Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[gambitx777]

We all are! We may not always get along but we are one big wizards family !

I am always happy when you are around & posting, CCJ. A good thing!

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We all are! We may not always get along but we are one big wizards family !

I am always happy when you are around & posting, CCJ. A good thing!

What's this "not always get along" thing! I get along with everybody.

The way I do it, I make sure only to argue with my favorite guys.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

We all are! We may not always get along but we are one big wizards family !

I am always happy when you are around & posting, CCJ. A good thing!

What's this "not always get along" thing! I get along with everybody.

The way I do it, I make sure only to argue with my favorite guys.

Bless your heart.

[Dark Faze]

What's the general take on Nerlens Noel these days? Rated 6th at RPM for his position and will be a free agent. Would he be worth a full MLE?

[dckingsfan]

What's the general take on Nerlens Noel these days? Rated 6th at RPM for his position and will be a free agent. Would he be worth a full MLE?

He plays well on offense next to good point guards like Paul, Westbrook, etc. I think he would be fine next to Wall. I think it would be "nice" to have a player like that next to either Wagner or Bryant.

I am really interested to see which way Tommy goes.

[gambitx777]

I still like Bryant to Boston in some trade for some picks just my opinion .

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What's the general take on Nerlens Noel these days? Rated 6th at RPM for his position and will be a free agent. Would he be worth a full MLE?

I'd say absolutely yes he would be. I'd be happy to sign him for the full 4 years if he'd go for it.

&, in that case, I would trade Wagner. He doesn't have a whole lot of value, but you'd get something for him.

[Shoe]

I still like Bryant to Boston in some trade for some picks just my opinion .

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I don't imagine he has trade value unless Boston can pinpoint why he regressed and have a solution for it.

[pcbothwel]

What's the general take on Nerlens Noel these days? Rated 6th at RPM for his position and will be a free agent. Would he be worth a full MLE?

I'd say absolutely yes he would be. I'd be happy to sign him for the full 4 years if he'd go for it.

&, in that case, I would trade Wagner. He doesn't have a whole lot of value, but you'd get something for him.

Agreed... but I would make sure to get something for Wagner. We need a backup guard and another Wing. I assume one will come through the draft and the other in FA. But instead getting Noel and moving Wagner for the wing/guard would be a great move. Not sure what we could pull.

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I still like Bryant to Boston in some trade for some picks just my opinion.

I don't imagine he has trade value unless Boston can pinpoint why he regressed and have a solution for it.

Bryant had a slow start to the season. Over the last couple of months he has, bit by bit, moved his numbers back up towards last season's level -- tho he won't get there for the season as a whole, precisely b/c of the slow start.

Yet, overall, to this point, how much has he regressed?

Rebounding: Bryant's defensive rebounding is slightly down, while his offensive rebounding is slightly up. These guys are not machines, they're people. Keep in mind that this year like last year he's significantly above an average NBA big in both.

Scoring: Bryant is scoring exactly as many points as last year (he's plus @ .1 pt. per 40 minutes). But, he's taking .17 more shots & .4 more FTAs, so his TS% has dropped from 67.4% to "only" 65.9%. Keep in mind that he's scoring more points than an average NBA big & that his TS% is way above that of an average NBA big (57.8%).

Assists: his assists per 40 minutes are up about 27% from last year. He delivers more assists than an average NBA big.

Fouls: his fouls are up @10%, so that this year he's fouling at an exactly average rate for an NBA big.

He's blocking more shots than an average NBA big, & he turns the ball over at the average rate for an NBA big.

In short, this year his numbers, while not quite as stellar as last year, are once again extremely good. Moreover...

Thomas Bryant is still 22 years old -- younger than some guys who will get drafted three months from now.

He's playing in, effectively, his 2d year (72 minutes as a rookie).

He hasn't yet posted even 2500 NBA minutes overall.

Tell me, are you really sure that this is the description of a player who has no trade value?

