outcome for all.

It's definitely a black eye for the Trump administration, but life goes on.

This really is amazing. Republicans to a person were ready to draw and quarter Hillary for not having direct control over the specific security procedures taking place at every post around the world.

Strangely now, Trump holds no responsibility for the actions of his National Security Advisor, literally the most important appointment the POTUS makes. We have a situation where the Russians impacted our election in Trump's direction, and where Trump has continually been appeasing Putin. Obama put sanctions and penalties on Russia specifically for influencing our election. Trump's NSA advisor calls the Russians the day of the sanctions saying not to worry about them - that this will be taken care of later. People not connected to the Republican party might wonder if there was a payback happening. People might really start to wonder how much Trump owes Puting financially

As far as the Republicans are now concerned, no worries here though, its in the past. Nothing to see here. Just a random NSA advisor going rogue!

And they knew about this on January 23, when the now fired acting Attorney General told the WH council. Trump didn't know about this? Are you freaking kidding me????
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1518 » by sfam » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:36 pm

Illuminaire wrote:I'm sort of with Nate on this one. I don't think it's all that unheard of for quiet backchannel communication to happen. Flynn talking to people isn't an issue to me.

Lying about it to his own boss, THAT is a problem. (And of course, if he was working for any end but the good of America, then that is a major problem too. I'm going to wait and see on that part of things. Too much hysteria in the news cycle, it usually takes a few weeks before the sober facts are available and the hyperbole is filtered out)

This is more of a black eye on Flynn than anyone else, but it does reflect poorly on Donald's hiring practices. That is one obvious, ongoing negative about the Trump whitehouse... everything is done quickly, but it's not always done well. I hope they learn from these early mistakes and take a more considered approach to future decisions.

We have the President lying on TV on this literally just yesterday ("Questions about the NSA Advisor? I haven't seen those reports.." - even though the WH was informed right after taking office). Why on earth would you think Trump had no knowledge of Flynns actions during the campaign and after winning, but prior to taking office? This is like a critical concern.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1519 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:44 pm

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nate33 wrote:I still don't think that Flynn committed any type of crime by talking to Russia before the Inauguration. As Charles Krauthammer said yesterday, "It's a cover up with out a crime". That said, Flynn apparently lied to Pence. Trump has few people he can trust, he certainly can't have a guy in his inner circle that he can't trust. I'm glad he resigned. Looks like the best outcome for all.

It's definitely a black eye for the Trump administration, but life goes on.

This really is amazing. Republicans to a person were ready to draw and quarter Hillary for not having direct control over the specific security procedures taking place at every post around the world.

Strangely now, Trump holds no responsibility for the actions of his National Security Advisor, literally the most important appointment the POTUS makes. We have a situation where the Russians impacted our election in Trump's direction, and where Trump has continually been appeasing Putin. Obama put sanctions and penalties on Russia specifically for influencing our election. Trump's NSA advisor calls the Russians the day of the sanctions saying not to worry about them - that this will be taken care of later. People not connected to the Republican party might wonder if there was a payback happening. People might really start to wonder how much Trump owes Puting financially

As far as the Republicans are now concerned, no worries here though, its in the past. Nothing to see here. Just a random NSA advisor going rogue!

And they knew about this on January 23, when the now fired acting Attorney General told the WH council. Trump didn't know about this? Are you freaking kidding me????


Good post, agree with it all.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1520 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:58 pm

The Republican investigation into what happened at Benghazi was the longest and most expensive in U.S. history, yet these coward Republicans are pretending this Russian thing is nothing to investigate. More stunning hypocrisy.

Chaffetz Won't Investigate Flynn: 'It's Taking Care Of Itself' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jason-chaffetz-michael-flynn_us_58a31aa2e4b03df370da45b9


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