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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1541 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:55 am

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payitforward wrote:To me, at least, this is entirely irrelevant.

Obviously, a decision has been made to reboot the Washington Wizards. We have so many kids now that I keep losing count of them!

Dwight is on the roster & guaranteed, but this is not the right kind of team for a guy like him. He is a HOF-career player who continues to have at least one bankable skill that would be useful to a team with hopes to go far in the playoffs this season. If we can trade him to a team like that, sure, lets do it; we'll get another asset -- future assets benefit us more in our current state than Dwight can. He'll get a shot to play deep into the playoffs & maybe contend for a ring.

If we can't trade him, then the only reason I can see to buy him out is that we will need the roster spot. & if we do buy him out, he is absolutely certain to land somewhere else -- a team of the kind I just mentioned. All he would cost is a veteran minimum paycheck.

If he remains a Wizard this season, then as Zards says he will help our rebounding. But... he's not going to help enough to take us into the playoffs. Surely not. &, tbh, we don't want to be in the playoffs this year -- tho of course it would be amazing if these kids came out, all played great right away, & we did get there! But, given how utterly unlikely that is, it would seem that Tommy has projected us to have a high pick next year, giving us another jump in rebuilding quickly.

Hmmm, perhaps this can give Zards a reason to think again about Howard? We are rebuilding around Brad. Which, it seems to me, puts a premium on the speed with which we add & use future assets. I.e. to this end, we would seem to have a bigger need for draft picks & draft position than we do for rebounding this year.

Does that make sense to you, Zards?


Yes, it makes sense to want a high draft pick next year. But it also make sense to at least try to win games. And that will depend, in part, on how well the Zards rebound the ball. That's where Dwight comes in.

The Zards are probably only going to win 30-35 games next season regardless of whether or not Howard plays. But at the same time you want to try to develop a winning culture and not give your young players (and Beal) the impression that you're essentially throwing in the towel next season. That would be a mistake, imo.

If the Zards do trade or buy out Dwight they need to sign an Ed Davis or Vonleh to help out on the boards. Otherwise, the Zards will get crushed on the boards (like they did last season), which is demoralizing for the team's players and fans.

But Zards -- you are forgetting our secret weapon on the boards: Jemerrio Jones!! :)
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1542 » by Floody100 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:59 am

Boston fan here who comes in peace haha
Probably being a bit unrealistic but just wondering if you guys would ever trade Beal for Brown, Smart & picks (including the 2020 1st round Memphis pick), we can include Hayward if you want too :wink:
Or is Beal committed to you guys long term ?
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1543 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:25 pm

Floody100 wrote:Boston fan here who comes in peace haha
Probably being a bit unrealistic but just wondering if you guys would ever trade Beal for Brown, Smart & picks (including the 2020 1st round Memphis pick), we can include Hayward if you want too :wink:
Or is Beal committed to you guys long term ?

Leaving aside the question of evening value in a trade, it looks like the Wizards have no interest at all in trading Beal. They seem to be negotiating a long-term extension right now.

How about Hayward & that Memphis pick for Wall? :wink: :wink:

Edit: Btw, what did you think of your draft? I don't know about Langford, but I thought Ainge's turning your #20 pick into Carsen Edwards, a R1 pick next year, & dumping Baynes's salary was quite clever.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1544 » by Floody100 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:30 pm

payitforward wrote:
Floody100 wrote:Boston fan here who comes in peace haha
Probably being a bit unrealistic but just wondering if you guys would ever trade Beal for Brown, Smart & picks (including the 2020 1st round Memphis pick), we can include Hayward if you want too :wink:
Or is Beal committed to you guys long term ?

Leaving aside the question of evening value in a trade, it looks like the Wizards have no interest at all in trading Beal. They seem to be negotiating a long-term extension right now.

How about Hayward & that Memphis pick for Wall? :wink: :wink:


Haha hard pass :lol:
Think it’s about time you guys had some luck go your way. Really hope Wall comes back with a new attitude & realises he’s a damn good talent !
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1545 » by prime1time » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:39 pm

Floody100 wrote:Boston fan here who comes in peace haha
Probably being a bit unrealistic but just wondering if you guys would ever trade Beal for Brown, Smart & picks (including the 2020 1st round Memphis pick), we can include Hayward if you want too :wink:
Or is Beal committed to you guys long term ?

