Otto Porter

hands11 · Post #1561 » by **hands11** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:26 am

Higga wrote:I actually prefer Porter starting. Pierce can play off the bench with the rest of the AARP squad. There might be too much pressure on Porter if he came in off the bench as the 6th man, as the 6th man on a playoff team is often counted on to make big baskets. As a starter he can run with Wall, Beal(when he returns)Nene and Gortat and just be the 5th guy contributing while improving his game.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... -porter-jr

Well this last game allows making that move a bit more comfortable.

He has shown enough to prove he can replace what Trevor A was doing.

I hated the way they ran the offense to start the game by taking the ball out of Walls hands. But if Wall is running the offense like he was the 2nd half, Otto makes for a great fit by running around and spotting up. He is clearly fast and have more energy then Paul does.

That would make Paul a good fit with the Miller and Hump

hands11 · Post #1562 » by **hands11** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:45 am

theboomking wrote:Since this is a sports forum and the whole point of the thing is to get ahead of yourself, I wonder what the endgame is with Porter if we get Durant. Could you start Wall, Beal, Porter, and Durant together and win championships? Would you use Porter to anchor the 2nd team? Do you trade OP for a PF or C? If you trade Porter and he continues to look as good as he has in summer league and preseason, what could you get for him?

Great questions. But first things first. We are a few years away from Durrant. So we don't need to worry about that just yet.

For now, I would focus on projecting and hopefully enjoying Otto on the Wizards this year. That is whats in our reach. And thats the data you need to answer those other questions.

Otto is ready
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... e-10-22-14

dlts20 · Post #1563 » by **dlts20** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:49 pm

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Dark Faze · Post #1564 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:26 pm

More tools than Beal came into the league with imo. If he works on his handle and his long ball along with getting stronger then I think he has all-star potential. I think he's fully capable of creating his own shot.

hands11 · Post #1565 » by **hands11** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:55 pm

^^^

Remember how bad Trevor A was at putting the ball on the court and closing out ?

Otto isn't bad at that like Trevor A was.

Trevor A with handles. Interesting to consider.

It does kind of change the season outlook if he can get there faster then most would have thought.

But the things holding back optimal season projects are Beal, Webster and Humphries. Though Humphries could be ready for the season opener. Another thing I don't like is that they haven't used Gortat the same way on offense. Would have liked to have seen one good game from him in preseason. We know he can do it. But how many games before they change this up and get back to PnR with him.

But Nene looks good in preseason. Actually making FTs finally. He only missed one attempt

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... ne-hilario

JudBuchler · Post #1566 » by **JudBuchler** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:01 pm

I like otto porters game, i think he can fill arizas role pretty well, he should get about 30 minutes off the bench, pierce should start and not get more then 30 minutes a game though .

Is Otto Porter athletic enough to play the 2

fishercob · Post #1567 » by **fishercob** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:20 pm

I think it is a matter of "when" not "if" Otto makes people forget about Ariza. He's going to hit 3's at a high rate, but he's going to be much more of a threat when he gets run off the line -- his midrange game, playmaking, ballhandling, etc are going to cause defenses problems.

Defensively he's already creating havoc in passing lanes and blocking shots.

When, not if -- and he's 21.

Post #1568 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:23 pm

JudBuchler wrote:Is Otto Porter athletic enough to play the 2

Trying Porter at the 2 was literally the first thing they did when he was rookie in summer league last year. It wasn't a good fit for him. I think he's purely a 3 in the Tayshaun Prince mold, but a significantly better shooter. Once his on-ball defense matures, he'll be a pretty complete player IMO. Probably not prolific in any one area, but complete.

hands11 · Post #1569 » by **hands11** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:31 pm

fishercob wrote:I think it is a matter of "when" not "if" Otto makes people forget about Ariza. He's going to hit 3's at a high rate, but he's going to be much more of a threat when he gets run off the line -- his midrange game, playmaking, ballhandling, etc are going to cause defenses problems.

Defensively he's already creating havoc in passing lanes and blocking shots.

When, not if -- and he's 21.

Exactly.

So EG might have made the right decision to draft him over others we liked.

There were other decent choices for sure. But Otto does fit given Trevor A had a good chance of leaving and that was something we needed to plan for and balance the salary cap. It allowed him to not over pay Trevor A so we had a shot at KD.

I still like others from that draft like Trey, CJM, Dieng, Adams, and even Len, Plumlee or Zeller. But most were not projected that high and we did find a way to fill out the front court for now. Some liked Noel, but there is the injury issue ( knee growth plate issue ) And we know he would be out for a year. We didn't know Otto would miss most of last year. That was unexpected.

Getting Otto and then Paul Pierce vs Trevor A was a more then reasonable option. I don't recall people not liking Otto, just some wanted a young big or a combo guard that could get moved for value. Or a trade down for a Adams or Dieng. Well, we still need a solution for combo guard but SF seems to be covered having lost Trevor A. And that was important as well. And Otto has a great personality that fits with Wall and Beal. Thats also very important.

Dark Faze · Post #1570 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:59 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
JudBuchler wrote:Is Otto Porter athletic enough to play the 2

Trying Porter at the 2 was literally the first thing they did when he was rookie in summer league last year. It wasn't a good fit for him. I think he's purely a 3 in the Tayshaun Prince mold, but a significantly better shooter. Once his on-ball defense matures, he'll be a pretty complete player IMO. Probably not prolific in any one area, but complete.

I'm not sure that it was playing the two that had him looking so bad as much as it was just him being shook. He's a completely different player in terms of confidence now and I don't think the two would be an issue for him. It's not ideal long term, but for now I think he'd be fine. I think he'd smother two guards defensively.

Dat2U · Post #1571 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:08 pm

Prediction: Otto will have folks saying "Ariza who?" in a matter of weeks.

