Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[gambitx777]

Kuzma to GSW makes some sense. Pick wise they can give us a first and lower protections in the one we already have. Player wise they don't have a lot of salary to match up. Maybe a third team to take looney ?

GSW get : Kuz

WIZ GET : Melton, Payton , Mitchel Robinson . Wiz 2025 first, 2026 second GSW pick form NY and NYK 2026 second that Boston will have swap rights with. Protections dropped on the 2030 GSW pick owed to Washington, 2028 first from GS top 4 protected charges to 2 seconds if not conveyed.

KNY get: looney.

This trade saves both teams high tax savings.
Melton and Payton are not doing much for GS and looneys replaceable.

Robinson getting replaced with Looney helps NY now and helps their cap situation next year.

Getting control of our pick back plus lowering protections on that GS pick plus a lightly protected frost and 2 seconds for Kuz in this market is pretty good. We can cuz Melton and Payton then try to trade Robinson to a Center desperate team for something.



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[dckingsfan]

"I think", that it is highly likely that the next trade won't be so much for our assets. But rather for our cap space.

This off-season we could be down to ~ $125M in contracts. I believe there are some teams that will be willing to part with draft assets to free up cap space. I guess it could also happen this year but I think it more likely to happen in the off season...

But it could happen this season - if so, it would be for our expiring contracts. I think Kuz stays to the end of the term of his contract or the year before.

Tax Threshold: $187,897,000 so the teams that might move draft capital for cap space (next year's numbers):

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Boston Celtics      $226,047,874
Phoenix Suns        $224,069,321
Denver Nuggets      $199,480,856
Orlando Magic       $199,367,531
New York Knicks     $194,354,847
Cleveland Cavs      $191,976,005
Miami Heat          $191,512,799
Minnesota Twolves   $190,140,062
Houston Rockets     $188,050,805

[Rafael122]

I would look at the Clippers who seem to be playing better than what most people thought as a trade candidate. Something like Hyland/Tucker/Batum/FRP for Kuzma.

Warriors are interesting because they're running like a 10-11 man rotation. Moses Moody can't be traded this year apparently, so it would have to be something like Payton/Melton + a small contract. I would ask for for like 2-3 2nd round picks, and reduce the protections on the '30 pick that they owe us from top 20 protected to something like top 1 protected unless you can find a better deal than that.

[Frichuela]

I would look at the Clippers who seem to be playing better than what most people thought as a trade candidate. Something like Hyland/Tucker/Batum/FRP for Kuzma.

Warriors are interesting because they're running like a 10-11 man rotation. Moses Moody can't be traded this year apparently, so it would have to be something like Payton/Melton + a small contract. I would ask for for like 2-3 2nd round picks, and reduce the protections on the '30 pick that they owe us from top 20 protected to something like top 1 protected unless you can find a better deal than that.

Agreed. This should be on the table!

A Payton/Melton/Podziemski for Kuzma+Gill appears to work on the trade machine.

Podz is sucking this year, and there are rumors the Warriors are willing to trade him.

I'd definitely pull the trigger on a Payton/Melton/Podz + 2030 1st (top 1 protected) for Kuzma+Gill.

[Frichuela]

Not on the trade front but on the free agency side, I'd be targeting signing Aldama, who will be an RFA. He is having a great season so far and he would mix very well with Sarr.

[pcbothwel]

I figured I would bring the below conversation over from the other Thread:

Not to derail into trade talk, but this parity is PERFECT for us as sellers.

18 Buyers:
7: Teams with multiple All-NBA & AS caliber players in their prime, vying for a chip:
Cleveland, Boston, OKC, Dallas, Memphis, Knicks, and Denver

4: Teams that are a bit older and lack depth, but have the elite talent/Championship pedigree:
GSW, Suns, Lakers and Bucks

4: Teams that are underperforming, but are a "Pot Committed" and will still try for a playoff run:
LAC, Miami, TWolves, and Kings

3: Teams that have been tanking/bad but have their cornerstone high draft picks and are winning games:
HOU, ORL, and Spurs

7 "Who the Hell Knows"
4: Teams that THOUGHT they would be in the 2nd round of the playoffs, but are underperforming:
Pacers, Hawks, 76ers, and NOP

3: Teams that were HOPING that the BBall gods would give them a break:
Portland, Toronto, Detroit

5 Sellers
2: Below average teams looking to sell off assets and begin tank
Bulls & Nets

3: Bottom Feeders.
WAS, Charlotte & UTAH

You also have the categories of teams that are in cap hell or in danger of it. Malcolm Brogdon is a player who is both useful for a team trying to make a deeper playoff run and has a sizable expiring contract. I can see contenders willing to bid on him for both aspects: postseason run + offseason flexibility.

