Political Roundtable Part XXX

[dckingsfan]

Well if you think he's not serious, you could just ignore it. Saying "Biden is stupid" is very childish - really not worth commenting on.

What I find to be interesting is the term "ignorance" when applied to why gas prices are up, why there is a supply chain issue and that illegal immigration has been falling for the last decade.

The point that Pointgod made is the right one...

...Republicans understand that most people don’t care or understand the nuances of policy...

You can see it right in that post. It is emotional not factual.

[Bonscott]

Queens of denial,it;s actually hilarious

[Zonkerbl]

Ignorance at its finest,
Inflation close to an all time high,gas prices way up,illegal immigration is at an all time high,empty store shelves.Thank god November is right around the corner

I'm going to regret this but inflation is close to an all time high because the economy has added 2 [edit: actually I think it's closer to 4] million jobs in the last six months. It sucks but it's better than, say, having the economy collapse for an extra year because the POTUS tried to pretend COVID didn't exist.

Gas prices are way up. Good! Every time gas prices are this high, consumers respond by consuming less gas and our greenhouse emissions go down, and people start buying electric vehicles. What we need is gas prices like this all the time.

"immigration is at an all time high" - yeah there's an article on google saying "immigrant population is at an all time high" which is complete garbage, everyone who lives here who is not a native american is an immigrant. I mean what does that even mean.

"empty store shelves" this is just a flat out lie, unbelievable anyone believes this garbage. go touch grass

[dobrojim]

Queens of denial,it;s actually hilarious

Misogynist too. Sad.

[Zonkerbl]

I think the liberals are winning this argument.

[Zonkerbl]

Who knew the bizaare anti-CRT crusade is actually just a play to get rid of long division. If they had just said that out loud I'd support it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/04/16/florida-rejects-math-textbooks-prohibited-topics/

[pancakes3]

Joe does stink, more worrying, boomers can't figure out why. pretty big problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/15/politics/biden-youth-approval-polling/index.html

i don't want to defend Biden but the geriatric chokehold that the DNC has on the political process v. the willingness the GOP has to embrace new blood and new ideals is one of many instances of self-sabotage that dems keep tripping themselves over.

I think boomers and gen x are pretty set in their ways and their political support is more set. millennials and gen z though, (1) feel the brunt of the wealth inequality more than older voters; and (2) are marginally better informed and yet still not well informed.

and as always, Dems are awful at messaging. Biden did come out with a wealth tax but (1) has been pretty mum about it; and (2) has been pretty mum about where the money is going. as far as i understand it, much of "where it's going" is to undo the harm that the GOP did to ACA in providing coverage for people that were stripped of protections under Trump's TCJA. a non-negligible amount is going to child care, social security, housing vouchers, and education too, again largely to repair the lack of funding from the previous administration.

yeah, i get that it's a very complex and nuanced issue that can't really be solved by tweets but this is part of the politicians' job. to get out the messaging. universal health care. universal child care. housing subsidies. this can and will get done, but only if Dems continue to control Congress and the White House. Can't let Warnock get kicked out. Have to replace Manchin and Sinema and/or more votes to negate them. Need dem control for 2024-2028 so that the Court can be tilted back 5-4 dems if/when Alito and Thomas kick the bucket.

But the most that Dems can muster is still "Orange Man Bad" and it's ringing pretty hollow.

tl;dr, Biden is losing momentum with millennials and gen z because there's minimal signaling from the halls of power about the issues that millennials and gen z care about: wealth inequality, race inequality, gender/lgbtq+ inequality. a WH press conference about a budget proposal that incorporates a yet-to-be-decided wealth tax is not signaling. millennials and genz aren't reading Wapo/NYT (because they're behind paywalls and again, young people are BROKE). Dems did more to reach out and message about their platform during the Trump years through The Squad than they are now, when they actually hold power. it's just frustrating to see old @ss dems thinking they weathered the Trump storm instead of actually learning lessons from such a catastrophic failure.

like, what's the succession plan for Feinstein? is it to have another senator sit for 30 years? it shouldn't.

[Zonkerbl]

Hard to imagine that Biden was the best option. Cowardly on immigration. Flat out wrong on marijuana legalization. But a lot of Biden's failures are Manchin's responsibility, meaning it was really the Republicans who held off the Dem wave in the Senate in 2020 that are responsible for a lot of Biden's failures. With 20/20 hindsight I wonder if it would not have been a good idea to launch a parallel set of coocoo lawsuits going after the close senate elections that went the Republicans' way. I mean if the Republicans are convincing people the POTUS elections were stolen, that can be easily countered by screaming just as loudly (and fakely, I mean who cares) that the Senate seats were stolen. And maybe that will actually move the needle come this November. But no like pancake says, Dems are content to breathe a sigh of relief and do everything the same way that lost the Senate in 2010, the Potus in 2016, and the SCOTUS in 2020. Why mess with success when your failures have been so spectacular?

[dobrojim]

Biden was only the best option in the sense that he was the one Dem most voters felt comfy with and
felt would insure that Golfy McBonespurs lost. Considering what happened post election,
one shudders to think how the Right would have reacted if say Warren or Sanders had won.
I have a number of more moderate friends who in spite of their feelings about tRump,
might not have voted for the Dem if it wasn't Biden.

Every GOPer who is claims the election was stolen needs to explain why, on the whole,
the GOP did so well in most areas except for POTUS. If the Dems had the ability and
the willingness to steal the election, why didn't they steal it a little more?
And it's true that whoever suggests throwing out the election results needs
to be clear that the entire results would have to be thrown out so all those GOP
wins would also be trashed.

