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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1541 » by Dat2U » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:18 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:My new favorite idea is a Bertans for Sato trade (hat tip to Kanyewest).

If Chicago lands Lonzo Ball, they will be set at PG (Ball, White, Troy Brown Jr.) and won't really need Sato. Indeed, they may choose to pay the $5M to buy out his final year at $10M. If they use Markkanen as incentive to acquire Ball, they will be pretty thin at forward with a lack of catch-and-shoot guys, making Bertans a good fit.

For us, we clear our log jam at forward, add a PG and get towards a more balanced roster with a lot of two-way players who can shoot, pass and defend. The addition of Kispert and KCP render Bertans dead-eye shooting less essential. I'd rather play Kuzma or Avdija in that spot and get better defense and rebounding. The deal also clears up more cap room for next summer.

PG Sato/Holiday
SG Beal/KCP
SF Kispert/Kuzma
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Harrell
End of Bench: Winston, Mathews, Todd, Bryant (still healing)

I like that team! Lots of ball-movement and shooting. Defensively, they're very switchable with no real defensive liabilities. (Early on, we will probably see KCP starting at SF and Kispert or Mathews as the backup SG)
I love the team too but you got to start kuzma over kissper.

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When did Kuzma become a SF? I've always viewed him as strictly a PF. Of course playing with AD & LeBron will allow for some versatility but I don't like him at the 3. His skill, quickness doesnt stand out there.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1542 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:22 pm

Fine, (see below) then if KCP starts Kuzma should initially be ahead of Rui.

One of them has been in the league longer than the other and has championship experience while other one does not.

I think it is imperative to not demote Kuzma and expect the guy to have a good attitude. At the same time I think bringing Rui Off the Bench would be ideal.



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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1543 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:24 pm

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nate33 wrote:My new favorite idea is a Bertans for Sato trade (hat tip to Kanyewest).

If Chicago lands Lonzo Ball, they will be set at PG (Ball, White, Troy Brown Jr.) and won't really need Sato. Indeed, they may choose to pay the $5M to buy out his final year at $10M. If they use Markkanen as incentive to acquire Ball, they will be pretty thin at forward with a lack of catch-and-shoot guys, making Bertans a good fit.

For us, we clear our log jam at forward, add a PG and get towards a more balanced roster with a lot of two-way players who can shoot, pass and defend. The addition of Kispert and KCP render Bertans dead-eye shooting less essential. I'd rather play Kuzma or Avdija in that spot and get better defense and rebounding. The deal also clears up more cap room for next summer.

PG Sato/Holiday
SG Beal/KCP
SF Kispert/Kuzma
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Harrell
End of Bench: Winston, Mathews, Todd, Bryant (still healing)

I like that team! Lots of ball-movement and shooting. Defensively, they're very switchable with no real defensive liabilities. (Early on, we will probably see KCP starting at SF and Kispert or Mathews as the backup SG)
I love the team too but you got to start kuzma over kissper.

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KCP is going to start at SF as Nate said. If Kuzma doesn't get moved, it will be interesting to see how they play him. Wes Jr. ain't playing when it comes to defense, though he's also all about shot selection.
Sato
Beal
KCP
Kuzma
Gafford

Doesn't matter if some of the bench guys are better than some of the starters that's actually a good thing. Finish the game with whoever is playing the best. Cohesion and team chemistry really matter and certain guys really need to start. I personally think kcp would be fine coming off the bench.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1544 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:24 pm

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payitforward wrote:Btw, to me this Siakam business is comedy. I'm not arguing with any -- certainly not with you, badinage -- I'm just thinking of it as funny. Especially given the intense desire to have Ujiri as our GM turning into him hornswoggling us into the being the destination for the player he needs to move in order to rebuild the Raps.

UNLESS! 3D chess playing Ujiri thinks Siakam will rehabilitate his suppressed value on a team with Beal. And he has traded to himself a secret weapon.

Tommy has already thought of that possibility, Doc -- which means he'll never do the deal. It'd be like firing himself.

Plus... if he's too smart to fall for that, then, when Ujiri gets here he'll give him a raise rather than demoting him to head of PR. You dig?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1545 » by Benjammin » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:26 pm

Kuzma is certainly long enough to play the 4 (7-0 wingspan), but his rebounding is weak at the 4. I think he can play the 3 and d type role, but he's not one to create his own offense from the 3.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1546 » by nate33 » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:30 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Sato
Beal
KCP
Kuzma
Gafford

Doesn't matter if some of the bench guys are better than some of the starters that's actually a good thing. Finish the game with whoever is playing the best. Cohesion and team chemistry really matter and certain guys really need to start.

