Otto Porter Part 2

[nate33]

Keep in mind that the cap is not projected to escalate in the next few years. Indeed, it may decline. With a flat or declining cap, and an increasing number of player signed to modern-cap-era contracts, there is likely to be much less cap room chasing free agents in 2020, 2021 and 2022. With that the case, it is pretty unlikely that Porter will find himself in a scenario where opting out will be a good move for him. A player option just isn't the incentive it would normally be.

So nate, help me understand the cap situation. We sit at 98 million after the mike Scott deal, so we need to stay below the salary cap to then re sign Otto to the max? And does Bojans 4.6 QO come off whenever he signs with another team and we decline to match?

Is the more likely scenario that we acquire a TPE for Bojan, re sign Otto, go over the cap and into the luxury tax, and then use the TMLE and a TPE? I can't see them having enough room to make any trade with the an acquired TPE to take on even more salary, AND then using the full non taxpayer MLE and still being able to re sign Otto, or can they go over the salary cap and then still re sign Otto into the lux tax??? I'm forgetting how that works from the Beal situation

We were never below the cap because, at all times, we dedicated cap holds for Otto and Bojan. Otto's cap hold is $14.7M, Bojan's is $7.8M. Those holds count when you calculate our cap number. As of right now, our cap number is $122.4M. We used our Bi-Annual Exemption on Meeks. We still have the full MLE at our disposal, though it is unlikely we will use it.

What is likely to happen is that Bojan will be renounced once someone extends a strong offer. Porter will be matched or signed to a deal of our design (probably starting at about $21M). Those two cap holds will come off the books and Porter's actual salary will go on the books. At that point, our cap number will be about $121M (plus or minus the difference between Otto's actual salary and my $21M estimate).

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SAC just signed Z-Bo and George Hill to fairly large deals. I assume this means that they don't have the money to offer Porter the max any more.

[NatP4]

Keep in mind that the cap is not projected to escalate in the next few years. Indeed, it may decline. With a flat or declining cap, and an increasing number of player signed to modern-cap-era contracts, there is likely to be much less cap room chasing free agents in 2020, 2021 and 2022. With that the case, it is pretty unlikely that Porter will find himself in a scenario where opting out will be a good move for him. A player option just isn't the incentive it would normally be.

So nate, help me understand the cap situation. We sit at 98 million after the mike Scott deal, so we need to stay below the salary cap to then re sign Otto to the max? And does Bojans 4.6 QO come off whenever he signs with another team and we decline to match?

Is the more likely scenario that we acquire a TPE for Bojan, re sign Otto, go over the cap and into the luxury tax, and then use the TMLE and a TPE? I can't see them having enough room to make any trade with the an acquired TPE to take on even more salary, AND then using the full non taxpayer MLE and still being able to re sign Otto, or can they go over the salary cap and then still re sign Otto into the lux tax??? I'm forgetting how that works from the Beal situation

We were never below the cap because, at all times, we dedicated cap holds for Otto and Bojan. Otto's cap hold is $14.7M, Bojan's is $7.8M. Those holds count when you calculate our cap number. As of right now, our cap number is $122.4M. We used our Bi-Annual Exemption on Meeks. We still have the full MLE at our disposal, though it is unlikely we will use it.

What is likely to happen is that Bojan will be renounced once someone extends a strong offer. Porter will be matched or signed to a deal of our design (probably starting at about $21M). Those two cap holds will come off the books and Porter's actual salary will go on the books. At that point, our cap number will be about $121M (plus or minus the difference between Otto's actual salary and my $21M estimate).

So they can acquire a TPE in a Bojan sign and trade, and then use part of it to acquire Barton in exchange for a draft pick? Then still use the full 8.4 MLE to go into the luxury tax at around $132 million??

But really what you're saying is that Ernie will be cheap and not use the MLE or make a trade to take on more salary?

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[Error Afflalo]

That's a pretty big development. I guess the Nets are the main threat now.