Why would we do this trade? So we trade for Brown and then resign him next year to what kind of deal? There’s going to be a team out there willing to pay him a lot of money. So either we match and now we are paying a player who’s worse than Beal a lot of money or we don’t match and we lose Brown. The NBA is all about finding players who are worth a max. If you have one, you keep them. And then try to find a way to get another one. Also, Celtics are zooming towards a cap nightmare. Brown will need to be resigned. And so will Tatum. Once they come off their rookie deals the team is going to have some tough decisions to make.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1546 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:43 pm

Floody100 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Floody100 wrote:Boston fan here who comes in peace haha
Probably being a bit unrealistic but just wondering if you guys would ever trade Beal for Brown, Smart & picks (including the 2020 1st round Memphis pick), we can include Hayward if you want too :wink:
Or is Beal committed to you guys long term ?

Leaving aside the question of evening value in a trade, it looks like the Wizards have no interest at all in trading Beal. They seem to be negotiating a long-term extension right now.

How about Hayward & that Memphis pick for Wall? :wink: :wink:


Haha hard pass :lol:
Think it’s about time you guys had some luck go your way. Really hope Wall comes back with a new attitude & realises he’s a damn good talent !

:) I was editing while you responded.

What do you think of your draft? I don't know about Langford, but I like Grant Williams a lot. Trade was clever bit of work too.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1547 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:13 pm

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queridiculo wrote:Thad Young is another guy I'd love to see the Wizards bring in. The right kind of utility guy to start at the four while Hachimura comes along.

Good call. He would be a nice stopgap starting PF to take the pressure off of Hachimura, who would get to go up against backups. Young is a solid defender and an effective interior scorer.

How about the MLE for 2 years?

Thaddeus Young is a pretty good player -- sort of like Jeff Green but a whole lot better & not quite as old. But should not our primary targets be guys who are young & also productive, under-valued & with a chance to translate into the team we mean to build? Some examples, a number of whom we've already brought up here:

Noah Vonleh
Richaun Holmes
Kevon Looney
Christian Wood

But, if we are actually looking for "a stopgap," how about some less expensive possibilities:

Ed Davis
Al-Farouk Aminu
Jeff Green

Green would be a popular choice & cost literally a tenth of what Young is likely to command. For that matter, here are a couple of other cheap "stopgap" types.

Kenneth Faried
Omri Casspi

I'm sympathetic to the argument that we should be focusing on developing young players. But I also think there is some value in having one or two good vets in the rotation to provide stability and leadership. How valuable is it? I'm not sure. I've never coached an NBA team before.

Thaddeus Young is easily better than all the guys you mentioned - many of whom are really centers. The one exception is Aminu. I think he might be worth a look as well. I'd lean toward Thad over Aminu because I think he can carry a heavier usage rate and this team is going to need that, but it would depend on price and length of contract.

I like Vonleh too, and would certainly like to add him as well. But my purpose for bringing in Thad Young was to provide short term leadership and scoring at a fairly high usage rate, in an effort to take the pressure off of Beal and the developing young players. Vonleh is talented, but he can't do that at this stage of his career. He's more of a defender/rebounder type. I'd like him as a 3rd big to backup our PF and C. Down the road, a 3-man rotation of Bryant, Hachimura and Vonleh at PF and C could pan out to be very good.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1548 » by Floody100 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:28 pm

payitforward wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Leaving aside the question of evening value in a trade, it looks like the Wizards have no interest at all in trading Beal. They seem to be negotiating a long-term extension right now.

How about Hayward & that Memphis pick for Wall? :wink: :wink:


Haha hard pass :lol:
Think it’s about time you guys had some luck go your way. Really hope Wall comes back with a new attitude & realises he’s a damn good talent !

:) I was editing while you responded.

What do you think of your draft? I don't know about Langford, but I like Grant Williams a lot. Trade was clever bit of work too.


