Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[nate33]

Three team trade :

Washington In: Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis
Los Angeles In: Martell Webster, Dejuan Blair, Washington 2016 1st
Sota In: Andre Miller, Kevin Seraphin

Why for WAS: Yall know why

Why for LAL: Tank and a 1st. What's not to like? Lakers aren't in a position where they need to be looking to extend a guy like Ed Davis long term. They're going to try to create a super team once Kobe is off the books and they are probably drafting a big. Randle occupies the same position as Davis.

Why for Sota: Lack of a creator is really hurting the development of the youth when Rubio is out. Miller gives them a guy who will allow LaVine to develop at the 2 where he belongs as he clearly isn't a 1. Seraphin is another young player for their rebuild and if he balls out then cool. If not whatever. Worse case scenario is they dump Martins salary many years early.

Only problem for us would be finding a way to sign Davis long term...but right now these assets are probably worth a 1st and would make us much much better this year and keeps the dream of Durant alive.

We're not going to trade for Martin. Not gonna happen.

[Dark Faze]

Olynyk would take a 1st + Porter + a decent roleplayer contract at this point. And the Suns aren't going to give up on that 8 seed until its mathematically over, so IT won't be an option until the summer most likely.

@Nate, Washington being on a downward slope heading into next summer is a far greater concern in regards to getting Durant than capspace. Yeah, you prefer to stay away from deals that go past 16, but it's really not that big of a deal if it helps your team in the short term. Kevin Martin may not be the right fit here but its not because of his contract. He's got only a year after 16. Teams won't hesitate to take him on if he's a productive roleplayer then and we add incentives.

[nate33]

Kevin Martin is not a difference maker. He's not going to vault us into contention. He's just a half decent wing who might keep us from sliding all the way to 5th place. I think our chances of adding Kevin Durant are much higher if we finish 5th and have $22M in free agency, than if we finish 3rd and have $15M in free agency.

People are panicking way too much. And they are mistakenly believing that Martin is some kind of savior.

[fishercob]

Three team trade :

Washington In: Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis
Los Angeles In: Martell Webster, Dejuan Blair, Washington 2016 1st
Sota In: Andre Miller, Kevin Seraphin

Why for WAS: Yall know why

Why for LAL: Tank and a 1st. What's not to like? Lakers aren't in a position where they need to be looking to extend a guy like Ed Davis long term. They're going to try to create a super team once Kobe is off the books and they are probably drafting a big. Randle occupies the same position as Davis.

Why for Sota: Lack of a creator is really hurting the development of the youth when Rubio is out. Miller gives them a guy who will allow LaVine to develop at the 2 where he belongs as he clearly isn't a 1. Seraphin is another young player for their rebuild and if he balls out then cool. If not whatever. Worse case scenario is they dump Martins salary many years early.

Only problem for us would be finding a way to sign Davis long term...but right now these assets are probably worth a 1st and would make us much much better this year and keeps the dream of Durant alive.

We're not going to trade for Martin. Not gonna happen.

What do you think the cost of unloading his final year would be? We coould give someone our '16 first to take him (assuming he had totally negative value by then). Or we could cut him and take a $2.5M cap sharge for the subsequent 3 seasons.

It's a concern, but I don't think that final year makes acquiring Martin a complete no starter today. My bigger concern is that neither he nor Beal are combo guards, not would Randy play a 3 guard lineup. Seems like a lot of resources under the circumstances.

[Dark Faze]

There's also the possibility that you just trade him before the deadline for an expiring *shrugs*

Guys worse than him have been traded before and with more years on their contract. I could see a playoff team trading a useless expiring player for an upgrade in Kevin Martin before next years deadline easily.

I mean yea, if you had to move a contract like Gortats then I'd be worried, but the cap flexibility stuff needs to calm down. Trying to walk into getting Durant with a bunch of contracts that conveniently end before his summer would take a better talent evaluator than we currently have along with a lot of luck in terms of who's on the market. These next two years really should be about fighting and clawing to get what we need when we need it. It's exactly what Cleveland did.

[nate33]

What do you think the cost of unloading his final year would be? We coould give someone our '16 first to take him (assuming he had totally negative value by then). Or we could cut him and take a $2.5M cap sharge for the subsequent 3 seasons.

It's a concern, but I don't think that final year makes acquiring Martin a complete no starter today. My bigger concern is that neither he nor Beal are combo guards, not would Randy play a 3 guard lineup. Seems like a lot of resources under the circumstances.

Exactly. It's a lot of resources for not much in return.