Kuzma is 26 years old and has been in the league 4 years. WYSIWYG. I'd much rather continue investing in developing Hachimura, even if he isn't any better than Kuzma at the moment.

Down the road, if Hachimura doesn't continue to improve, then sure, start Kuzma (or preferably Avdija); but I think the starting job should be Hachimura's to lose for the time being.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1547 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:31 pm

Beal
Mathews
KCP
Kuzma
Hachimura

The permutations of lineups...scoring with absolute sieve defense....Bench guys to bring defense and size

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1548 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:31 pm

https://theathletic.com/2745940/2021/08/02/hollinger-as-nba-free-agency-opens-what-im-hearing-and-what-teams-actions-are-saying/
The next domino is probably Brooklyn’s Spencer Dinwiddie, whom the Nets could put into a sign-and-trade deal with another team – such as the Wizards – if DeAndre Jordan could be part of the deal. In Washington’s case that’s actually possible, as a Dinwiddie trade that paid him in the $18 million a year range on a three-year deal and included Jordan could be executed for Kyle Kuzma … if, and only if, the Wizards can stuff it into the already-completed, but not official ’til Aug. 6, four-team Russell Westbrook trade.

One other potential wrinkle on that swap: Washington could instead pursue Alex Caruso and stuff him into the deal as part of a sign-and-trade that generates a decent-sized trade exception for L.A. At least one source thinks Caruso is in the Wizards’ sights.

As for the Dinwiddie-Washington talk, one league source said it was pure vapor, while another insisted it was real but only if the Nets could dump Jordan (owed two years and nearly $20 million). Brooklyn would likely frown heavily on a Kuzma-Dinwiddie swap straight up, however, as Kuzma would cost the Nets $60 million this year once Brooklyn’s jaw-dropping luxury tax payments factor in.

All the moving parts to a potential Dinwiddie deal in Washington may necessitate the Wizards looking elsewhere. They will not start the season with the soon-to-be-acquired Aaron Holiday next to Bradley Beal. There’s some hum that the Wizards might have interest in Malcolm Brogdon as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1549 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:32 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Sato
Beal
KCP
Kuzma
Gafford

Doesn't matter if some of the bench guys are better than some of the starters that's actually a good thing. Finish the game with whoever is playing the best. Cohesion and team chemistry really matter and certain guys really need to start.

Kuzma is 26 years old and has been in the league 4 years. WYSIWYG. I'd much rather continue investing in developing Hachimura, even if he isn't any better than Kuzma at the moment.

Down the road, if Hachimura doesn't continue to improve, then sure, start Kuzma (or preferably Avdija); but I think the starting job should be Hachimura's to lose for the time being.
Honestly, if I were a coach I would tell those three guys that I have just arbitrarily decided to go by age and experience to give you initial playing time spots. Somebody has to be pissed off so I'm going to tell you why I made this decision and let you know that it's a fluid situation.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1550 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:35 pm

The beginning of free agency will basically be musical chairs for pg's. I expect Sheppard will move fast.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1551 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:37 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:My new favorite idea is a Bertans for Sato trade (hat tip to Kanyewest).

If Chicago lands Lonzo Ball, they will be set at PG (Ball, White, Troy Brown Jr.) and won't really need Sato. Indeed, they may choose to pay the $5M to buy out his final year at $10M. If they use Markkanen as incentive to acquire Ball, they will be pretty thin at forward with a lack of catch-and-shoot guys, making Bertans a good fit.

For us, we clear our log jam at forward, add a PG and get towards a more balanced roster with a lot of two-way players who can shoot, pass and defend. The addition of Kispert and KCP render Bertans dead-eye shooting less essential. I'd rather play Kuzma or Avdija in that spot and get better defense and rebounding. The deal also clears up more cap room for next summer.

PG Sato/Holiday
SG Beal/KCP
SF Kispert/Kuzma
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Harrell
End of Bench: Winston, Mathews, Todd, Bryant (still healing)

I like that team! Lots of ball-movement and shooting. Defensively, they're very switchable with no real defensive liabilities. (Early on, we will probably see KCP starting at SF and Kispert or Mathews as the backup SG)
I love the team too but you got to start kuzma over kissper.

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I like the synergy of the lineup I put together as having a balance of offense and defense, shot creation and off-ball catch-and-shoot ability, but it would certainly depend on Kispert being NBA ready from the get go. I agree that it's fairly likely that Kispert starts the season coming off the bench, so my lineup is probably something that we could see later in the year. I'd be fine with Kuzma starting at SF. Or maybe KCP.


Satoransky does make a lot of sense for a one year stop-gate at PG. Wonder what it would take to get him.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1552 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 2, 2021 7:53 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:My new favorite idea is a Bertans for Sato trade (hat tip to Kanyewest).

