Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

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Fair enough. The market has changed.

[Dat2U]

I hate that Bilal hasn't developed but at the same time, I'm pretty sure that if we trade him to OKC, he'd just be their next all star in a year or two.

What's up with Kuminga? Seems like the W's don't really want him on the court, or he doesn't really want to be there? He's probably gettable in a trade but not sure that we'd want him. Maybe after we see where we fall in the draft. Adding Kuminga and Peterson or another PG in the draft would be a decent offseason, as long as our own young guys get better.

It's looking like Kuminga will be gone from Golden State by this summer. Either they will let him walk (it's a Team Option on his contract) or they will try and trade him at the deadline. But at $22M, I don't know how many teams are lining up to absorb him.

A simple Kuminga for Kispert trade might make some sense for both teams if Golden State is totally fed up with Kuminga by January. It would really add to our log jam at forward though. I'm not even sure if I like it. I think we should try and play Kispert even more to see if he can help stabilize our rotation.

I'm not a Kuminga fan. While I think he can be a fairly productive player I worry about his overall impact. He still has tunnel vision and doesn't see the floor well. He's still a mess defensively. He's also looking to get paid, I'd rather pass.

[AFM]

Watch on YouTube

This guy proposed two hypotheticals involving us:

Corey Kispert for Pat Connaughton (expiring) and 3 2nds.


and

Kispert Bagley for Caleb Martin D'Angelo Russell and DAL's 2029 FRP (swap)

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I'd do that Dallas trade for the extra first, not just a swap.

If we get nothing better for Kispert, then I guess we dump him for 2nds. I'm not sure he's going to improve enough to get a first, at least with this team. Maybe if he was playing with Wall getting him a ton of open looks and he was dropping 20 a game, he'd get more back in a trade. With Bub and CJ, not so much.

[mhd]

I'd do that Dallas trade for the extra first, not just a swap.

If we get nothing better for Kispert, then I guess we dump him for 2nds. I'm not sure he's going to improve enough to get a first, at least with this team. Maybe if he was playing with Wall getting him a ton of open looks and he was dropping 20 a game, he'd get more back in a trade. With Bub and CJ, not so much.

I’d keep Kispert. His gravity allows spacing for everyone else to develop. We’re in no need of cap space and we have million future seconds.

[nate33]

I'd do that Dallas trade for the extra first, not just a swap.

If we get nothing better for Kispert, then I guess we dump him for 2nds. I'm not sure he's going to improve enough to get a first, at least with this team. Maybe if he was playing with Wall getting him a ton of open looks and he was dropping 20 a game, he'd get more back in a trade. With Bub and CJ, not so much.

I’d keep Kispert. His gravity allows spacing for everyone else to develop. We’re in no need of cap space and we have million future seconds.

Yeah. I'm just not that interested in a bunch more SRP's. If Kispert doesn't get us a FRP, then I'd rather keep him.

[gambitx777]

I'll trade kispert for seconds in a heart beat. Cuz second round picks are basically low lever trade currency and having the ability to trade 4 seconds for a late first and not be too depleted is OKC all day.

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[Dark Faze]

You still need tradable salaries. Kispert probably has more value that way than through acquiring some 2nds.

[nate33]

I'll trade kispert for seconds in a heart beat. Cuz second round picks are basically low lever trade currency and having the ability to trade 4 seconds for a late first and not be too depleted is OKC all day.

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We already have 3 2026 SRP's, 2 2027 SRP's, 2 2028 SRP's, 2 2030 SRP's, and 2 2031 SRP's.

If we have the opportunity to consolidate a bunch of SRP's into one FRP, we already have the ammo to do it. I'm not interested in having so many SRP's that we are essentially forced to squander them in bad trades just because we can't carry that many players on the roster.

If we make a 4-for-1 consolidation trade using our picks, THEN I might be interested in a Kispert trade to replenish the stockpile. But only after we make the consolidation trade.

[gambitx777]

I'll trade kispert for seconds in a heart beat. Cuz second round picks are basically low lever trade currency and having the ability to trade 4 seconds for a late first and not be too depleted is OKC all day.

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We already have 3 2026 SRP's, 2 2027 SRP's, 2 2028 SRP's, 2 2030 SRP's, and 2 2031 SRP's.

If we have the opportunity to consolidate a bunch of SRP's into one FRP, we already have the ammo to do it. I'm not interested in having so many SRP's that we are essentially forced to squander them in bad trades just because we can't carry that many players on the roster.

If we make a 4-for-1 consolidation trade using our picks, THEN I might be interested in a Kispert trade to replenish the stockpile. But only after we make the consolidation trade.

That's kind of a silly reason to not trade kispert. Getting rid of him doesn't make us better and more importantly it doesn't really make us worse either.

If you get stuck with 5 seconds one year which I don't see happening you just take euro draft and stashed because some times this guys can have the same value in a trade as a second rounder.

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[AFM]

yall just dont like Kispert cus you hate to see a white boy with a little motion. same reason you hate Vuc. Dont think I dont notice

[nate33]

I'll trade kispert for seconds in a heart beat. Cuz second round picks are basically low lever trade currency and having the ability to trade 4 seconds for a late first and not be too depleted is OKC all day.

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We already have 3 2026 SRP's, 2 2027 SRP's, 2 2028 SRP's, 2 2030 SRP's, and 2 2031 SRP's.

If we have the opportunity to consolidate a bunch of SRP's into one FRP, we already have the ammo to do it. I'm not interested in having so many SRP's that we are essentially forced to squander them in bad trades just because we can't carry that many players on the roster.

If we make a 4-for-1 consolidation trade using our picks, THEN I might be interested in a Kispert trade to replenish the stockpile. But only after we make the consolidation trade.

That's kind of a silly reason to not trade kispert. Getting rid of him doesn't make us better and more importantly it doesn't really make us worse either.

If you get stuck with 5 seconds one year which I don't see happening you just take euro draft and stashed because some times this guys can have the same value in a trade as a second rounder.

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The question is, does Corey Kispert have more value to us in the form of Corey Kispert, or in the form of the two or so SRP's we would probably get it we traded him?

I think he has more value in the form of Corey Kispert. Corey Kispert is a useful basketball player and a very good locker room presence. He leads the team in on/off differential. It's usually unwise to throw 5 young players on the court together without some veteran knowhow to keep them organized. Kispert is ideal in that role because he is an ideal complementary player who spaces the floor and makes good off-ball cuts, which pulls defensive attention away from our young stars in training, while not taking the ball out of their hands. And defensively, while not good, he at least knows where to be and can help the team execute the scheme.

I'd rather have that than two SRP's. I'm still amenable to eventually flipping Kispert into some form of future value, but we can still do that if he is in the form of Corey Kispert rather than the form of two SRP's. Teams can use a Corey Kispert. In fact, his salary slot would probably be necessary as ballast to make most trades possible.

[pcbothwel]

We already have 3 2026 SRP's, 2 2027 SRP's, 2 2028 SRP's, 2 2030 SRP's, and 2 2031 SRP's.

If we have the opportunity to consolidate a bunch of SRP's into one FRP, we already have the ammo to do it. I'm not interested in having so many SRP's that we are essentially forced to squander them in bad trades just because we can't carry that many players on the roster.

If we make a 4-for-1 consolidation trade using our picks, THEN I might be interested in a Kispert trade to replenish the stockpile. But only after we make the consolidation trade.

That's kind of a silly reason to not trade kispert. Getting rid of him doesn't make us better and more importantly it doesn't really make us worse either.

If you get stuck with 5 seconds one year which I don't see happening you just take euro draft and stashed because some times this guys can have the same value in a trade as a second rounder.

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The question is, does Corey Kispert have more value to us in the form of Corey Kispert, or in the form of the two or so SRP's we would probably get it we traded him?

I think he has more value in the form of Corey Kispert. Corey Kispert is a useful basketball player and a very good locker room presence. He leads the team in on/off differential. It's usually unwise to throw 5 young players on the court together without some veteran knowhow to keep them organized. Kispert is ideal in that role because he is an ideal complementary player who spaces the floor and makes good off-ball cuts, which pulls defensive attention away from our young stars in training, while not taking the ball out of their hands. And defensively, while not good, he at least knows where to be and can help the team execute the scheme.

I'd rather have that than two SRP's. I'm still amenable to eventually flipping Kispert into some form of future value, but we can still do that if he is in the form of Corey Kispert rather than the form of two SRP's. Teams can use a Corey Kispert. In fact, his salary slot would probably be necessary as ballast to make most trades possible.

nate...what are you talking about. Kispert is shooting 50/40/72 this year (66% TS), a 2:1 AST:TOV ratio, elite FG% at the rim, leads the team in On/Off, and has a declining 4-year contract at below the MLE with a TO in the last year...
Yuck... Get him out of here so we can get 2 more picks in the 50's and then have spend bad money to reach the cap floor in 2026

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@ pcbothwei -- you might want to reread nate's post, as I believe you two are in violent agreement!

[pcbothwel]

@ pcbothwei -- you might want to reread nate's post, as I believe you two are in violent agreement!