I didn't think so.

For Gods sakes, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura!

[Meliorus]

I still like Bryant to Boston in some trade for some picks just my opinion.

I don't imagine he has trade value unless Boston can pinpoint why he regressed and have a solution for it.

Bryant had a slow start to the season. Over the last couple of months he has, bit by bit, moved his numbers back up towards last season's level -- tho he won't get there for the season as a whole, precisely b/c of the slow start.

Yet, overall, to this point, how much has he regressed?

Rebounding: Bryant's defensive rebounding is slightly down, while his offensive rebounding is slightly up. These guys are not machines, they're people. Keep in mind that this year like last year he's significantly above an average NBA big in both.

Scoring: Bryant is scoring exactly as many points as last year (he's plus @ .1 pt. per 40 minutes). But, he's taking .17 more shots & .4 more FTAs, so his TS% has dropped from 67.4% to "only" 65.9%. Keep in mind that he's scoring more points than an average NBA big & that his TS% is way above that of an average NBA big (57.8%).

Assists: his assists per 40 minutes are up about 27% from last year. He delivers more assists than an average NBA big.

Fouls: his fouls are up @10%, so that this year he's fouling at an exactly average rate for an NBA big.

He's blocking more shots than an average NBA big, & he turns the ball over at the average rate for an NBA big.

In short, this year his numbers, while not quite as stellar as last year, are once again extremely good. Moreover...

Thomas Bryant is still 22 years old -- younger than some guys who will get drafted three months from now.
He's playing in, effectively, his 2d year (72 minutes as a rookie).
He hasn't yet posted even 2500 NBA minutes overall.

Tell me, are you really sure that this is the description of a player who has no trade value?

I didn't think so.

Too bad his defense is complete garbage, to the point where it shifts games whenever he steps onto the court in crunch-time.

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He needs to improve his defense. But... you're full of it. A statement with nothing behind it.

Once again, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura.

[youngWizzy]

Defensive Rating has Bryant as the 2nd worst center only behind AP.

DRPM also has Bryant as the 3rd worst center among players who played atleast 20 minutes trailing only Cody Zeller and KAT.

[Meliorus]

He needs to improve his defense. But... you're full of it. A statement with nothing behind it.

Once again, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't centers generate less points per possession than wings? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just give all of the center offensive possessions to a wing (who shoots more threes)? I think the question to ask here is: is there any point in having a good offensive center? Or is it better to have a center who takes almost no shots and just plays defense?

[Ruzious]

He needs to improve his defense. But... you're full of it. A statement with nothing behind it.

Once again, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't centers generate less points per possession than wings? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just give all of the center offensive possessions to a wing (who shoots more threes)? I think the question to ask here is: is there any point in having a good offensive center? Or is it better to have a center who takes almost no shots and just plays defense?

Ok, look at the Lakers roster. Bryant's 3rd on the current roster in points per possession. He and Wagner are tops on the team in TS% at 66% while all-star scorer Beal is at 57.8%. He's shooting 60.1% from the field. Next best is Beal at... 47.6%. He's also the top rebounder on the team at 10.3 per 36. He's got the 2nd highest PER on the team behind Beal - over 3 points ahead of the 3rd highest. He's been playing hurt - that's why his minutes are restricted and he can't play consecutive days. He's still an inexperienced young player. Give him more time to develop his defense. Look at the rosters of the 2 best teams in basketball.

[Shoe]

He needs to improve his defense. But... you're full of it. A statement with nothing behind it.

Once again, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't centers generate less points per possession than wings? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just give all of the center offensive possessions to a wing (who shoots more threes)? I think the question to ask here is: is there any point in having a good offensive center? Or is it better to have a center who takes almost no shots and just plays defense?

