Wizards 2019 Draft thread. (Tank for Zion, or OTHER NAME HERE)

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he might be afforded a greater benefit of doubt but in his first 6-7 games, barrett showed who he was from the get-go. only 2 games shooting 50%, 4 games shooting in the 30's, and going 14/42 from 3, 25/40 from the FT line.

compare that to Garland's 16ppg on 65.7 TS%, and Bol's 21 ppg on 63.2% TS%, the criticisms on RJ would be there even if he had injured himself.

OTOH, are you saying that after the first 1/2 dozen games Barrett's numbers got better consistently as the season went along? If so, surely that's in his favor.

[Wizfanman]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

[Illmatic12]

he might be afforded a greater benefit of doubt but in his first 6-7 games, barrett showed who he was from the get-go. only 2 games shooting 50%, 4 games shooting in the 30's, and going 14/42 from 3, 25/40 from the FT line.

compare that to Garland's 16ppg on 65.7 TS%, and Bol's 21 ppg on 63.2% TS%, the criticisms on RJ would be there even if he had injured himself.

OTOH, are you saying that after the first 1/2 dozen games Barrett's numbers got better consistently as the season went along? If so, surely that's in his favor.

Duke also played a significant chunk of games without Zion, and Barrett's production improved during that stretch.

[tontoz]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

[Wizfanman]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

UVA's playing style is so unorthodox that stats don't tell the whole picture. He did have 27 points and 9 rebounds in the biggest game in college basketball though. I honestly only watched him play throughout the tournament and he had no problem putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. The way he moves makes him appear slower than he actually is.

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UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

What makes the comparison relevant? Are Harris & Hunter similar players? Harris was drafted after 1 year in college. Hunter's Freshman numbers weren't nearly as good as Harris's. In fact, they weren't similar in any way.

Don't get me wrong. I think Hunter has a shot to be a pretty good NBA player. &, for that matter, I don't think Harris (whom I absolutely loved coming out of college) has turned out to be all that good. I just don't see how you can project in this way. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you?

[Illmatic12]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

Harris was always very fluid offensively, he moves like water and can pull up quickly for jumpers at different angles, one dribble pull-ups or coming off pin downs. Handles the ball in PnR also.

Hunter is nowhere near Harris talent level on offense, agreed. His jumpshot is slow so you can’t use him running off screens (defense will catch up to him and block from behind). You’re looking at a strictly C&S player for the most part, maybe if he has a slow or small defender on him he can take advantage of a mismatch but not consistently.

I see Jae Crowder, Demarre Carroll type player with him. You aren’t drafting him for his offensive upside at all, it’s to have a bigger rotation wing who can defend and won’t get played off the floor in the postseason.

[DCZards]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

Ariza is a pretty good comp for Hunter. Both are great, high IQ defenders with the ability to impact the game at that end of the floor, and they have similar offensive limitations in that neither Hunter nor Ariza are very good at scoring off the dribble.

Hunter is a much better 3pt shooter coming out of college than Ariza was. Trevor was a bad 3pt shooter early in his career, and didn’t break 35% in 3pt shooting until his 13th season. Hunter shot over 40% from 3 last season.

Judging from what I saw from Hunter during the NCAA tournament (yes, the dreaded "eye test" ), his rebounding may be somewhat underrated.

[dangermouse]

This forum used to be about analysing and criticising a players potential through a crystal ball (and CCJ consistently picking absolute steals in the second round).

Now its about analysing and criticising the crystal ball.

Fair enough. Too much time spent on meta -- if you want to make that my fault, I'll take the blame.

Who do you have your eyes on? Especially... do you see any high ceiling potentials later in the draft?

Hey now, I wasn't pointing fingers! But we do have to remember the whole reason for these threads and I think we are forgetting maybe how fun they can be.

I dont really look into anyone outside of the 1st round anymore, and even then its usually the bigger names within the first. Just dont have the time to look at footage these days. CCJ has the track record of picking the steals so I would defer to him always! But I digress...

The one guy I would say I am high on, that has a high ceiling, that seems to be consistently in the tail end of the lotto on mocks, that I think is being slept on... Bol.