[Wizardspride]

Hard to imagine that Biden was the best option. Cowardly on immigration. Flat out wrong on marijuana legalization. But a lot of Biden's failures are Manchin's responsibility, meaning it was really the Republicans who held off the Dem wave in the Senate in 2020 that are responsible for a lot of Biden's failures. With 20/20 hindsight I wonder if it would not have been a good idea to launch a parallel set of coocoo lawsuits going after the close senate elections that went the Republicans' way. I mean if the Republicans are convincing people the POTUS elections were stolen, that can be easily countered by screaming just as loudly (and fakely, I mean who cares) that the Senate seats were stolen. And maybe that will actually move the needle come this November. But no like pancake says, Dems are content to breathe a sigh of relief and do everything the same way that lost the Senate in 2010, the Potus in 2016, and the SCOTUS in 2020. Why mess with success when your failures have been so spectacular?

Biden may not have been the best option (in terms of policy) but he was the only candidate capable of defeating Trump.....so yeah, no regrets about voting for him.

[Zonkerbl]

Hard to imagine that Biden was the best option. Cowardly on immigration. Flat out wrong on marijuana legalization. But a lot of Biden's failures are Manchin's responsibility, meaning it was really the Republicans who held off the Dem wave in the Senate in 2020 that are responsible for a lot of Biden's failures. With 20/20 hindsight I wonder if it would not have been a good idea to launch a parallel set of coocoo lawsuits going after the close senate elections that went the Republicans' way. I mean if the Republicans are convincing people the POTUS elections were stolen, that can be easily countered by screaming just as loudly (and fakely, I mean who cares) that the Senate seats were stolen. And maybe that will actually move the needle come this November. But no like pancake says, Dems are content to breathe a sigh of relief and do everything the same way that lost the Senate in 2010, the Potus in 2016, and the SCOTUS in 2020. Why mess with success when your failures have been so spectacular?

Biden may not have been the best option (in terms of policy) but he was the only candidate capable of defeating Trump.....so yeah, no regrets about voting for him.

It's a hollow victory. Basically holding off the tidal wave of fascism for, what, two years? I think this country is going full totalitarian Nazism in less than ten years. Basically our only way out of this is for the rest of the world to band together and bomb us back to the stone age, then all the survivors can be like "oh I get it now we're the baddies" as they pull themselves from the rubble

[Zonkerbl]

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What "collapse"? None on the left were team Biden, young or no. He was the candidate most palatable to our corporate overlords since Trump was too much of a wild card. Big money supported Biden, so he won. Then we get back to business as usual. You'll get an occasional AOC, Bernie, Warren, squad, but not enough to loosen the chokehold of the real powers. So twitter, facebook etc will be weaponized to turn Democrats against each other and Manchin gets to keep his coal plant. Unless somehow the left gets a few pet billionaires, or manages to own a mass media corporation, there will always be an uphill battle. Every now and again you'll get a populist super-star, or a true villain of political anti-matter like Trump to draw people together en masse. But in general it is far easier to dis-unite people than to build a sustainable movement. Biden is not a movement, he's a centralist. The only way you can move him left is to tug the center, move the middle. It will be a tough sell though since the billionaires and media companies don't really want to elect any leader who would put reins on their power. So nobody will hear your message, no matter how down to earth, common sense, and blue collar you make it.

[Zonkerbl]

I just don't understand the Democratic party. The Republicans nominated a horrible, fascist, lying, hedonist pro-abortion rapist once he flip flopped to be a right wing extremist, and the so called "centrist" Republicans all voted for him because "Hillary was worse." Which is an outstanding feat of mass mind control. But the Dems can't do the same? Republicans hate Hillary because of a manufactured propaganda campaign full of lies - Trump is *actually* that bad! And yet the Dems are afraid people will vote for him if they veer too far to the left? I call bullpucky.

If the Dems supported the squad the way the Republicans support MTG and similar scum on the right, we wouldn't be where we are, on the verge of massive losses in the house and in danger of losing control of the Senate for the last two years of Biden's term.

Exactly the same thing that happened to Obama, btw. Except he managed to hold on to the Senate. For awhile at least.

[dckingsfan]

What you have to understand is the argument. A isn't good so B.

Now A can be a fallacy but it still works. In this case A is anything the Democrats do and B is nothing.

[Wizardspride]

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[Zonkerbl]

What you have to understand is the argument. A isn't good so B.

Now A can be a fallacy but it still works. In this case A is anything the Democrats do and B is nothing.

If American citizens are collectively that stupid, why doesn't the same trick work for the Democrats? Why does it only go one way?

[dobrojim]

I could be accused of talking out my @ss but maybe because of the basic personality nature
of people that are predisposed to one or the other of the two parties.

Or the Dems don't have someone as clever with language as Luntz.

[FAH1223]

The 35 year old federal judge that Trump nominated and McConnell confirmed post-2020 election overruled the CDC on the mask mandate for air travel. Obviously everyone has COVID fatique and is over wearing a mask on flights.

But the bigger picture...

200+ judges on the federal judiciary blessed by Fed Soc is going to not allow Dems to govern in popular ways for the next 4-5 decades.

[dckingsfan]

What you have to understand is the argument. A isn't good so B.

Now A can be a fallacy but it still works. In this case A is anything the Democrats do and B is nothing.

If American citizens are collectively that stupid, why doesn't the same trick work for the Democrats? Why does it only go one way?

You don't have to fool everyone. You only need to fool a large minority ~25% for it to be effective. That 25% will amplify the fallacy making it difficult for most to keep up with reality.