If Chicago lands Lonzo Ball, they will be set at PG (Ball, White, Troy Brown Jr.) and won't really need Sato. Indeed, they may choose to pay the $5M to buy out his final year at $10M. If they use Markkanen as incentive to acquire Ball, they will be pretty thin at forward with a lack of catch-and-shoot guys, making Bertans a good fit.

For us, we clear our log jam at forward, add a PG and get towards a more balanced roster with a lot of two-way players who can shoot, pass and defend. The addition of Kispert and KCP render Bertans dead-eye shooting less essential. I'd rather play Kuzma or Avdija in that spot and get better defense and rebounding. The deal also clears up more cap room for next summer.

PG Sato/Holiday
SG Beal/KCP
SF Kispert/Kuzma
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Harrell
End of Bench: Winston, Mathews, Todd, Bryant (still healing)

I like that team! Lots of ball-movement and shooting. Defensively, they're very switchable with no real defensive liabilities. (Early on, we will probably see KCP starting at SF and Kispert or Mathews as the backup SG)
I love the team too but you got to start kuzma over kissper.

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When did Kuzma become a SF? I've always viewed him as strictly a PF. Of course playing with AD & LeBron will allow for some versatility but I don't like him at the 3. His skill, quickness doesnt stand out there.

One of the problems with having Kuzma, Bertans, Rui, and Deni is that all of them are tweener forwards - not in a good way. We don't have a tough guy to play PF or an athletic forward to play SF.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1553 » by doclinkin » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:13 pm

payitforward wrote:
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payitforward wrote:Btw, to me this Siakam business is comedy. I'm not arguing with any -- certainly not with you, badinage -- I'm just thinking of it as funny. Especially given the intense desire to have Ujiri as our GM turning into him hornswoggling us into the being the destination for the player he needs to move in order to rebuild the Raps.

UNLESS! 3D chess playing Ujiri thinks Siakam will rehabilitate his suppressed value on a team with Beal. And he has traded to himself a secret weapon.

Tommy has already thought of that possibility, Doc -- which means he'll never do the deal. It'd be like firing himself.

Plus... if he's too smart to fall for that, then, when Ujiri gets here he'll give him a raise rather than demoting him to head of PR. You dig?



Oh see I've been over this many times before but! Again: Tommy is the General Manager. The team has many Presidents in their job titles, and 3 Vice Presidents under the heading of Monumental Basketball, but there is no President of Basketball Operations. Tommy could still be a GM under Ujiri. Ujiri would have oversight over all the pro Basketball teams, and influence on long term strategy.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1554 » by doclinkin » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:17 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Sato
Beal
KCP
Kuzma
Gafford

Doesn't matter if some of the bench guys are better than some of the starters that's actually a good thing. Finish the game with whoever is playing the best. Cohesion and team chemistry really matter and certain guys really need to start.

Kuzma is 26 years old and has been in the league 4 years. WYSIWYG. I'd much rather continue investing in developing Hachimura, even if he isn't any better than Kuzma at the moment.

Down the road, if Hachimura doesn't continue to improve, then sure, start Kuzma (or preferably Avdija); but I think the starting job should be Hachimura's to lose for the time being.
Honestly, if I were a coach I would tell those three guys that I have just arbitrarily decided to go by age and experience to give you initial playing time spots. Somebody has to be pissed off so I'm going to tell you why I made this decision and let you know that it's a fluid situation.


Or more likely, the coach could play it out in Training camp, and let the player who earns the Job, take the starter's minutes by merit. That way you encourage players to work hard and achieve instead of having things handed to them. You know, like: coaching. :clown:
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1555 » by Benjammin » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:21 pm

Deleted post of bogus rumor.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1556 » by TGW » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:34 pm

Benjammin wrote:I'm not sure if this has been shared or not. I doubt it would happen.

Read on Twitter
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Post#1557 » by Benjammin » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:36 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1558 » by AFM » Mon Aug 2, 2021 8:41 pm

I’ve heard that the Wizards are showing serious interest in trading for Bofa.
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Post#1559 » by tontoz » Mon Aug 2, 2021 9:15 pm

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Benjammin wrote:I'm not sure if this has been shared or not. I doubt it would happen.

Read on Twitter
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Dude is trolling man. C’mon.




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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLI 

Post#1560 » by ghsermon » Mon Aug 2, 2021 9:16 pm

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Benjammin wrote:I'm not sure if this has been shared or not. I doubt it would happen.

Read on Twitter
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Dude is trolling man. C’mon.



Lol "Gorthot" wasn't a giveway.

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