[Wizfanman]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

What makes the comparison relevant? Are Harris & Hunter similar players? Harris was drafted after 1 year in college. Hunter's Freshman numbers weren't nearly as good as Harris's. In fact, they weren't similar in any way.

Don't get me wrong. I think Hunter has a shot to be a pretty good NBA player. &, for that matter, I don't think Harris (whom I absolutely loved coming out of college) has turned out to be all that good. I just don't see how you can project in this way. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you?

Not comparing their games, just the production. Harris is consistently around 18ppg and 7rpg. I can see Hunter putting up similar numbers.

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UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

UVA's playing style is so unorthodox that stats don't tell the whole picture. He did have 27 points and 9 rebounds in the biggest game in college basketball though. I honestly only watched him play throughout the tournament and he had no problem putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. The way he moves makes him appear slower than he actually is.

IOW, you've watched him play in 6 games, & you don't mind calling him "by far the best prospect to come out of UVA" & "bust proof?"

I'd say you may be over-interpreting -- substantially! -- the effect of UVA's "unorthodox... playing style" on Hunter's rebounding. On all his stats for that matter.

Checking numbers for Malcolm Brogdon is instructive. As a sophomore (like Hunter) but a guard (!) Brogdon substantially out-rebounded Hunter.

Not meaning to hate on DeAndre Hunter, but... come on!

[Ruzious]

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

UVA's playing style is so unorthodox that stats don't tell the whole picture. He did have 27 points and 9 rebounds in the biggest game in college basketball though. I honestly only watched him play throughout the tournament and he had no problem putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. The way he moves makes him appear slower than he actually is.

IOW, you've watched him play in 6 games, & you don't mind calling him "by far the best prospect to come out of UVA" & "bust proof?"

I'd say you may be over-interpreting -- substantially! -- the effect of UVA's "unorthodox... playing style" on Hunter's rebounding. On all his stats for that matter.

Checking numbers for Malcolm Brogdon is instructive. As a sophomore (like Hunter) but a guard (!) Brogdon substantially out-rebounded Hunter.

Not meaning to hate on DeAndre Hunter, but... come on!

Most incorrectly ignored Brogdon's super-high BBIQ and glommed onto his lack of "athleticism" when he was at UVA. But i do agree with Wfm's conclusions that Hunter is bust-proof and should produce well in the NBA.

[gtn130]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

Well, Justin Anderson is a bust, and of those players Hunter is most similar to...

[gtn130]

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

UVA's playing style is so unorthodox that stats don't tell the whole picture. He did have 27 points and 9 rebounds in the biggest game in college basketball though. I honestly only watched him play throughout the tournament and he had no problem putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. The way he moves makes him appear slower than he actually is.

IOW, you've watched him play in 6 games, & you don't mind calling him "by far the best prospect to come out of UVA" & "bust proof?"

I'd say you may be over-interpreting -- substantially! -- the effect of UVA's "unorthodox... playing style" on Hunter's rebounding. On all his stats for that matter.

Checking numbers for Malcolm Brogdon is instructive. As a sophomore (like Hunter) but a guard (!) Brogdon substantially out-rebounded Hunter.

Not meaning to hate on DeAndre Hunter, but... come on!

Brogdon and Hunter have basically nothing in common.

[Wizfanman]

There seem to be two big issues that people here have with Hunter, scoring off the dribble and rebounding. He didn't show much off the dribble and 5 rebounds in 32 minutes per game is pretty weak.

I think he could be an Ariza type player. Harris is more adept off the dribble although i didn't watch him in college.

UVA's playing style is so unorthodox that stats don't tell the whole picture. He did have 27 points and 9 rebounds in the biggest game in college basketball though. I honestly only watched him play throughout the tournament and he had no problem putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. The way he moves makes him appear slower than he actually is.

IOW, you've watched him play in 6 games, & you don't mind calling him "by far the best prospect to come out of UVA" & "bust proof?"

I'd say you may be over-interpreting -- substantially! -- the effect of UVA's "unorthodox... playing style" on Hunter's rebounding. On all his stats for that matter.

Checking numbers for Malcolm Brogdon is instructive. As a sophomore (like Hunter) but a guard (!) Brogdon substantially out-rebounded Hunter.

Not meaning to hate on DeAndre Hunter, but... come on!