I'm just hoping we'll at least get to see Porter & Pierce on the floor together at times to give us better spacing with Beal out.

dckingsfan · Post #1572 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:17 pm

Dat2U wrote:Prediction: Otto will have folks saying "Ariza who?" in a matter of weeks.

I'm just hoping we'll at least get to see Porter & Pierce on the floor together at times to give us better spacing with Beal out.

Are you thinking as a 3/4 combo? Playing small ball? I like it but I just don't see that kind of flexibility coming from Wittman.

If you are thinking as a 2/3 combo, then I think you are nuts

Dat2U · Post #1573 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:52 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Prediction: Otto will have folks saying "Ariza who?" in a matter of weeks.

I'm just hoping we'll at least get to see Porter & Pierce on the floor together at times to give us better spacing with Beal out.

Are you thinking as a 3/4 combo? Playing small ball? I like it but I just don't see that kind of flexibility coming from Wittman.

If you are thinking as a 2/3 combo, then I think you are nuts

Yes, I'm hoping Witt recognizes that he will have little other choice due to the lack of shooting in our lineup.

And no, I don't see Porter at the 2 & Pierce at the 3 as a realistic option.

tontoz · Post #1574 » by **tontoz** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:58 pm

I think we should wait and watch Porter play in meaningful games before making any grand predictions. That isn't much different from the people who were dogging him last year. No need to be in such a rush to make judgements on a young guy.

Premature judgements are frequently waaaaay off. I remember a certain prominent poster who was very high on Singleton in his rookie year. He was predicting a long, Posey type career in the NBA.

There were a lot of people trashing Beal after his first couple of months. Shooting guard who can't shoot, Jarvis Hays 2.0, etc.

Janchise anyone?

Let the kid play. After a few months his true colors will start to show.

dckingsfan · Post #1575 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:12 pm

tontoz wrote:I think we should wait and watch Porter play in meaningful games before making any grand predictions. That isn't much different from the people who were dogging him last year. No need to be in such a rush to make judgements on a young guy.

Premature judgements are frequently waaaaay off. I remember a certain prominent poster who was very high on Singleton in his rookie year. He was predicting a long, Posey type career in the NBA.

There were a lot of people trashing Beal after his first couple of months. Shooting guard who can't shoot, Jarvis Hays 2.0, etc.

Janchise anyone?

Let the kid play. After a few months his true colors will start to show.

Adding to your list - Seraphin, McGee, NY, etc. - the list goes on and on.

Having said that - I think he has the chance to be solid. And he isn't a knucklehead so he has that going for him!

JWizmentality · Post #1576 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:29 pm

Some people here...won't call any names but you know who are are...wanted this kid traded for Ersan Ilyosaova.

SMH

Kanyewest · Post #1577 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:35 pm

fishercob wrote:I think it is a matter of "when" not "if" Otto makes people forget about Ariza. He's going to hit 3's at a high rate, but he's going to be much more of a threat when he gets run off the line -- his midrange game, playmaking, ballhandling, etc are going to cause defenses problems.

Defensively he's already creating havoc in passing lanes and blocking shots.

When, not if -- and he's 21.

I'm not sure he'll be the defensive player that Ariza is but offensively he has the tools to surpass what Ariza can do eventually. Porter certainly has the length but his lateral quickness isn't great- while Ariza did a good job in guarding guys from DJ Augustin, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George. I think the biggest thing is it will take a while for Porter to earn the respect from the officials, as they will likely call ticky tack fouls on him when he guards superstar players.

Post #1578 » by **nate33** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:51 pm

Very impressed with Porter this preseason. He may even make me regret saying that we should have drafted Noel over him. He has a smoothness of motion that reminds me a bit of Scottie Pippen.

I'm not going to get too excited just yet. We'll see how he looks once the scouting report comes out. I'm also concerned about that stick-figure lower body. I hope he can hold up to the grind.

Nivek · Post #1579 » by **Nivek** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:28 pm

nate33 wrote:Very impressed with Porter this preseason. He may even make me regret saying that we should have drafted Noel over him. He has a smoothness of motion that reminds me a bit of Scottie Pippen.

I'm not going to get too excited just yet. We'll see how he looks once the scouting report comes out. I'm also concerned about that stick-figure lower body. I hope he can hold up to the grind.

Serious question: What evidence is there to show that skinnier players are less durable? This one of those truisms that may or may not actually be true. I wish b-r was set up to search by height/weight.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1580 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:35 pm

Dark Faze wrote:More tools than Beal came into the league with imo. If he works on his handle and his long ball along with getting stronger then I think he has all-star potential. I think he's fully capable of creating his own shot.

I could see that. Otto has a big advantage over Beal in his terrific length. He can clean up all those garbage plays inside the paint to help pad his numbers and make an impact for the team without having plays run for him. Beal as a 6'5 true SG just can't do that. Otto should be a much bigger defensive presence than Beal was too. He's got all the tools to be a truly excellent defensive player and I honestly think his upside is elite on that side of the ball. And he's not going to have to be as much of a go to scorer as Beal, so there's another reason we should expect to get better defense from him than we did from Beal.

I think you're right, once he gets his man strength and gets totally comfortable shooting the NBA three, I could see Otto making an All Star game at some point in his career. The biggest thing holding him back from that happening isn't a lack of talent IMO, but the role he'll play on this team. He's probably going to be a sixth man and never really more than a third option while Pierce is here. And then the summer his deal is up, you might have Durant coming home. If that happens, when does Otto ever start? And he's not the type to complain about his role or force his way off the team. Otto getting a chance to ever make an AS game is probably contingent on Durant staying in OKC. Or else he'd have to get super jacked up and be able to play PF.