Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

BigA · Post #1541 » by **BigA** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:18 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

"Grunfeld’s best teams can most favorably be described as cult classics."

I would say that the prime Arenas-era teams remind me of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," the Swaggy-Baltche-Javale squad was like "Pink Flamingos," and the Wall-era teams have been like "This is Spinal Tap."

payitforward · Post #1542 » by **payitforward** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:21 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
payitforward wrote:One more good move: the trade for Sam Dekker might turn out ok.

Sam's a tweener; if he can be effective at the 3, he can help us. If he can only play the 4, not so much....

Again... I dont get this. Thaddeus Young, Kelly Olynyk, Kieff, Otto, Jeff Green, Gallo, Siakim... All play the 4/5 and rebound as well as Dekker.

Yes, & I hope Dekker turns out great.

payitforward · Post #1543 » by **payitforward** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 pm

FAH1223 wrote:So... Brendan Haywood saw I mentioned him on my Instagram story. It was an NBATV clip where he said he doesn’t understand trading young for old and not getting assets.

He messaged me and said Ernie is the worst GM in the league.

I’m gonna post a screen shot.

Puh-lease!!!

pcbothwel · Post #1544 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:52 pm

queridiculo wrote:It goes without saying that Grunfeld will be back next season. How else do you explain Leonsis green lighting this awful Ariza trade?

Ehhh. Maybe if the trade was done at the deadline… But we have six weeks. It could’ve very well been sold as, we are going to see if this gives us a boost over the next month and a half. If not, we can flip him for value.

Again, that’s not to say I’m defending any of it. But I certainly wouldn’t use the Ariza trade as an immediate indicator of EG coming back.

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long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #1545 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:40 am

pcbothwel wrote:
queridiculo wrote:It goes without saying that Grunfeld will be back next season. How else do you explain Leonsis green lighting this awful Ariza trade?

Ehhh. Maybe if the trade was done at the deadline… But we have six weeks. It could’ve very well been sold as, we are going to see if this gives us a boost over the next month and a half. If not, we can flip him for value.

Again, that’s not to say I’m defending any of it. But I certainly wouldn’t use the Ariza trade as an immediate indicator of EG coming back.

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Nope. You’re right. But I would use as an indicator the fact that he’s fubar-ed things up every year just as badly and yet keeps coming back.

He’s Terminator with a porn ‘stache

FAH1223 · Post #1546 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:30 am

payitforward wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:So... Brendan Haywood saw I mentioned him on my Instagram story. It was an NBATV clip where he said he doesn’t understand trading young for old and not getting assets.

He messaged me and said Ernie is the worst GM in the league.

I’m gonna post a screen shot.

Puh-lease!!!

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1547 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:30 pm

https://youtu.be/ZORuYDxg2UM

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pcbothwel · Post #1548 » by **pcbothwel** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:47 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:https://youtu.be/ZORuYDxg2UM

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Lol... Yeah, dont care
13 & 6 on 12 shots is a TS of 47%
Out of the 30 games KO played for us this year, he had 15 games that were equal to, or better than his game last night.

I wont judge the trade until the deadline. If we flip Ariza, that is the package I will judge.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1549 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:09 pm

Fair enough. If Ariza helps gain even a round 2 pick, that's fine.

Ariza cannot be package traded with another Wizard IIRC.

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pcbothwel · Post #1550 » by **pcbothwel** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:23 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Fair enough. If Ariza helps gain even a round 2 pick, that's fine.

Ariza cannot be package traded with another Wizard IIRC.

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Correct, but that really only matters with low salary guys. Ariza making 15M will make it very easy on us to make a deal.

payitforward · Post #1551 » by **payitforward** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:21 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Fair enough. If Ariza helps gain even a round 2 pick, that's fine....

Yeah, that would make it

the 19th pick in 2015,
our R2 pick in 2015,
our R2 pick in 2019, &
Marcin Gortat

...all bundled up in return for a R2 pick.

Very skillful, Ernie.

FAH1223 · Post #1552 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:02 pm

Read on Twitter

FAH1223 · Post #1553 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:59 pm

Read on Twitter

FAH1223 · Post #1554 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:49 am

Watch on YouTube

Ernie has been a decent GM? GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE

payitforward · Post #1555 » by **payitforward** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:31 am

That is a very shallow, cursory assessment. As is obvious from the amount he leaves out -- including, btw, some of Ernie's best moves!

There have been worse GMs than Ernie -- but you have to look hard to find them. & none of those guys got to keep his job for 15 years, & demonstrate over & over his inability to pick the right player anywhere except at the very tip-top of the draft -- let alone to build an excellent team.

Earth2Ted · Post #1556 » by **Earth2Ted** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:28 pm

Someone needs to get this Masin Elije character- or anybody- to start posting stuff about Ernie.

Seriously, there has to be some dirt on him out there somewhere. The guy was a 9 year NBA player during the 80's, 4 of them in NYC. Everybody else in the league has alcohol, drugs, gambling, multiple baby mommas, or all of the above.

But not Ernie- completely and eternally above any earthly temptation or vice.

Heck, maybe if he lived a little bit, it might somehow make him a slightly less sucky GM. Couldn't hurt, right?

youngWizzy · Post #1557 » by **youngWizzy** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28 pm

The Wizards need to fire him before the 2019 Draft. No need for another wasted season and more importantly a potentially valuable pick.

Hidden Eye · Post #1558 » by **Hidden Eye** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:56 pm

GM for over a decade

FAH1223 · Post #1559 » by **FAH1223** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:05 pm

payitforward · Post #1560 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jan 3, 2019 5:10 am

In the wake of the latest trade, it is time to revise the list of Ernie's accomplishments since choosing Otto Porter #3 in the 2013 draft.

Lets start by pointing to the positive side of the ledger: in 2018 Ernie picked a player at #15 in the draft who looks like he might be promising. "Looks like" & "might be" are the best we can say so far, given how little the kid has played.

What else has he done? Well, lets start by listing the resources he used:

He's used eleven (11) R2 picks -- 2 in 2013 & every one after that all the way through 2022 -- he's used them all.
He's used 4 R1 picks, one of which was a lottery pick. That's all our R1 picks from 2014-2017.

What have we added to the team by way of those fifteen picks? Using all those picks we have acquired:

The expiring salaries of Markieff Morris & Trevor Ariza. & Sam Dekker. That's it.

Trevor Ariza is a short term rental, & Kieff is simply a bad player. Dekker is a maybe as a player, & he's also a maybe to keep past this year.

If we decide not to re-sign Sam Dekker, then we will have gotten nothing at all -- a complete zero -- for 15 draft picks.

Note: I haven't bothered to list our ownership of Aaron White's NBA rights as something we've gotten, as he'll never play in the NBA. & I speculate the same about our ownership of the NBA rights to Issuf Sanon.