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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1501 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Apr 9, 2025 7:30 am

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Harper at 2, Wolf at 19. Looks like we have 2, 19 and 41 (PHX) while the other picks were traded away.


Right. Next time everybody just listen to the doctor.

If this were our draft as of today I say we go:

2. Harper. Big combo guard.
19. Sorber. Large 4/5 interior defender.
40. JT Toppin. Hustlef#ck.

Instantly tougher, more physical, shores up the interior.

Harper gives us a 1a scorer that forces fouls on opponents. A big lead guard that siphons some possessions away from Poole. Turns him into trade bait mid season. I wish Ace proved more reliable this year, since I think his upside is higher. I think our front office might consider him anyway, based on length, youth, ranged shooting, synergy. Still, Harper adds a thing we both need and don't have. A takeover scorer, who in theory can play defense as well.

Sorber is the youngest and the biggest of the Yaxel/Rasheer/Toppin/Broome/Wolf bunch. 6'10", 255.
Won't turn 20 'til Christmas Day.
The poise and mature game he showed at Georgetown bodes well for future growth.
The fact that he had foot surgery doesn't bother us if his medicals check out.
It means he won't be able to show out at workouts, otherwise he'd go top 10 I believe.
Fine with me, we can afford to slow-play his recovery, which may help us earn back that top 8 pick.
Because if he is 100% to start the season, I think he adds enough to help the team win early.
Where we fall shortest with our current squad is in our interior defense and rebounding.
Sorber is a solid rebounder, but where he excels is in defensive positioning. He's in the right place and the right time, cuts off penetration, stays big, hard to move, and cuts off the angles with his body, bullying a player with his thickness and frame. His footwork and anticipation and understanding of angles is stellar. Really traditional old school. He reminds me of Anthony Mason, the MInister of Defense.

If Sorber's medicals are an issue I'd look at Fleming next due to his ranged shooting.
We have Sarr bombing from outside, but giving Harper more room to attack lanes is a good thing. Fleming allows us to spread the floor with 5 out, and let Harper beast on smaller guards, forcing them to foul.

That said I like Yaxel better than most, especially for his combination of flight and instinctual passing.
He'd add another above the rim lob threat. A real ath-elite. I get the interest in Danny Wolf, for passing and smart, I just think Yaxel has an athletic edge over Wolf. The fact that he's this good while being relatively new to the game suggests real upside. If I could sacrifice a few 2nds to move up and take him as well, I'd be happy.

If not I'd be happy with JT Toppin as the consolation prize at 40. He's been nearly as productive as Johni Broome but gets no press whatsoever. Plays with a chip on his shoulder. Seemingly undersized for the front court, but he has that Champagnie level moxie where he's going to outwork all opponents. He'll start on the GoGo and swiftly prove too good to keep in the G League.



I love this Doc! This is the exact draft I'm hoping for! Nice breakdown too.

At 2 I would love Harper. He is just an all around high quality player. Just knows how to play, high IQ, and he would instantly raise the level of the entire team. I like the mix and match of him and Bub together as a backcourt, the trio of Harper, Bub and AJ, and in fact any combination of Harper, Bub, AJ, Kyshawn & Colby Jones for that matter.

I'm totally with you on Sorber with our 2nd pick. Like Harper he has a combination of youth and upside, the physical tools for the position, and an already solid foundation of fundamentals and feel for the game. I also like the way he compliments and fits with Sarr, as a rotation or playing together as a tandem. Fleming would also be my Plan B. Carter Bryant would be enticing as a high upside alternative with all the tools as an option to consider if he's on the board.

If we can nab Toppin in the 2nd round, sign me up! Toughness inside and rebounding are this team's biggest weaknesses, and with Harper solidifying the backcourt, bolstering the frontcourt with the later picks makes sense. Thiero is another player to consider here IMO, as well as Beringer as a long term prospect.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1502 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Apr 9, 2025 7:37 am

Kevin Sheehan on his podcast said Walter Clayton Jr has comps of Lillard and Steph Curry, and he's going to definitely go top 10 and possibly top 5! :o
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1503 » by Jay81 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 8:51 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Kevin Sheehan on his podcast said Walter Clayton Jr has comps of Lillard and Steph Curry, and he's going to definitely go top 10 and possibly top 5! :o

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1504 » by 9 and 20 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 9:17 am

Hypothetical, since there are whispers out there in the internets -

We win #1 and Cooper Flagg makes it known he doesn't want to be in DC. What then?

Sarr did this last year, kinda, and we benefited from it. There is no #1 and #1a in this draft though. There is a clear #1 and #2.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1505 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 9, 2025 12:49 pm

tontoz wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:...So, you just take BPA and then trade some of them in time.

A bad team should always go BPA with a high pick. Fit is irrelevant with a bunch of unproven players.

Absolutely every team should always pick the best player available! You don't use the draft to balance your roster. That's what trades are for.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1506 » by doclinkin » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:04 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Hypothetical, since there are whispers out there in the internets -

We win #1 and Cooper Flagg makes it known he doesn't want to be in DC. What then?

Sarr did this last year, kinda, and we benefited from it. There is no #1 and #1a in this draft though. There is a clear #1 and #2.


You pick him. Then convince him.

He can go back to school, but you still own his draft rights. You’re just draft and stashing him at Duke.
That’s fine, embarrassing for Ted I suppose but it’s still gives us a better chance at our top eight pick.

He won’t do it anyway. Whatever the whispers say. It’s worth far too much money to come out now. And status and the jumpstart on his pro career. The thing that he has been working for his entire life.