Im aware, lol... I should of used green font.

[Dark Faze]

Would anyone entertain Bilal for Jared McCain?

I don't feel particularly great about it but can see arguments for both sides...

[dckingsfan]

Would anyone entertain Bilal for Jared McCain?

I don't feel particularly great about it but can see arguments for both sides...

Why do the Sixers make the trade? They need a defensive stopper?

[dckingsfan]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47191857/sources-giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-discussing-future

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

yall just dont like Kispert cus you hate to see a white boy with a little motion. same reason you hate Vuc. Dont think I dont notice

We already have 3 2026 SRP's, 2 2027 SRP's, 2 2028 SRP's, 2 2030 SRP's, and 2 2031 SRP's.

If we have the opportunity to consolidate a bunch of SRP's into one FRP, we already have the ammo to do it. I'm not interested in having so many SRP's that we are essentially forced to squander them in bad trades just because we can't carry that many players on the roster.

If we make a 4-for-1 consolidation trade using our picks, THEN I might be interested in a Kispert trade to replenish the stockpile. But only after we make the consolidation trade.

That's kind of a silly reason to not trade kispert. Getting rid of him doesn't make us better and more importantly it doesn't really make us worse either.

If you get stuck with 5 seconds one year which I don't see happening you just take euro draft and stashed because some times this guys can have the same value in a trade as a second rounder.

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The question is, does Corey Kispert have more value to us in the form of Corey Kispert, or in the form of the two or so SRP's we would probably get it we traded him?

I think he has more value in the form of Corey Kispert. Corey Kispert is a useful basketball player and a very good locker room presence. He leads the team in on/off differential. It's usually unwise to throw 5 young players on the court together without some veteran knowhow to keep them organized. Kispert is ideal in that role because he is an ideal complementary player who spaces the floor and makes good off-ball cuts, which pulls defensive attention away from our young stars in training, while not taking the ball out of their hands. And defensively, while not good, he at least knows where to be and can help the team execute the scheme.

I'd rather have that than two SRP's. I'm still amenable to eventually flipping Kispert into some form of future value, but we can still do that if he is in the form of Corey Kispert rather than the form of two SRP's. Teams can use a Corey Kispert. In fact, his salary slot would probably be necessary as ballast to make most trades possible.

That's kind of a silly reason to not trade kispert. Getting rid of him doesn't make us better and more importantly it doesn't really make us worse either.

If you get stuck with 5 seconds one year which I don't see happening you just take euro draft and stashed because some times this guys can have the same value in a trade as a second rounder.

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The question is, does Corey Kispert have more value to us in the form of Corey Kispert, or in the form of the two or so SRP's we would probably get it we traded him?

I think he has more value in the form of Corey Kispert. Corey Kispert is a useful basketball player and a very good locker room presence. He leads the team in on/off differential. It's usually unwise to throw 5 young players on the court together without some veteran knowhow to keep them organized. Kispert is ideal in that role because he is an ideal complementary player who spaces the floor and makes good off-ball cuts, which pulls defensive attention away from our young stars in training, while not taking the ball out of their hands. And defensively, while not good, he at least knows where to be and can help the team execute the scheme.

I'd rather have that than two SRP's. I'm still amenable to eventually flipping Kispert into some form of future value, but we can still do that if he is in the form of Corey Kispert rather than the form of two SRP's. Teams can use a Corey Kispert. In fact, his salary slot would probably be necessary as ballast to make most trades possible.

nate...what are you talking about. Kispert is shooting 50/40/72 this year (66% TS), a 2:1 AST:TOV ratio, elite FG% at the rim, leads the team in On/Off, and has a declining 4-year contract at below the MLE with a TO in the last year...
Yuck... Get him out of here so we can get 2 more picks in the 50's and then have spend bad money to reach the cap floor in 2026

The Wizards should keep Kispert. He is an ideal veteran leader.

AFM is joking, but IMO, there is a bias against Kispert and Vukcevic. It wouldn't be there if one was named Corey Jones, and the other was named Tristan Armstrong. What if they had basketball names?

"How about Cleveland Kispert? "Davontae Vukcevic is quite good,"


P.S.
I think the Wizards could use white players in this draft. PF/C Jaxon Kohler (MI St) and Braden Smith (Purdue). Let's apply all the tropes. They are smart players. They play the right way. They hustle. They're super efficient.

(I am patting myself on the back for avoiding a joke involving current politics).

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@ pcbothwei -- you might want to reread nate's post, as I believe you two are in violent agreement!

Im aware, lol... I should of used green font.

& I should have noticed the wink emoji!!...