I think it'll cost a future 1st to unload Kevin Martin. But that 1st round pick is just another asset we could use for something else. Rather than trade it just to dump salary, we could be using it to find another player, or to trade it for a guy who could help in 2016.

I don't know how many ways I can say this. KEVIN MARTIN IS NOT WORTH IT. He's an appalling defender who ranks 83 amongst shooting guards in Defensive RPM. He's got a DRtg of 115 for God's sake. If he played enough minutes, that would rank him as literally the worst defensive player in the league!

[Ruzious]

Three team trade :

Washington In: Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Ed Davis
Los Angeles In: Martell Webster, Dejuan Blair, Washington 2016 1st
Sota In: Andre Miller, Kevin Seraphin

Why for WAS: Yall know why

Why for LAL: Tank and a 1st. What's not to like? Lakers aren't in a position where they need to be looking to extend a guy like Ed Davis long term. They're going to try to create a super team once Kobe is off the books and they are probably drafting a big. Randle occupies the same position as Davis.

Why for Sota: Lack of a creator is really hurting the development of the youth when Rubio is out. Miller gives them a guy who will allow LaVine to develop at the 2 where he belongs as he clearly isn't a 1. Seraphin is another young player for their rebuild and if he balls out then cool. If not whatever. Worse case scenario is they dump Martins salary many years early.

Only problem for us would be finding a way to sign Davis long term...but right now these assets are probably worth a 1st and would make us much much better this year and keeps the dream of Durant alive.

We're not going to trade for Martin. Not gonna happen.

What do you think the cost of unloading his final year would be? We coould give someone our '16 first to take him (assuming he had totally negative value by then). Or we could cut him and take a $2.5M cap sharge for the subsequent 3 seasons.

It's a concern, but I don't think that final year makes acquiring Martin a complete no starter today. My bigger concern is that neither he nor Beal are combo guards, not would Randy play a 3 guard lineup. Seems like a lot of resources under the circumstances.

Martin's played the 3 before, and I'm not sure there's a difference the positions he and Wiggins play, but rebounding could be an issue in a small ball lineup. Having Beal, Martin, and Pierce all on the floor together would make for good spacing.

[Ruzious]

What do you think the cost of unloading his final year would be? We coould give someone our '16 first to take him (assuming he had totally negative value by then). Or we could cut him and take a $2.5M cap sharge for the subsequent 3 seasons.

It's a concern, but I don't think that final year makes acquiring Martin a complete no starter today. My bigger concern is that neither he nor Beal are combo guards, not would Randy play a 3 guard lineup. Seems like a lot of resources under the circumstances.

Exactly. It's a lot of resources for not much in return.

I think it'll cost a future 1st to unload Kevin Martin. But that 1st round pick is just another asset we could use for something else. Rather than trade it just to dump salary, we could be using it to find another player, or to trade it for a guy who could help in 2016.

I don't know how many ways I can say this. KEVIN MARTIN IS NOT WORTH IT. He's an appalling defender who ranks 83 amongst shooting guards in Defensive RPM. He's got a DRtg of 115 for God's sake. If he played enough minutes, that would rank him as literally the worst defensive player in the league!

People aren't disagreeing for the most part. We're just discussing what would happen.

[nate33]

Interesting idea on the Gortat thread on the trade board:

WAS Trades: Gortat + 2016 1st
PHO Trades: Marcus Morris, Isaiah Thomas, Miles Plumlee

That dramatically lowers the age of our team, giving us a pretty deep lineup of players in their prime, plus Nene and Pierce as vet leaders. Thomas gives us the 3rd guard we so desperately need, and Morris is a stretch four:

PG Wall/Thomas
SG Beal/Thomas
SF Pierce/Porter
PF Morris/Humphries
C Nene/Plumlee

Financially, it has no impact on our Durant plan because Thomas and Morris together cost what Gortat would have cost. They're actually locked into cap friendly deals through 2018, which is going to look real nice when the cap goes up. (Plumlee is a FA in 2016.)
The only issue is that we lack a center in 2016. Our 2016 lineup will be:

PG Wall/Thomas
SG Beal/Thomas
SF Porter
PF Morris
C ???

We'll probably have about $4M or so to retain either Humphries or Plumlee (or someone else) while saving max room for Durant, but that's not going to be a huge attraction for Durant. If we could trade Porter for a guy like Nerlens Noel or Stephen Adams, then it would really look great. Also, we might be able to persuade Nene to stick around for another 2 years for the Room Exception.

[Dark Faze]

Morris twins don't want to play apart.

