2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

nuposse04 · Post #1561 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:03 pm

3 mil a year is nice. