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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1541 » by Dolevi » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:36 pm

Pistol King wrote:A good conversation guys. Love it.

My two cents.

I've been watching Deni through his EuroBasket games this summer, and I've seen an aggressive player who wants to put the team on his shoulders, to a point where in one position he almost had an incident with his PG teammate who in the last money time possession has dribbled and dribbled and took the last shot instead of passing it to him. Deni was on fire and wanted to take that game on his shoulders. He was so angry about that teammate who didn't give him the ball for the last shot. This is who I believe the real Deni is. an aggressive player who wants to win probably more than anybody if getting the chance.

What I'm trying to say is, I've never seen this version of him yet in a Wizards uniform, and it's not because he doesn't have it on him. Actually he averaged pretty good numbers in this FIBA tournament where usually NBA stars averaging lower numbers than they averaging in the NBA.

the feeling I get is the coach asks him to only do the basics. When Deni tries to do a little bit more (like creating off the dribble or playmaking) the coach doesn't rewards him in a positive way. We also seeing it through WUJ's interviews, he always compliments Deni with statements like 'I liked that he didn't try to do much and let the game come to him'.

So to summarize, I think the lack of aggressiveness we're seeing from Deni is a combination of very short room to showcase it, when every possession is kinda make or break, combining with a negative rewarding from the coach when he's trying to do more than standing at the corner. In the long run I think the organization makes a mistake by not put emphasis on trying to win while also at the same time developing its 9'th pick. I don't believe in this 'everything or anything' approach. Who says being invested 'all in' in Kuz bricking as much shots as he wants is the right way to win?

So the fault here is on both sides. Deni should do more in the small room of chances he got to show what he's capable of offensively, and the org should do better by letting him be a more regular part of the offensive scheme (ball touching, playmaking, allowing him to create off the dribble at least 2-3 times per game without to kick him out to the bench if it doesn't immediately works out). I'd like to see WUJ rewarding him for the defense job he gives and not using him only so the other players can do whatever they want while Deni is cleaning each one's mistakes. The game against the Pacers was a good example for it. Deni did a good job defensively on Haliburton when forcing him often to pass the ball or missing shots, only so the other guys would fall a sleep on the defensive end and Deni will be the one to be punished for it (aka we don't play good defense as a team? I'll bench Deni and bring up the players I trust offensively, even if Deni himself did play defense). WUJ rewards players for bad plays and then we're asking ourselves why things don't pan out.

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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1542 » by trast66 » Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:55 am

Deni appears to be in WUJs doghouse.

I watched him closely the last 2 games and he has not played well. Granted, no one on team has. But Deni seems to have lost defensive quickness, people are blowing by him to the rim at will. He is fouling at a high rate as well, poor fouls, which is main reason WUJ is sitting him IMO. Perhaps his injuries are not fully healed. He does not provide much offensive threat, usually draws poor defender from other team. I have not seen any improvement in his ability to get to the rim, again he may be physical hampered. He certainly still avoids the left hand. 3 pt stroke seems fine which is critical if he wants any floor time.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1543 » by Wizraeli » Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:07 am

The last thing someone can complain about Deni is his defense, so benching him because he did a mistake at the end of the first half is just a useless move, I'm sure Deni himself is even more upset about that basket than Unseld, if there's one thing he already proved is that he cares about defending, there's no reason to "send him a message" this way, especially when he came out of the game at the 1st quarter the Wizards were -11 points, when he came back in they were -19, at the end of the half even after that basket they were again -11 with Deni having +/- of +8, instead of continuing with the lineup that made the run at the 2nd quarter and actually taking a shot of winning the game Unseld decided to bench his best defender...a stupid decision in my opinion.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1544 » by Runner300 » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:39 am

Showcase him for a few games, then trade him for Ben Simmons.
Main trade goal would, obviously, be getting rid of the annoying Deni fans on Wizards forums. :lol:
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1545 » by tontoz » Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:14 pm

Didnt watch the game so i dont know what happened but i definitely don't like Deni playing only 11 minutes.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1546 » by Pistol King » Thu Nov 3, 2022 3:30 am

A strong game defensively from him tonight.

Read on Twitter


Still has only took 3 shots. I'd like him to be much more active offensively.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1547 » by dckingsfan » Thu Nov 3, 2022 11:19 pm

Pistol King wrote:A strong game defensively from him tonight.

Read on Twitter


Still has only took 3 shots. I'd like him to be much more active offensively.

He plays really well when they win and things are going well: +14; +16; +12; +17.

He is still not aggressive - even less so than last year.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1548 » by Dolevi » Sat Nov 5, 2022 1:26 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Pistol King wrote:A strong game defensively from him tonight.

Read on Twitter


Still has only took 3 shots. I'd like him to be much more active offensively.

He plays really well when they win and things are going well: +14; +16; +12; +17.

He is still not aggressive - even less so than last year.

