Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[nate33]

He's definitely improved. It's not even debatable lol. Raising your TS by nearly 3 percentage points is significant. Turnovers are up a bit as to be expected with a rise in free throw attempts. Simply put, he's averaging the least amount of minutes he ever has while significantly improving his PER 36 scoring.

His handle has improved, 2point percentage up nearly 5 percentage points.

He's an awful player if you're expecting him to be a first or even second option for your offense, and that's the only lens we've ever looked at him through and continue to judge him by. And that's a failure of our GM that we continue to rely on two players who aren't anywhere close to first options and putting them in that role (John, Brad).

We've got to find a way to get a first option scorer on the team so John and Brad can do what they do best.

Beal better learn how to be a first or second option scorer if he wants $20M a year. You don't play a 3rd option scorer with bad defense a max contract. You don't expect a #3 overall pick to be a 3rd option scorer. Giving him a pass because he's a second option guy is a cop out. The bottom line is that he has been disappointing.

[Dark Faze]

Beal better learn how to be a first or second option scorer if he wants $20M a year. You don't play a 3rd option scorer with bad defense a max contract. You don't expect a #3 overall pick to be a 3rd option scorer. Giving him a pass because he's a second option guy is a cop out. The bottom line is that he has been disappointing.

We'll see if the market agrees with you. I think we all would love to only make great financial deals when it comes to the Wiz, but the reality is when you do that you end up with a whole lot of nothing.

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See above, I'm hardly married to Beal, I argued for Khris Middleton for far better financial value for the Wiz. We've made our bed now though--it's going to be extremely difficult to let him walk.

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He's definitely improved. It's not even debatable lol. Raising your TS by nearly 3 percentage points is significant. Turnovers are up a bit as to be expected with a rise in free throw attempts. Simply put, he's averaging the least amount of minutes he ever has while significantly improving his PER 36 scoring.

His handle has improved, 2point percentage up nearly 5 percentage points....

Well, you definitely don't want facts to get in the way of your analysis. It was noted that his TS% went up, and that his 2 pt. % went up. Other things went down. The net is that he hasn't increased his productivity. And "LOL" really doesn't change the facts.

I'm a big Bradley Beal fan, btw. I just like to see things clearly.

[badinage]

He's definitely improved. It's not even debatable lol. Raising your TS by nearly 3 percentage points is significant. Turnovers are up a bit as to be expected with a rise in free throw attempts. Simply put, he's averaging the least amount of minutes he ever has while significantly improving his PER 36 scoring.

His handle has improved, 2point percentage up nearly 5 percentage points....

Well, you definitely don't want facts to get in the way of your analysis. It was noted that his TS% went up, and that his 2 pt. % went up. Other things went down. The net is that he hasn't increased his productivity. And "LOL" really doesn't change the facts.

I'm a big Bradley Beal fan, btw. I just like to see things clearly.

How can you be a fan -- from the word fanatic -- and insist on seeing things clearly?

There's a lot of that sentiment, though, on this board.

To be a fan means surrendering to fandom -- to seeing hope in dark places, to thinking irrationally (but joyfully!) about the team you've chosen.

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What

no it doesn't you dolt

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In a sense, you're right, badinage -- but I think it's a little different: it's more about *sticking with* the team even when it gets itself in dark places. And about being behind your players: as I wrote, "I'm a big Bradley Beal fan...."

[gambitx777]

If beal is Healthy and if he is consistency playing at lets say 80% of his full ability I'd say hes worth a max deal. but the probelem with beal is can he do that consistently and can he stay healthy.

[deneem4]

If we don't land kd I think we should go for whiteside...
I think he would be our missin piece...and he fits our age range...good compliment to Morris rebounding as well as rim protector...athetlic on the break as well...



Gortat can probably net us a mid late 1st or a really good 6th man...

[dckingsfan]

Whiteside/Morris - headcase central. No - please.

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EG to throw insane money at Carmelo
His wife OKs it since he's 3.5 hours from NYC
CHI too far
Only other major market closer to NYC to PHI and he ain't going there
Book it

[deneem4]

Whiteside/Morris - headcase central. No - please.

Morris hasn't been a head case at all with us...whiteside isn't a model athlete...but we can use some attitude

[dckingsfan]

Whiteside/Morris - headcase central. No - please.

Morris hasn't been a head case at all with us...whiteside isn't a model athlete...but we can use some attitude

Combine the pair and you will have attitude alright. A tipping point of attitude. Bad idea, IMO.

If you want to do that - combine both Morris + Gortat.

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Whiteside/Morris - headcase central. No - please.

Morris hasn't been a head case at all with us...whiteside isn't a model athlete...but we can use some attitude

Agreed about Morris -- I'm not a fan of Markieff as a player (and especially not his being worth what we gave up for him), but he seems to be a perfectly nice kid and a model teammate. Looks that way.

[gambitx777]

Whiteside is not a head case, he is a hot head. There is a big difference between the too. MWP and Marbury were head cases. Whiteside has some anger issues that need to be toned down but he is still young and those issues are controllable and the edge could help us.

[deneem4]

Whiteside/Morris - headcase central. No - please.

Morris hasn't been a head case at all with us...whiteside isn't a model athlete...but we can use some attitude

Combine the pair and you will have attitude alright. A tipping point of attitude. Bad idea, IMO.

If you want to do that - combine both Morris + Gortat.

That's the thing we don't have an enforcer defensively...that's what whiteside could bring

[Ruzious]

EG to throw insane money at Carmelo
His wife OKs it since he's 3.5 hours from NYC
CHI too far
Only other major market closer to NYC to PHI and he ain't going there
Book it

32 year old with declining stats for 3rd straight season who won't even be a free agent this offseason and has said he doesn't want to play close to old home. Growing up in Baltimore is very different from growing up in DC. Most Bomorians do not like DC. He's past his prime. Oh, and he's a good player - but not really more than that anymore.

[gambitx777]

Melo don't want to be here, and No one wants Mello here, but it would be an EG move!

[dckingsfan]

Morris hasn't been a head case at all with us...whiteside isn't a model athlete...but we can use some attitude

Combine the pair and you will have attitude alright. A tipping point of attitude. Bad idea, IMO.

If you want to do that - combine both Morris + Gortat.

That's the thing we don't have an enforcer defensively...that's what whiteside could bring

Yes, and two knuckleheads is a tipping point.

[dckingsfan]

Whiteside is not a head case, he is a hot head.

Actually he is both... IMO - I haven't seen the huge maturity jump one would expect since the Kings days. Game wise, yes. Maturity no.

[gambitx777]

Whiteside is not a head case, he is a hot head.

Actually he is both... IMO - I haven't seen the huge maturity jump one would expect since the Kings days. Game wise, yes. Maturity no.

He has not really done anything to suggest that he is a head case, like Gleen Rice III, nick young, McGee, MWP and other famous head cases. He has a temper many players who have tempers can have long and successful careers with out killing a team. But they have to learn how to control that rage. But again with Gortat does going after whiteside make sense? Sure we could trade gortat but you could have gortat come off the bench but IDK if he would be ok with doing that, but can you imagine Whiteside/gortat!

I feel like if we win the loto and get say #3or#2 we need to trade Beal and take Buddy. That would free up major cap space!
I think a sign and trade for beal to Philly makes sense,
Beal gets the max, gets to be the man,
In return we get Noel, and/or some number of picks in this years draft from philly, they need established players and those picks don't mean a whole lot to them at this point.
Some might say why don't they just sign Beal then, Well beal might want the absolute max he can get to go to philly or he can go somewhere else or just stay here. I think its a solid Idea!