What would be interesting though would be to see the bidding war between teams that thought they could land him if that was his public stance. As long as he wasn’t saying he only wanted to play for one team, but at that point I think Adam Silver would step in. You can’t have draft picks dictating where they want to play. Otherwise, why have a draft?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1507 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:11 pm

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9 and 20 wrote:Hypothetical, since there are whispers out there in the internets -

We win #1 and Cooper Flagg makes it known he doesn't want to be in DC. What then?

Sarr did this last year, kinda, and we benefited from it. There is no #1 and #1a in this draft though. There is a clear #1 and #2.


You pick him. Then convince him.

He can go back to school, but you still own his draft rights. You’re just draft and stashing him at Duke.
That’s fine, embarrassing for Ted I suppose but it’s still gives us a better chance at our top eight pick.

He won’t do it anyway. Whatever the whispers say. It’s worth far too much money to come out now. And status and the jumpstart on his pro career. The thing that he has been working for his entire life.

What would be interesting though would be to see the bidding war between teams that thought they could land him if that was his public stance. As long as he wasn’t saying, he only wanted to play for one team, but at that point I think Adam Silver would step in, you can’t have players dictating where they want to play. Otherwise, why have a draft?




Worst case you draft him and trade him for a big time HAUL.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1508 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:23 pm

Well, no.... If he doesn't declare for the draft he's not in the draft & you can't pick him.

That said, this is a non-issue. What if he goes back to school, & we pick him next year? Is he going to go back to Duke for his Junior year?

As well, I imagine Dawkins & Winger have pretty good reps at this point & that the Wizards look like a franchise that's on the move in very much the right direction. I don't think there will be much reluctance to play here.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1509 » by DCZards » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:23 pm

I don’t believe the whispers. Probably come from other NBA GMs. :D
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1510 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:39 pm

Simmons and Russillo were discussing this on their podcast. They brought up the point that there really aren't any terrible organizations picking at the top of the draft so there really isn't any likelihood that Flagg would do something like this. They mentioned that the Hornets have a new front office, and the Wizards new front office seems to be doing things the right way.

Ultimately, I agree with DCZards. I don't believe any whispers.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1511 » by Rafael122 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:58 pm

The longer Flagg stays in college, the longer it will take for him to make the max money. He's 18 years old, if his career goes the way most pundits suggest, he will probably be in the $500 million career earnings range by the time he's 26.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1512 » by AFM » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:01 pm

Flagg isn't even old enough to understand how historically awful we have been. When he thinks of the Wizards he probably thinks of John Wall and Bradley Beal.
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Post#1513 » by dobrojim » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:33 pm

Wall/Beal famously hit their zenith at what, 47-49 wins and one good quarter
from making the ECFs. That’s not much to hang your hat on.
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Post#1514 » by tontoz » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:41 pm

Just heard an odd stat about Ace. He shot 44% on contested catch and shoot 3s but only 25% on open catch and shoot 3s. :confused:
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Post#1515 » by doclinkin » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:43 pm

payitforward wrote:Well, no.... If he doesn't declare for the draft he's not in the draft & you can't pick him.


Okay you're right. I blanked on the early entry withdrawal deadline. My brain was way back in the Magic Bird era where players did get picked then return to school.

Though at that point there is no 'what do we do' scenario. Because he's not in the draft. We pick the next guy.

The question only comes after June 15, if he stays in the draft and doesn't want to play for the Wizards. And in that respect, what I said, you pick him then work out the details. Teams have all the leverage here.

That said. Imagine Brooklyn gets the #2. Would the Wiz trade back one spot for Harper if the Nets offered a package of the #2 plus a combo platter of this years 1RP's (they have 3 others) and next years lotto pick?

Or if the Spurs (2 picks this year and a high 2nd) luck into the #2.

It's less about what Flagg wants and more a question whether there is a package big enough that it would be a real choice whether to let him go. I don't think Ted would allow it, but as a mental exercise what deal would be too big to be passed up.
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Post#1516 » by Tyrone Messby » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:51 pm

doclinkin wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Hypothetical, since there are whispers out there in the internets -

We win #1 and Cooper Flagg makes it known he doesn't want to be in DC. What then?

Sarr did this last year, kinda, and we benefited from it. There is no #1 and #1a in this draft though. There is a clear #1 and #2.


You pick him. Then convince him.

He can go back to school, but you still own his draft rights. You’re just draft and stashing him at Duke.
That’s fine, embarrassing for Ted I suppose but it’s still gives us a better chance at our top eight pick.

He won’t do it anyway. Whatever the whispers say. It’s worth far too much money to come out now. And status and the jumpstart on his pro career. The thing that he has been working for his entire life.

What would be interesting though would be to see the bidding war between teams that thought they could land him if that was his public stance. As long as he wasn’t saying he only wanted to play for one team, but at that point I think Adam Silver would step in. You can’t have draft picks dictating where they want to play. Otherwise, why have a draft?

Eta just want a top 3 pick for our Wiz!
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Post#1517 » by Frichuela » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:57 pm

So, I went into Tankathon, did the simulation 5 times and I got: #2, #6, #1, #5, #3. A bit of everything...

If we get #2, I'd be very happy with Harper. If you compare his stats vs. Kentucky's John Wall, he does quite well:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=dylan-harper--john-wall
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Post#1518 » by Rafael122 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 3:06 pm

Frichuela wrote:So, I went into Tankathon, did the simulation 5 times and I got: #2, #6, #1, #5, #3. A bit of everything...

If we get #2, I'd be very happy with Harper. If you compare his stats vs. Kentucky's John Wall, he does quite well:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=dylan-harper--john-wall


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Post#1519 » by Dat2U » Wed Apr 9, 2025 3:13 pm

5,3,5,6,4 yikes!
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Post#1520 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 3:19 pm

4,4,2,3,2.

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