Cap Hell. (2nd apron, can't make 2-for-1 trades)
PHX (can't trade any picks though since they are all already promised or swapped)
MIN (already traded their future to Utah for Rudy)
BOS (heaps of picks, and former 6MOY Brogdon is a great fit, except they don't need him)
MIL (Has no picks until forever)

Cap danger. (Tippytoeing the 2nd apron).
NYK (they have our pick if we ever end up good, but otherwise have shipped their future to the Nets)
LAL (have picks, and need a back-up PG and center, but are looking towards a post LeBJ future)
...
MIA (have all their picks, need a PG, Brogdon is an ideal fit, but an aging team that probably wants to re-fresh post-Jimmy).
DEN (future picks ship to Orlando and OKC)
PHI (picks encumbered various ways).
GSW (have all their picks and have breathing room after parting with Klay and CP3, but failed to make a big FA splash this past offseason, extra cap would help. Brogdon and JV are good fits with their style).

I see 3 value propositions we have to offer that can be used separately, or in conjunction with each other:
1) Brogdon: Versatile Guard for a Chip run THIS YEAR. We're talking about a starting caliber player on a playoff team...when healthy. Given his age, injury, and contract... No team is looking at him for multiple years/Bird rights.
Best Fits: GSW - THE BEST FIT: They need another lead guard as they have NO ONE other than a soon to be 37 y/o Curry. Brogdon fits their play style, and their contract match PERFECTLY with a Melton+GP2 for Brogdon swap
ORL - Not the perfect timeline, but their 2 lead guards (Suggs/Black) are not pure PG's and simply turn the ball over too much and dont shoot it well. Brogdon is the perfect low TO, elite shooting guard for them.
LAL - They need more help than Brogdon and are short on assets, but they NEED a High IQ lead Guard.

2) JV/Kuz: Rotational vets locked in fair/manageable contracts. Not worth more than a middling 2nd, but if combined with financial relief, they could yield a protected 1st.
Best Fits: For Kuz: NOP/Twolves - Both need a cost-controlled contract and have more expensive player that needs to be moved (Ingram/Randle). Kuz would allow both teams to save tons of money and continue with their current core.
MIA - A Kuz for Robinson + deal seems to fit really well.

For JV: HOU/LAL both need

3) Financial Relief:
Best Fits: NOP (2M), LAC (2.5M), DAL(5.3M), GSW (5.7M) are within striking distance of being under the Tax, while Philly ($4.6M) should aim to get under the 1st apron. The TWolves are also in trouble as they are fledgling and WAY above the 2nd Apron (~100M Tax bill this year !!!)

In closing, I prioritize moving Brogdon due to contract type and injury history. If he goes on a heater over the next month, we have to move him well before the deadline.
I also keep an eye on the NOP/Twolves situation to see if we can get the better talent (Ingram/Randle) in exchange for the better value/contract (Kuz).

[payitforward]

I see 3 value propositions we have to offer that can be used separately, or in conjunction with each other:
1) Brogdon: (gsw) They need another lead guard as they have NO ONE other than a soon to be 37 y/o Curry. Brogdon fits their play style, and their contract match PERFECTLY with a Melton+GP2 for Brogdon swap....

??
Why would we want Melton or GP2?

[pcbothwel]

I see 3 value propositions we have to offer that can be used separately, or in conjunction with each other:
1) Brogdon: (gsw) They need another lead guard as they have NO ONE other than a soon to be 37 y/o Curry. Brogdon fits their play style, and their contract match PERFECTLY with a Melton+GP2 for Brogdon swap....

??
Why would we want Melton or GP2?

Ummm. We don’t. We want whatever asset comes with them

[9 and 20]

It's almost December 15. Who's excited about two more second round picks for JV??

Hope Dawkins is able to pull off something good. Would be very happy to see Kuz shipped out.

[AFM]

Dawkins better be reaching in that Santa bag for a lil Xmas magic. All we've been getting is big steaming piles of coal, for the past 40 years.

[tontoz]

It's almost December 15. Who's excited about two more second round picks for JV??

Hope Dawkins is able to pull off something good. Would be very happy to see Kuz shipped out.

I just want the vets shipped out. I don't really care what we get back.

The only time this team was really watchable was when the young guys were playing all together, a lot of energy and fast ball movement.

Bub playing off the ball next to Poole or Brogdon is a snoozefest. Maybe it will help him learn to catch and shoot effectively but other than that it seems like a waste.