[pcbothwel]

That's a pretty big development. I guess the Nets are the main threat now.

Man. I dont see anyone would want any part of that Nets team for 2 years. Mozgov/Nicholson make up 22M each of the next 3 years and they have no picks.
They are going to be a bottom 3 team this year and not much better the following year. You then hope they can sign a max player to go with Otto some time in the next 3 years, but even then they are a mediocre team that is reliant on Russell breaking out.

Otto seems too cerebral/humble to take on that sort of task along with being in NY spotlight. I have to believe he gets their offer sheet and prays we then comeback with a better offer.... No way he really wants that situation.

Im trying to gauge who the 3rd team is. Philly and Kings used their cap space. Suns have Jackson and Warren, Hawks have Prince and Bazemore, Boston has Brown and Crowder, and the Mavs have Barnes.
Maybe Chicago is the sleeper team. They have space and their 4 other positions seem pretty set

[youngthegiant]

Any interest in a s&t with Denver??? We have Chandler, Faried, Barton, Nelson, Mudiay, Trey Lyles, Draft picks available in any max deal for Porter??

[BigA]

Would any of the teams that don't get Hayward then offer Otto?

[dckingsfan]

Would any of the teams that don't get Hayward then offer Otto?

Miami?

[BigA]

Would any of the teams that don't get Hayward then offer Otto?

Miami?

I'm having a conversation with someone discussing this board and Miami came up.

[NatP4]

Any interest in a s&t with Denver??? We have Chandler, Faried, Barton, Nelson, Mudiay, Trey Lyles, Draft picks available in any max deal for Porter??

Chandler, Barton, Lyles, Mudiay deal lol.

[dckingsfan]

Any interest in a s&t with Denver??? We have Chandler, Faried, Barton, Nelson, Mudiay, Trey Lyles, Draft picks available in any max deal for Porter??

Chandler, Barton, Lyles, Mudiay deal lol.

Hard to make the money work. Given that we wouldn't want Faried or Arthur and Porter is near to $25M. You would basically have to gut the team, no?

[Dark Faze]

Kings are out of the Porter race.

The Nets are the only team that stands in the way of us getting a deep discount on Porter now..

[Kanyewest]

Would any of the teams that don't get Hayward then offer Otto?

That's certainly a possibility, for Boston and Miami.

[Dark Faze]

Neither team would do it. Both have much bigger talents in their sights than Otto.

[dckingsfan]

Neither team would do it. Both have much bigger talents in their sights than Otto.

Hoping you are right... but worried that Kanyewest is right.

[Kanyewest]

Neither team would do it. Both have much bigger talents in their sights than Otto.

Perhaps Boston and/or Miami want to hold onto their cap space in the summer of 2018 but as it stands right now, Porter is the 2nd best free agent remaining.

[verbal8]

Neither team would do it. Both have much bigger talents in their sights than Otto.

I could see Miami making an offer on Porter with Hayward likely going to Boston.

The Nets also seem likely to have serious interest.

[Dark Faze]

I think its suspect that we haven't seen a report yet about the Nets actually submitting an offer sheet. Feel as though they'd have done it by now.

With Hayward and Durant having both recently gotten meetings with Miami--it's clear they are a premier destination for free agents. Pat Riley is too ambitious, he will not waste time offering anything for Otto. Heat came on late last year as well--if they'd of gotten it together five games sooner they might have upset the Celtics in the first round.

[youngthegiant]

Any interest in a s&t with Denver??? We have Chandler, Faried, Barton, Nelson, Mudiay, Trey Lyles, Draft picks available in any max deal for Porter??

Chandler, Barton, Lyles, Mudiay deal lol.

Hard to make the money work. Given that we wouldn't want Faried or Arthur and Porter is near to $25M. You would basically have to gut the team, no?

Maybe ship Faried to a Third team, Chandler, Barton, Lyles to Washington. Porter to Denver, Faried to a third team.