Ok, look at the Lakers roster. Bryant's 3rd on the current roster in points per possession. He and Wagner are tops on the team in TS% at 66% while all-star scorer Beal is at 57.8%. He's shooting 60.1% from the field. Next best is Beal at... 47.6%. He's also the top rebounder on the team at 10.3 per 36. He's got the 2nd highest PER on the team behind Beal - over 3 points ahead of the 3rd highest. He's been playing hurt - that's why his minutes are restricted and he can't play consecutive days. He's still an inexperienced young player. Give him more time to develop his defense. Look at the rosters of the 2 best teams in basketball.

He needs time to develop but he's not been all that good this year. His instincts or anticipation just look much worse but maybe there's a logical explanation.

[gambitx777]

I think I'm pretty middle of the road on the Bryant topic. I don't want to trade him because he's bad. I want to trade him because. Of all the things you said, they give him that value. He's good as a D play maker. Blocks and steal and contesting and such but he's slow and not good at positioning and his foot work needs work. He's been hurt and he's young. So that slowness and stuff could be fixed with a good training camp and a better meal and work out plan. But if we could do Bryant and admiral for Theis, G.williams, 17 and 30. That to me is too much value. You're is ng Bryant for an upgrade at young wing and two picks. Theis would be waived. Yes it's seen as a weak draft but two picks is two picks and you can do a lot with that plus our pick. We could us that to move up if need be we. Would just take good depth. I think stick Smith if a better more well rounded Bryant imo. I just think swapping him for an upgrade and open spot and two young players is a good idea. That's probably an u realistic trade but I'm just putting an example out there.

I still like Bryant to Boston in some trade for some picks just my opinion.

I don't imagine he has trade value unless Boston can pinpoint why he regressed and have a solution for it.

Bryant had a slow start to the season. Over the last couple of months he has, bit by bit, moved his numbers back up towards last season's level -- tho he won't get there for the season as a whole, precisely b/c of the slow start.

Yet, overall, to this point, how much has he regressed?

Rebounding: Bryant's defensive rebounding is slightly down, while his offensive rebounding is slightly up. These guys are not machines, they're people. Keep in mind that this year like last year he's significantly above an average NBA big in both.

Scoring: Bryant is scoring exactly as many points as last year (he's plus @ .1 pt. per 40 minutes). But, he's taking .17 more shots & .4 more FTAs, so his TS% has dropped from 67.4% to "only" 65.9%. Keep in mind that he's scoring more points than an average NBA big & that his TS% is way above that of an average NBA big (57.8%).

Assists: his assists per 40 minutes are up about 27% from last year. He delivers more assists than an average NBA big.

Fouls: his fouls are up @10%, so that this year he's fouling at an exactly average rate for an NBA big.

He's blocking more shots than an average NBA big, & he turns the ball over at the average rate for an NBA big.

In short, this year his numbers, while not quite as stellar as last year, are once again extremely good. Moreover...

Thomas Bryant is still 22 years old -- younger than some guys who will get drafted three months from now.

He's playing in, effectively, his 2d year (72 minutes as a rookie).

He hasn't yet posted even 2500 NBA minutes overall.

Tell me, are you really sure that this is the description of a player who has no trade value?

I didn't think so.

For Gods sakes, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura!

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[Meliorus]

Yea watching this Knicks game and just see their players going at Bryant in the paint. Guys like Ntiklina looking like an All-Star.

[Ruzious]

Yea watching this Knicks game and just see their players going at Bryant in the paint. Guys like Ntiklina looking like an All-Star.

He's been the least of the Wiz defensive problems tonight. Ntiklina's been hitting jumpers. Bertans was destroyed by Portis. And Rui and Wagner were both awful on D. TBJ was terrible.

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He needs to improve his defense. But... you're full of it. A statement with nothing behind it.

Once again, Thomas Bryant is six months & 1 week older than Rui Hachimura.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't centers generate less points per possession than wings? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just give all of the center offensive possessions to a wing (who shoots more threes)?...

Yeah, you're wrong. 4s & 5s routinely shoot far higher %s than wings.