Is DeAndre Hunter not the best prospect to come out of UVA under Bennett? It doesn't take an expert to come to that conclusion. He's the 3rd best player in this class imo. If the Wizards get him at #6 that's a steal.

[Wizfanman]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

Well, Justin Anderson is a bust, and of those players Hunter is most similar to...

Justin Anderson was the 21st pick in the draft. He'll probably have a 10 year career in the NBA, albeit as a bench player. Thats probably what you would expect from the #21 pick.

[gtn130]

UVA and Tony Bennett currently have produced 4 NBA players. Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Mike Scott, and Justin Anderson. Hunter is by far the best prospect to come out of UVA. He's bust proof and he'll be more than a role player in the league. I see Tobias Harris type production at a minimal.

Well, Justin Anderson is a bust, and of those players Hunter is most similar to...

Justin Anderson was the 21st pick in the draft. He'll probably have a 10 year career in the NBA, albeit as a bench player. Thats probably what you would expect from the #21 pick.

Will he? He’s on his 3rd team in 4 years and couldn’t get on the court playing for a lottery team.

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...Not meaning to hate on DeAndre Hunter, but... come on!

Is DeAndre Hunter not the best prospect to come out of UVA under Bennett?...

No. That would be Brogdon -- by a lot not a little.

...It doesn't take an expert to come to that conclusion. He's the 3rd best player in this class imo. If the Wizards get him at #6 that's a steal.

You know what? You may be right. In fact, he may turn out to be the best player in this class. Or he may turn out to be a run of the mill NBA journeyman. Or a fringe starter. Or... anything.

But, one thing is absolutely certain. By first declaring his stats more or less irrelevant, then admitting that you've only seen him play 6 games, you've sure as hell disqualified yourself from making any judgment whatever of DeAndre Hunter.

Of course, you could still be right. Just as, if I said to you "I'm going to flip a coin right now. Tell me, will it come up heads or tails?" & you responded "Heads," you could be right.

If your exposure to DeAndre Hunter is six games -- what players in this class have you seen more of? None?

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Well, Justin Anderson is a bust, and of those players Hunter is most similar to...

Justin Anderson was the 21st pick in the draft. He'll probably have a 10 year career in the NBA, albeit as a bench player. Thats probably what you would expect from the #21 pick.

Will he? He’s on his 3rd team in 4 years and couldn’t get on the court playing for a lottery team.

Actually, Anderson played pretty well until this year. What was going on with him who knows -- was he nicked up perhaps?

Wizfanman... I'm getting the idea that you're not much of an NBA fan. Don't follow the game very closely (let alone college basketball).

Anyone who thinks that there is some particular level of production one would "expect from the #21 pick" can't have been paying much attention over the years. All the more oddly dense is the statement in that yesterday you confidently predicted Hunter to become as good a player as Tobias Harris -- who was the #19 pick. In case my point isn't obvious, that's only 2 picks from #21.

[Wizfanman]

Justin Anderson was the 21st pick in the draft. He'll probably have a 10 year career in the NBA, albeit as a bench player. Thats probably what you would expect from the #21 pick.

Will he? He’s on his 3rd team in 4 years and couldn’t get on the court playing for a lottery team.

Actually, Anderson played pretty well until this year. What was going on with him who knows -- was he nicked up perhaps?

Wizfanman... I'm getting the idea that you're not much of an NBA fan. Don't follow the game very closely (let alone college basketball).

Anyone who thinks that there is some particular level of production one would "expect from the #21 pick" can't have been paying much attention over the years. All the more oddly dense is the statement in that yesterday you confidently predicted Hunter to become as good a player as Tobias Harris -- who was the #19 pick. In case my point isn't obvious, that's only 2 picks from #21.

Wow you're reaching. I get the idea you just like to argue to try to sound intelligent. You act as if one has to watch every game to form an opinion. Get real. The vast majority of people form their opinions on prospects by scouting reports and highlights.

Was I wrong by saying that the #21 pick is lucky to turn out to be a journeymen bench player? What kind of weak point were you trying to make by stating Tobias Harris was #19? There's always exceptions.

Payitforward, I could be mistaken but I remember you being pro the Ian Mahinmi signing. That hardly gives you any room to question someones knowledge of the game.