A bit undecided if I’m being honest. Langford has potential & is someone who can get to the paint & score quite naturally which is something we need. I like Williams, has the potential to be like a Draymond-type player which is exciting.
Haven’t seen much of Hachimura, how does he go ?
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1549 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Hachimura is an exciting prospect, no question about it. Some of us have questioned whether he was the right pick at #9, but no one doubts his potential. We also traded some $$ for the #42 pick that brought us Admiral Schofield; he's a quality prospect at that pick. After the draft, we signed Justin Robinson -- a deal that was done verbally before the draft. Apparently, teams talked to his agent about picking him in the 40s & were strongly discouraged -- Robinson thought we were the best fit for him.

We also signed 3 other undrafted guys (Garrison Matthews, Corey Davis, Jr. & Armoni Brooks) to one or another kind of deal (either 2 way or SL). In all, I'd call it an excellent piece of work by our "interim" GM, Tommy Sheppard. Even better was the trade w/ LA.

It's still June, & we have nine new players! All of them are either rookies or year 2, all of them are 22 or younger. It's weird & wonderful!
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1550 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:54 pm

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payitforward wrote:What do you think of your draft? I don't know about Langford, but I like Grant Williams a lot. Trade was clever bit of work too.

A bit undecided if I’m being honest. Langford has potential & is someone who can get to the paint & score quite naturally which is something we need. I like Williams, has the potential to be like a Draymond-type player which is exciting.

Draymond is much, much longer than Williams. & he came into the league at 22, ready to roll. IMO, all the same, you are going to love Grant Williams. I think he's going to be a terrific player. Very smart, has improved year on year & still only 20. It wouldn't surprise me for him to turn into a great Celtic.

Carsen Edwards is a real wild card. Be fun to see how he turns out.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1551 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:17 pm

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payitforward wrote:To me, at least, this is entirely irrelevant.

Obviously, a decision has been made to reboot the Washington Wizards. We have so many kids now that I keep losing count of them!

Dwight is on the roster & guaranteed, but this is not the right kind of team for a guy like him. He is a HOF-career player who continues to have at least one bankable skill that would be useful to a team with hopes to go far in the playoffs this season. If we can trade him to a team like that, sure, lets do it; we'll get another asset -- future assets benefit us more in our current state than Dwight can. He'll get a shot to play deep into the playoffs & maybe contend for a ring.

If we can't trade him, then the only reason I can see to buy him out is that we will need the roster spot. & if we do buy him out, he is absolutely certain to land somewhere else -- a team of the kind I just mentioned. All he would cost is a veteran minimum paycheck.

If he remains a Wizard this season, then as Zards says he will help our rebounding. But... he's not going to help enough to take us into the playoffs. Surely not. &, tbh, we don't want to be in the playoffs this year -- tho of course it would be amazing if these kids came out, all played great right away, & we did get there! But, given how utterly unlikely that is, it would seem that Tommy has projected us to have a high pick next year, giving us another jump in rebuilding quickly.

Hmmm, perhaps this can give Zards a reason to think again about Howard? We are rebuilding around Brad. Which, it seems to me, puts a premium on the speed with which we add & use future assets. I.e. to this end, we would seem to have a bigger need for draft picks & draft position than we do for rebounding this year.

Does that make sense to you, Zards?

Yes, it makes sense to want a high draft pick next year. But it also make sense to at least try to win games. And that will depend, in part, on how well the Zards rebound the ball. That's where Dwight comes in.

The Zards are probably only going to win 30-35 games next season regardless of whether or not Howard plays. But at the same time you want to try to develop a winning culture and not give your young players (and Beal) the impression that you're essentially throwing in the towel next season. That would be a mistake, imo.

If the Zards do trade or buy out Dwight they need to sign an Ed Davis or Vonleh to help out on the boards. Otherwise, the Zards will get crushed on the boards (like they did last season), which is demoralizing for the team's players and fans.

Yes, absolutely. We need to improve our rebounding. Ed Davis or Noah Vonleh would be great. Vonleh would feed our future, which makes him a higher value target (IMO), but Ed Davis was just unreal last year.