I love him, really I am. You know that. But, his lack of aggressiveness or call it lack of talent/creativity/confidence in the offensive area, it's something that makes him useless. Even now when he gets opportunities with the ball on his hands, he doesn't prove he can make something with it, despite my expectations. Maybe he hasn't grown up yet, maybe it's the injury, maybe it's defenders in NBA level, maybe it's the coaching of the whole team, maybe it all mixed together. I don't know, I'm disappointed. I bet the best stat, that shows how aggressive he is (or not lol) - it's the dunking amount. I think he dunked only one time since the season has started. And I'm wondering how is that makes sense? A player with his size and speed, been guarded by the weakest defenders every night. He has a problem.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1549 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 5, 2022 1:41 pm

Dolevi wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pistol King wrote:A strong game defensively from him tonight.

Read on Twitter


Still has only took 3 shots. I'd like him to be much more active offensively.

He plays really well when they win and things are going well: +14; +16; +12; +17.

He is still not aggressive - even less so than last year.

I love him, really I am. You know that. But, his lack of aggressiveness or call it lack of talent/creativity/confidence in the offensive area, it's something that makes him useless. Even now when he gets opportunities with the ball on his hands, he doesn't prove he can make something with it, despite my expectations. Maybe he hasn't grown up yet, maybe it's the injury, maybe it's defenders in NBA level, maybe it's the coaching of the whole team, maybe it all mixed together. I don't know, I'm disappointed. I bet the best stat, that shows how aggressive he is (or not lol) - it's the dunking amount. I think he dunked only one time since the season has started. And I'm wondering how is that makes sense? A player with his size and speed, been guarded by the weakest defenders every night. He has a problem.

Yep, don't know what it is - but I think he is now officially playing worse than last year (on a small sample size).

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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1550 » by tontoz » Sat Nov 5, 2022 2:01 pm

I hope this off the bench role is temporary. His defense is more useful against the opposing teams best scorers.

He isn't going to get a lot of touches playing with Rui and Barton. The spacing is better in the starting lineup making it easier for Deni off the dribble.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1551 » by Bonscott » Sat Nov 5, 2022 3:30 pm

Deni is just another first round flop,unfortunately it's an alarming trend since they haven't hit a first rounder since Beal
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1552 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:34 pm

Deni's not a flop as a player. OTOH, he's clearly not as much of a success (so far) as a number of guys picked lower in R1 or, in a few cases, in R2.

Tyrese Haliburton (12)
Josh Green (18)
Tyrese Maxey (21)
Immanuel Quickley (25
Desmond Bane (30)
Xavier Tillman (35)
Saben Lee (38)
Tre Jones (41)
Kenyon Martin, Jr. (52)

Note that, of the 11 guys picked before Haliburton, none of them has been as good as he. & only Ball has been anything special so far.

In short, Deni wasn't a great pick, but he wasn't a terrible pick. He's not the level of flop that Rui threatens to be or Davis looks like so far.

Dat would have taken Haliburton. A bunch of people on this Board were all over Precious Achiuwa, who certainly hasn't been as good as Deni. No one would have taken Green or Maxey at 9 -- not as far as I recall, that is.

That said, Deni needs to develop this season. He needs to be better. &, he did start out strong the first 3-4 games.

Talking about the '20 draft, on the other hand, instead of Deni in particular -- Tommy managed that draft poorly. As he did in 2019, 2021 & 2022.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1553 » by dcstanley » Sat Nov 5, 2022 7:08 pm

payitforward wrote:Deni's not a flop as a player. OTOH, he's clearly not as much of a success (so far) as a number of guys picked lower in R1 or, in a few cases, in R2.

Tyrese Haliburton (12)
Josh Green (18)
Tyrese Maxey (21)
Immanuel Quickley (25
Desmond Bane (30)
Xavier Tillman (35)
Saben Lee (38)
Tre Jones (41)
Kenyon Martin, Jr. (52)

Note that, of the 11 guys picked before Haliburton, none of them has been as good as he. & only Ball has been anything special so far.

In short, Deni wasn't a great pick, but he wasn't a terrible pick. He's not the level of flop that Rui threatens to be or Davis looks like so far.

Dat would have taken Haliburton. A bunch of people on this Board were all over Precious Achiuwa, who certainly hasn't been as good as Deni. No one would have taken Green or Maxey at 9 -- not as far as I recall, that is.

That said, Deni needs to develop this season. He needs to be better. &, he did start out strong the first 3-4 games.

Talking about the '20 draft, on the other hand, instead of Deni in particular -- Tommy managed that draft poorly. As he did in 2019, 2021 & 2022.

Edwards and Hailburton project to be the two best players in that class. I think Ball ends up a distant third.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1554 » by trast66 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 11:56 pm

Nice job by Deni speaking out on the Kyrie situation. Tough position for him as only Jewish player in the league. LeBron finally piped up as well.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1555 » by montestewart » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:06 am

trast66 wrote:Nice job by Deni speaking out on the Kyrie situation. Tough position for him as only Jewish player in the league. LeBron finally piped up as well.