[tontoz]

Interesting idea on the Gortat thread on the trade board:

WAS Trades: Gortat + 2016 1st
PHO Trades: Marcus Morris, Isaiah Thomas, Miles Plumlee

That dramatically lowers the age of our team, giving us a pretty deep lineup of players in their prime, plus Nene and Pierce as vet leaders. Thomas gives us the 3rd guard we so desperately need, and Morris is a stretch four:

PG Wall/Thomas
SG Beal/Thomas
SF Pierce/Porter
PF Morris/Humphries
C Nene/Plumlee

Financially, it has no impact on our Durant plan because Thomas and Morris together cost what Gortat would have cost. They're actually locked into cap friendly deals through 2018, which is going to look real nice when the cap goes up. (Plumlee is a FA in 2016.)
The only issue is that we lack a center in 2016. Our 2016 lineup will be:

PG Wall/Thomas
SG Beal/Thomas
SF Porter
PF Morris
C ???

We'll probably have about $4M or so to retain either Humphries or Plumlee (or someone else) while saving max room for Durant, but that's not going to be a huge attraction for Durant. If we could trade Porter for a guy like Nerlens Noel or Stephen Adams, then it would really look great. Also, we might be able to persuade Nene to stick around for another 2 years for the Room Exception.

Phoenix traded Gortat away and didn't miss a beat. Doubt they want him back.

[jangles86]

A trade involving Andre Miller and Otto for Kevin Martin and Mo Williams wouldn't be too bad.

Even trading for Kevin Martin and then signing Nate Robinson would be a decent kick to this teams bench scoring.

What about Greg Steimsma as a rim protector off the bench

[wolves_89]

I think it'll cost a future 1st to unload Kevin Martin.

That is just plain wrong.

[hands11]

What about Arron Afflalo $7,562,500 $7,750,000

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... on-Afflalo

Solid player. Not sure I would give up our first for him, I want to keep that but there could be a deal to be had.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuu50Z_8Wr4[/youtube]

[hands11]

Kevin Martin is not a difference maker. He's not going to vault us into contention. He's just a half decent wing who might keep us from sliding all the way to 5th place. I think our chances of adding Kevin Durant are much higher if we finish 5th and have $22M in free agency, than if we finish 3rd and have $15M in free agency.

People are panicking way too much. And they are mistakenly believing that Martin is some kind of savior.

Here.. On this board

Say it isn't so Nate.

[WallToWall]

I would agree that we shouldnt make any rash decisions. But we do have some major weaknesses: the bench cant score, and our starting bigs cant rebound well enough on a consistent basis. Correcting these two issues will get us into the #3 - #5 spot in the race for the playoff spot.

Kevin Martin is not worth THAT much. I may give a second round pick for him. He will be on the bench....yeah, he can score, but he will also LET the other team score. I would rather go the Ray Allen route if he is available and wanting to join our team, as we will not give up anything to get him, and he will not cost us a chance at Durant.

As for a big...I'd make a push for Garnet...maybe give up a couple of 2nd rnd picks. We need the toughness...as Beal said, we are soft.
Or maybe Amare if he is bought out of his contract.

[jivelikenice]

Makignga trade isn't a rash decision. The offense has been an issue for years. This team isn't getting younger. The great start had as much to do with schedule and fresher old players at the start of the season. Those things aren't changing and sitting by idly as we get even OLDER isn't going to do a thing.

[Tricky_Kid]

George Karl for Randy Wittman where do I need to sign?

[JWizmentality]

I've wanted George for quite a while now. While last year's run was fun, I knew it would result in locking up a mediocre coach longterm.

[gambitx777]

Kevin Martin is not a difference maker. He's not going to vault us into contention. He's just a half decent wing who might keep us from sliding all the way to 5th place. I think our chances of adding Kevin Durant are much higher if we finish 5th and have $22M in free agency, than if we finish 3rd and have $15M in free agency.

People are panicking way too much. And they are mistakenly believing that Martin is some kind of savior.

Well what about this,
Wiz: Martin,
Sixers: Webster, Thomas, Cash
MINI: Kirilenko, Wiz second round pick.

That way we are roughly in the same cap situation in 2016 that we are looking at now, martin is only getting paid about a mill more than Webby and he's much much better at this point. This saves Mini a massive amount of money and gives them a pick. The sixers get a vet to help those young kids learn how to be professionals on a short term deal and Thomas could be ready to come over in a few years.
But I agree, Martin is not worth it unless we get something out of the deal, I think ditching webby at least makes it something to consider!
But I was thinking about a deal with orlando,
Kevin (toss in gooden or cut him) and maybe a second or Thomas
for
Ben Gordon, Kyle O'Quin, and Andrew Nicholson.

This fills a lot more holes on our team and does not kill our cap space long term.