[pcbothwel]

It's almost December 15. Who's excited about two more second round picks for JV??

Hope Dawkins is able to pull off something good. Would be very happy to see Kuz shipped out.

I just want the vets shipped out. I don't really care what we get back.

The only time this team was really watchable was when the young guys were playing all together, a lot of energy and fast ball movement.

Bub playing off the ball next to Poole or Brogdon is a snoozefest. Maybe it will help him learn to catch and shoot effectively but other than that it seems like a waste.

As long as Brogdon, along with 1 Center (JV or Bagley/Holmes) are traded, then we can be content.
There is no market for Poole's skillset in this market, and Kuz has been unproductive and hurt...Maybe he comes back and has strong 25 game run leading into Feb, but not counting on it.

But we NEED to get something for Brogdon.
Im still pissed about Tyus Jones. Guy is a near 60 TS PG with 7:1 AST:TOV ratio, and we got NOTHING for him.

[tontoz]

As long as Brogdon, along with 1 Center (JV or Bagley/Holmes) are traded, then we can be content.
There is no market for Poole's skillset in this market, and Kuz has been unproductive and hurt...Maybe he comes back and has strong 25 game run leading into Feb, but not counting on it.

But we NEED to get something for Brogdon.
Im still pissed about Tyus Jones. Guy is a near 60 TS PG with 7:1 AST:TOV ratio, and we got NOTHING for him.

Tyus signed a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Suns. There was no trade market for him.

[Benjammin]

As long as Brogdon, along with 1 Center (JV or Bagley/Holmes) are traded, then we can be content.
There is no market for Poole's skillset in this market, and Kuz has been unproductive and hurt...Maybe he comes back and has strong 25 game run leading into Feb, but not counting on it.

But we NEED to get something for Brogdon.
Im still pissed about Tyus Jones. Guy is a near 60 TS PG with 7:1 AST:TOV ratio, and we got NOTHING for him.

Tyus signed a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Suns. There was no trade market for him.

Supposedly there was last year's trade deadline but it would have been some number of second round picks reportedly.

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[payitforward]

...Im still pissed about Tyus Jones. Guy is a near 60 TS PG with 7:1 AST:TOV ratio, and we got NOTHING for him.

Tyus signed a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Suns. There was no trade market for him.

Thank you for making this point. I wonder how long we'll have to read these kinds of comments about Jones.

No one wanted Tyus Jones. No one. He signed for the vet minimum.

Why was that? I don't know, & it makes no sense to me. But that's the way it was. Hence, there's nothing whatever to "still" -- or EVER be pissed about.

[AFM]

...Im still pissed about Tyus Jones. Guy is a near 60 TS PG with 7:1 AST:TOV ratio, and we got NOTHING for him.

Tyus signed a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Suns. There was no trade market for him.

Thank you for making this point. I wonder how long we'll have to read these kinds of comments about Jones.

No one wanted Tyus Jones. No one. He signed for the vet minimum.

Why was that? I don't know, & it makes no sense to me. But that's the way it was. Hence, there's nothing whatever to "still" -- or EVER be pissed about.

I think Dat made a post about how small game manager PGs are really not valued around the league anymore.

[gambitx777]

Tyus signed a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Suns. There was no trade market for him.

Thank you for making this point. I wonder how long we'll have to read these kinds of comments about Jones.

No one wanted Tyus Jones. No one. He signed for the vet minimum.

Why was that? I don't know, & it makes no sense to me. But that's the way it was. Hence, there's nothing whatever to "still" -- or EVER be pissed about.

I think Dat made a post about how small game manager PGs are really not valued around the league anymore.

Or we could put out tin foil hats on and say it was beal and his agent and the suns. That the fix was in and Jones knew where he was going and for what and they have a hand shake deal to make it good later on and beal the agents and the suns **** us one more time lol.

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[payitforward]

Oh... & if someone had offered Tyus $4m instead of $3m he wouldn't have taken it, b/c "the fix was in?"

Sheesh....

[payitforward]

...and beal the agents and the suns **** us one more time lol.

Just one more once...

a. Beal didn't do anything wrong to us. This is a business. It was his JOB to get himself the best contract he was able to get.
b. Beal's agent didn't do anything wrong to us. This is a business. They represent Brad's interests. It's their job to max out his benefit.
c. The Suns didn't do anything wrong to us. They made an offer. No doubt there was some back & forth, & in the end we took the best offer we could get for Bradley Beal, because -- after all -- this is a business.

We gave Brad an absolutely idiotic contract -- that's where the problem was. There & nowhere else.

[Benjammin]

And now they're stuck with Beal so it's all good.

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