Political Roundtable Part XXXIII

[Zonkerbl]

Thanks for proving my point!

[dckingsfan]

Fascinating. Worst 4 years compared to what? Our GDP is very solid. Our job growth is very solid. Our inflation numbers compared to the rest of the world are extremely impressive.

But this is the MAGA way. Drop a piece of misinformation and then run.

And the reason we have Trump is because the right-wing social media, right wing-shock jocks and state actors are better at disseminating the disinformation.

[AFM]

That guy definitely speaks for himself only lol

[dobrojim]

Fascinating. Worst 4 years compared to what? Our GDP is very solid. Our job growth is very solid. Our inflation numbers compared to the rest of the world are extremely impressive.

But this is the MAGA way. Drop a piece of misinformation and then run.

And the reason we have Trump is because the right-wing social media, right wing-shock jocks and state actors are better at disseminating the disinformation.

Certainly not compared to the catastrophic condition the economy was in after either of the
last 2 GOP POTUSs. Both were utterly destroyed personally and showed no leadership in a crisis.
The DEM POTUSes that succeeded them had massive messes to clean up.
Both Dubya/Trump are intellectual midgets and ignoramuses. They were both golden boys of complete privilege.
Let's be honest, they were both Legacy hires. And the righties complain about DEI!

[AFM]

According to MAGA every time a black person does anything good its DEI. Any time a black person does anything bad its because they're inferior

Michael Jordan was DEI hire

[FAH1223]

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The only reason Biden doesn’t strangle this traitor is because he’s trying to set a good example for the rest at of the world. Trump is such a loathsome piece of garbage

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[FAH1223]

This interview at 37 min in is a must listen

Astead reveals a lot about what happened after the 2022 midterm

https://www.youtube.com/live/6JpCR9HEzHs?si=uzRWvzdxWmKiota9

[Pointgod]

This right here. It’s like Americans rationalized themselves into voting for a monster. I think they literally just want to be lied to.

Read on Twitter

[dobrojim]

It's not clear to me that enough folks have a consistent, rational grasp on what is good and what is not good.
Their (lack of) education is likely to have painful consequences (duh) for many of their fellow citizens.

[Pointgod]

Democrats want black power,if someone else thinks they just want the best person for the job then democrats label them racist
You democrats need to wake up as to why Trump is moving back in to the White House
Harris was installed by the democrats after one of the worst 4 years in modern history,democrats waited far too long to figure out that Trump would beat Biden so there were no primaries,they just forced her one the people
I'm not a Trump lover I didn't even vote for him in the primaries(oh right democrats don't know what primaries are)
It was an easy choice who to vote for,this country doesn't need 4 more years of this

Hey buddy I say this and mean this sincerely….**** you! I don’t care about your delusional victimization fantasies you miserable prick. I care about real issues like Zonkerbl and Dobrojim’s daughter and son being able to access healthcare. You Trump supporters only care about yourselves and to make other people’s lives miserable, which is why you’re still angry and unhappy even after he won.

I don’t care if I’m called out of touch or banned from this thread. If you can look someone in the eye and tell them they deserve a worse quality of life because someone online called you racist, you’re a POS.

[dobrojim]

Bonscott has a very selective memory. The list of completely inappropriate and harmful things
Golfy McBonespurs did in his first term... too hard to remember them all.
2 of the worst although it's hard to choose:
1. Trusting Putin/Russia more than our intelligence services
2. His response to covid. He didn't want testing because it would make him look bad.

Bonscot is either being paid by Rooskies, a mentally defective
(malignant narcissist like Golfy) or both.

I think George Conway is right. Golfy wants to destroy us.
His cabinet picks are pretty clear evidence of such.
The scariest part about this is how reliant we are on complete
toadies and sycophants to mitigate the damage.

Go to the end of this vid (last minute)

Watch on YouTube

[dckingsfan]

This right here. It’s like Americans rationalized themselves into voting for a monster. I think they literally just want to be lied to.

I don't think it is that. The medium is the message and Rs control that now. Americans in general are pretty ignorant when it comes to geopolitics or economics.

So, when you have the right-wing anger jockeys, right-wing social media and state actors bombarding them with disinformation they just fold into "believing".

You can see this with the economy, which is strong. Nevertheless, you see folks on this thread saying it is the worst economy in our history. And of course, one needs to put this in context with the worldwide economy where we are killing it. But that requires nuance and an understanding of economics. Not happening with this current medium.

Same with geopolitics. How many understand that we were party to the agreement where Ukraine gave up its nukes for protection from the west. Why would any country not obtain nukes now given that they can't count on the west?

Then you come to immigration. Blue states are blocking immigrants - they need them too badly. And there is no way you get to the root cause of immigration (push/pull). I just go into the pull - grandma likes her house cleaner, your next-door neighbor likes his gardener, we want houses built and our crops harvested. We give them jobs. Immigrants aren't going to stop coming.

The point? Until we have a medium that educates, we will have an ignorant voting population. And anger (and the dinosaur brain in us) wins.

