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Otto Porter Part 2

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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#1561 » by Error Afflalo » Tue Jul 4, 2017 8:44 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Kings are out of the Porter race.

The Nets are the only team that stands in the way of us getting a deep discount on Porter now..


Let's hope so. It's worth mentioning that another Falk client, Greg Monroe, played on the QO in 2014-15 when he didn't find an offer to his liking, so there is that. However, that was before the cap spike. It's hard to imagine Otto leaving $20M+ on the table to become an unrestricted FA next year, especially with the cap leveling off and less teams having space. There's no guarantee a full max will be out there for him.
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#1562 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jul 4, 2017 8:47 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Chandler, Barton, Lyles, Mudiay deal lol.

Hard to make the money work. Given that we wouldn't want Faried or Arthur and Porter is near to $25M. You would basically have to gut the team, no?
Maybe ship Faried to a Third team, Chandler, Barton, Lyles to Washington. Porter to Denver, Faried to a third team.

It might be the deal that would put a nail in EGs coffin :)
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#1563 » by BigA » Tue Jul 4, 2017 9:55 pm

We know the Sixers aren't interested in Otto?
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#1564 » by tyguy » Tue Jul 4, 2017 11:24 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Kings are out of the Porter race.

The Nets are the only team that stands in the way of us getting a deep discount on Porter now..
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Porters first year salary is a hair under 25. So the Kings will barely have enough room for Porter.
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Post#1565 » by mhd » Tue Jul 4, 2017 11:34 pm

tyguy wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Kings are out of the Porter race.

The Nets are the only team that stands in the way of us getting a deep discount on Porter now..
I believe this is false:


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Porters first year salary is a hair under 25. So the Kings will barely have enough room for Porter.


Nope, that doesn't include the signing of Bogdanovich (their international signing).
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Post#1566 » by tyguy » Tue Jul 4, 2017 11:36 pm

mhd wrote:
tyguy wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Kings are out of the Porter race.

The Nets are the only team that stands in the way of us getting a deep discount on Porter now..
I believe this is false:


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Porters first year salary is a hair under 25. So the Kings will barely have enough room for Porter.


Nope, that doesn't include the signing of Bogdanovich (their international signing).
They can wait until after everybody is signed before signing Bogdanovich. His cap hold is only like 2 million dollars.
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Post#1567 » by tyguy » Tue Jul 4, 2017 11:38 pm

"It would only make sense that the Kings would agree in principle with Bogdan then finalize the contract once our free agent spending spree is over. In fact it would be negligent not to otherwise. This is simply because we can exceed the 99M cap to sign our rights to a rookie player but we cannot exceed 99M to sign a free agent from another team.

Even if you were "a cap nerd" you would not necessarily know the details because we don't know how the deals of Z-Bo and Hill are structured. Before free agency and before counting Bogdan against the cap I think we had 58M to spend. The first year of max deal to Otto I believe is 24.7M. That would mean we would have (58 -24.7) 33.3M to spend on first year salary of Z-Bo and Hill, add Otto, then go over the cap to sign Bogdan. (There is a 20M cushion between cap and luxury tax of 119M. With 9M first year or so to Bogdan, not a problem).

So 2 /24 (Z-Bo) and 3/57 (Hill). Let's assume the money is dispersed evenly annually and that is 12M and 19M in the first year respectively. 31M total (12 + 19) relative to the 33.3M we have and we still have enough to fit Otto."

"If a first round pick signs with a non-NBA team, his scale amount is excluded from the team salary on the date he signs his non-NBA contract or the first day of the regular season, whichever is later. The scale amount goes back onto the team salary on the following July 1 or when his non-NBA contract ends, whichever is earlier. In other words, these cap holds are removed for players playing outside the NBA, but only during the regular season.

I think the hold for 27th pick is 1M dollars or slightly more. I calculated over 2M to spare above so I think we're good."

http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/free-agency-open-thread-nba-and-kings.67710/page-32
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#1569 » by keynote » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:26 am

Given that we know that at least one team was willing to offer Porter the max, and assuming that the Wizards are indeed committed to matching a max offer: what is the risk of letting Porter meet with Utah and/or Brooklyn? Specifically: how poisonous can a rival team make a standard 4-year max contract? What specific barbs can they include?
- PO after the third year
- trade kicker?
- no-trade clause!?

If the last of the three is at all in play (depending on how desperate UTA or BKN are), it would behoove EG to move in now.
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Post#1571 » by Dark Faze » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:41 am

How much cap space they do have?
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Post#1572 » by keynote » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:43 am

Utah scares me more than Brooklyn, admittedly. Brooklyn might take a flyer and offer Porter a contract, but they're too early in their rebuild to take chances with risky terms like no-trade clauses and player-friendly opt-outs. Utah, OTOH, is desperate: they've had a taste of the playoffs, and they traded for Rubio. They know they're not quite ready to dethrone GS, but they still want to win (and perhaps secure a top-4 seed) now. And, they know that Salt Lake ain't Brooklyn in terms of FA attractiveness. They might fool around and offer Porter terms that won't go down so smoothly for us when we match. :-?
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Post#1573 » by Matt007b » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:17 am

Sorry I come in peace but is Otto Porter worth a heavy contract? I haven't watched him play. Jazz lost Hayward and now have $$...
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Post#1574 » by gesa2 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:31 am

Can't do a no trade clause unless you have 8 years in the league, and 4 with the team you are signing with I think. So the poison with Otto would be in options and trade kickers
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Post#1576 » by keynote » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:40 am

gesa2 wrote:Can't do a no trade clause unless you have 8 years in the league, and 4 with the team you are signing with I think. So the poison with Otto would be in options and trade kickers


Ah, good to know. In that case, I think UTA is less likely to include POs than BK -- especially since they just lost a guy who opted out. As for the Wizards: a three-year opt out wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Given that, I imagine Ted/EG are probably still willing to let things play out, just in the off chance that both UTA and BK make other plans.

EDIT: oh. I see Porter took the max with Brooklyn. Fair enough. Go ahead and match, Ted!
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Post#1578 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:51 am

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