Ed Davis grabbed almost 20 boards per 40 minutes last year & posted a .63 TS%. He doesn't space the floor at all (he's taken 3 three point fgas in his career -- all last year -- of which none went in), but if you get that done otherwise, leaving him some room around the basket, he converts a bunch of other guys' misses into makes!
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1552 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:20 pm

payitforward wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
payitforward wrote:What do you think of your draft? I don't know about Langford, but I like Grant Williams a lot. Trade was clever bit of work too.

A bit undecided if I’m being honest. Langford has potential & is someone who can get to the paint & score quite naturally which is something we need. I like Williams, has the potential to be like a Draymond-type player which is exciting.

Draymond is much, much longer than Williams. & he came into the league at 22, ready to roll. IMO, all the same, you are going to love Grant Williams. I think he's going to be a terrific player. Very smart, has improved year on year & still only 20. It wouldn't surprise me for him to turn into a great Celtic.

Carsen Edwards is a real wild card. Be fun to see how he turns out.

Edwards is my favorite of the guys they drafted. He’s not the ballhandler IT was ,but they have similarities being small guards who are incredibly strong.

I was surprised by the Langford pick. A ball-dominant SG who can’t shoot and had chemistry issues with his teammates doesn’t seem like what Boston should be going for , given how things have gone for them recently. Talented to be sure , but idk how he gets opportunity with Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Hayward in how
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1553 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:18 pm

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Post#1554 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:32 pm

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Sheppard with another solid move if true. Why commit money to an often injured Parker and a mercurial Portis who, despite some good stat line games, contributed little to making us a better team in their I’d potentially think about bringing Portis back at the right number and years, but he’s likely to want more than either of those two we are willing to give him.
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Post#1555 » by trast66 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:38 pm

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This is wonderful if true. Shipping out or cutting Dwight would be the cherry on top.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1556 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:40 pm

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Sheppard with another solid move if true. Why commit money to an often injured Parker and a mercurial Portis who, despite some good stat line games, contributed little to making us a better team in their I’d potentially think about bringing Portis back at the right number and years, but he’s likely to want more than either of those two we are willing to give him.


If you want to change the culture and part of that is on the defensive end, you don't bring back either player, not matter how low their price is. It just makes the Otto deal a salary dump but I'm pretty sure a better GM could have at least gotten a protected first-rounder or a couple of second rounders instead of just exprining contracts.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1557 » by Gig18 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:47 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
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Sheppard with another solid move if true. Why commit money to an often injured Parker and a mercurial Portis who, despite some good stat line games, contributed little to making us a better team in their I’d potentially think about bringing Portis back at the right number and years, but he’s likely to want more than either of those two we are willing to give him.

I still prefer the idea of at least exploring the idea of a sign and trade with Portis. We just walk away and it means we got zero-zilch-nada-bupkus for trading away both Otto and Oubre. (assuming Ariza's gone as well).
I understand cutting ties, I just don't like squandering assets, even if we don't really want em back.
by the by, I still think parker on a one year would be a good move.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1558 » by trast66 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:51 pm

If Caris LeVert is available (even next year as restricted) we should be looking into that. Beal and LeVert I’d stack up against Kyrie and a 32 year old Durant coming off injury.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1559 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:03 pm

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trast66 wrote:If Caris LeVert is available (even next year as restricted) we should be looking into that. Beal and LeVert I’d stack up against Kyrie and a 32 year old Durant coming off injury.

What was nets thinking? Picking an overrated and selfish Point guard in kyrie over D'Russel. I much rather have Russel over Irving. I do, Agree that levert would be a great option for us going forward.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1560 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:15 pm

Gig18 wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
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Sheppard with another solid move if true. Why commit money to an often injured Parker and a mercurial Portis who, despite some good stat line games, contributed little to making us a better team in their I’d potentially think about bringing Portis back at the right number and years, but he’s likely to want more than either of those two we are willing to give him.

I still prefer the idea of at least exploring the idea of a sign and trade with Portis. We just walk away and it means we got zero-zilch-nada-bupkus for trading away both Otto and Oubre. (assuming Ariza's gone as well).
I understand cutting ties, I just don't like squandering assets, even if we don't really want em back.
by the by, I still think parker on a one year would be a good move.



Yeah, you would think we could've at least gotten a future 2nd out of it. :nonono:
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