I saw crab dribble’s comment, but I didn’t see Avdija’s comment. Do you have a link?
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1556 » by trast66 » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:23 am

montestewart wrote:
trast66 wrote:Nice job by Deni speaking out on the Kyrie situation. Tough position for him as only Jewish player in the league. LeBron finally piped up as well.

I saw crab dribble’s comment, but I didn’t see Avdija’s comment. Do you have a link?


https://clutchpoints.com/nets-news-deni-avdija-the-only-jewish-nba-player-shares-unique-take-on-kyrie-irving-antisemitism-saga/
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1557 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:35 am

dcstanley wrote:
payitforward wrote:Deni's not a flop as a player. OTOH, he's clearly not as much of a success (so far) as a number of guys picked lower in R1 or, in a few cases, in R2.

Tyrese Haliburton (12)
Josh Green (18)
Tyrese Maxey (21)
Immanuel Quickley (25
Desmond Bane (30)
Xavier Tillman (35)
Saben Lee (38)
Tre Jones (41)
Kenyon Martin, Jr. (52)

Note that, of the 11 guys picked before Haliburton, none of them has been as good as he. & only Ball has been anything special so far.

In short, Deni wasn't a great pick, but he wasn't a terrible pick. He's not the level of flop that Rui threatens to be or Davis looks like so far.

Dat would have taken Haliburton. A bunch of people on this Board were all over Precious Achiuwa, who certainly hasn't been as good as Deni. No one would have taken Green or Maxey at 9 -- not as far as I recall, that is.

That said, Deni needs to develop this season. He needs to be better. &, he did start out strong the first 3-4 games.

Talking about the '20 draft, on the other hand, instead of Deni in particular -- Tommy managed that draft poorly. As he did in 2019, 2021 & 2022.

Edwards and Hailburton project to be the two best players in that class. I think Ball ends up a distant third.

Well... off topic, really, yet... Edwards hasn't been anything special so far (not a criticism: he's very young!).

Everyone agrees about Haliburton, for sure, but Ball came into the league & was terrific from the get-go. Unclear to me why anyone would think he's going to be a "distant" anything.

Then there's Desmond Bane, who, in his third year, is already playing as well as peak Bradley Beal. Then there's Tyrese Maxey.... :)

You also might want to look at what Devin Vassell is doing this year....
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1558 » by dcstanley » Sun Nov 6, 2022 3:15 am

payitforward wrote:
dcstanley wrote:
payitforward wrote:Deni's not a flop as a player. OTOH, he's clearly not as much of a success (so far) as a number of guys picked lower in R1 or, in a few cases, in R2.

Tyrese Haliburton (12)
Josh Green (18)
Tyrese Maxey (21)
Immanuel Quickley (25
Desmond Bane (30)
Xavier Tillman (35)
Saben Lee (38)
Tre Jones (41)
Kenyon Martin, Jr. (52)

Note that, of the 11 guys picked before Haliburton, none of them has been as good as he. & only Ball has been anything special so far.

In short, Deni wasn't a great pick, but he wasn't a terrible pick. He's not the level of flop that Rui threatens to be or Davis looks like so far.

Dat would have taken Haliburton. A bunch of people on this Board were all over Precious Achiuwa, who certainly hasn't been as good as Deni. No one would have taken Green or Maxey at 9 -- not as far as I recall, that is.

That said, Deni needs to develop this season. He needs to be better. &, he did start out strong the first 3-4 games.

Talking about the '20 draft, on the other hand, instead of Deni in particular -- Tommy managed that draft poorly. As he did in 2019, 2021 & 2022.

Edwards and Hailburton project to be the two best players in that class. I think Ball ends up a distant third.

Well... off topic, really, yet... Edwards hasn't been anything special so far (not a criticism: he's very young!).

Everyone agrees about Haliburton, for sure, but Ball came into the league & was terrific from the get-go. Unclear to me why anyone would think he's going to be a "distant" anything.

Then there's Desmond Bane, who, in his third year, is already playing as well as peak Bradley Beal. Then there's Tyrese Maxey.... :)

You also might want to look at what Devin Vassell is doing this year....

I was only looking at the lottery and responded to your post hastily, my apologies. I actually think Maxey has the potential to be the best player in that class and Bane is already looking like a high-end starter on a championship contender. I find Ball to be pretty overrated. He's been disastrous from 2-point range throughout his career, doesn't generate free throws and has not shown to be effective at half-court creation. His defensive foibles are also well documented. Ball will look a lot better if he can finish at the rim more consistently but as of now he's overly reliant on his three point shooting (he was an exceptional volume 3-point shooter last season).
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1559 » by Dark Faze » Mon Nov 7, 2022 12:04 pm

Not gonna lie, I'm losing faith at this point.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#1560 » by JWizmentality » Mon Nov 7, 2022 1:27 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Not gonna lie, I'm losing faith at this point.


Deni stans aren't going to like that. :D

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