[dckingsfan]

Bonscott has a very selective memory.

He's just ignorant of the facts. He has proven that over the collection of his posts.

You can't really argue with ignorance/emotion. He is just trying to promote an anger response as that is all he has.

[closg00]

Putting this here. Jake Paul is such a loathsome POS the way he is the Donald Trump of boxing with his fake fights and bouts against older opponents, and totally shameless about it.

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[doclinkin]

This right here. It’s like Americans rationalized themselves into voting for a monster. I think they literally just want to be lied to.

I don't think it is that. The medium is the message and Rs control that now. Americans in general are pretty ignorant when it comes to geopolitics or economics.

So, when you have the right-wing anger jockeys, right-wing social media and state actors bombarding them with disinformation they just fold into "believing".

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The point? Until we have a medium that educates, we will have an ignorant voting population. And anger (and the dinosaur brain in us) wins.

I think it’s difficult to un-summon that demon though.

What it would take is enforcing robust anti trust laws in a way that would disallow for two billionaires to own the majority of social media traffic. And 6 mega corporations controlling 90% of traditional media.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Harris did everything she could, turnout was pretty good, a little down from Biden because there were some defections to Trump, but basically Trump committed to full evil, hammering on hate and fear as much as possible and it worked because we're an evil country. I don't blame Harris for not being as evil as Trump. It's true the Dem mods are still in charge, stupidly thinking they can appeal to moderate Republicans. Come on. I think saying "I'm not going to change much from Biden because I agree with him on a lot, but one thing we need to start doing differently is recognize that Netanyahu is Jewish Trump" would have helped *a little,* but looks like Trump would have won anyway. It's what the country wants - entertainment. He's entertaining, he's an incredibly talented supervillain portrayer and it's fun to root for the bad guy.

We are in a big time wrestling country now and the heels are in charge and the only way to win is to get in the ring and fight as faces. Wrap yourself in the flag and loudly proclaim that you are fighting in the name of decency and apple pie and be as dramatic and entertaining as possible. No more earnest, nerdy debating about how rounding 25 million people up for deportation is evil, actually - duh! Boring! Trump supporters know it's evil, but it's so damn entertaining. Time to give these bored, entertainment starved marks something exciting to root for on the side of all that is good and wholesome.

I don't think it's the economy. There are countries where the average income per capita is $1000 and we're whining about how our $60k salary didn't rise enough with inflation? Get real. We're super wealthy and bored and getting angry is fun. Time to acknowledge that bored voters pay attention to politics only if it relieves their ennui at least a little and craft a message around that.

I read an article a couple of days ago criticizing Harris for abandoning her message of “joy” and attacking Trump’s character during the last few weeks of the campaign. They thought the joy message would have won. Well, they’re wrong.

As you say, at its core America is an evil country. It was built on the slaughter of Native Americans and the enslavement of Africans. That’s about as evil as it gets. (I'm not suggesting that all Americans are evil.)

Trump’s pure, dark machismo evil is a partticulary tough matchup for a photogenic, smiling brown-skin woman. Sadly, too many of us root for and choose the sinister Joker over the do-good Batman.

When Trump was asking if Kamala was black, I wish the first words out of her mouth were, "Okay, mighty white man, let's talk about your father, the racist with Klan affiliation. You're a white supremist."

She could have said he's disgusting and not like her husband or most white men she knows. Kamala needed to charm white, male voters, and assume she had the LGBTQ and blacks and females in the bag.

When asked if she would have done anything differently from Biden, she should have read the room. She should have said people are concerned about the border and the economy, and she would enact changes.

I still think she would have lost because people voted for the white man. Evil won.

[closg00]

Donald Trump has received 50% of the vote from the American people, Harris 48.2%. FJB
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/

[Bonscott]

Bonscott has a very selective memory. The list of completely inappropriate and harmful things
Golfy McBonespurs did in his first term... too hard to remember them all.
2 of the worst although it's hard to choose:
1. Trusting Putin/Russia more than our intelligence services
2. His response to covid. He didn't want testing because it would make him look bad.

Bonscot is either being paid by Rooskies, a mentally defective
(malignant narcissist like Golfy) or both.

I think George Conway is right. Golfy wants to destroy us.
His cabinet picks are pretty clear evidence of such.
The scariest part about this is how reliant we are on complete
toadies and sycophants to mitigate the damage.

Go to the end of this vid (last minute)

Watch on YouTube

Too bad everything I posted is completely true,facts suck don't they Einstein ?

[DCZards]

The point? Until we have a medium that educates, we will have an ignorant voting population. And anger (and the dinosaur brain in us) wins.

Yes, a medium that educates would help…but only so much. People have to want to be educated. That starts with an open mind.

Oftentimes, it is easier to believe charlatans like Trump and embrace their lies and half-truths when what that are spewing aligns with your current view of the world and your opinion of people who don’t look, talk, dress, or worship like you.

[pancakes3]

i for one am shocked that a bruins fan is terrified at the idea of another black president.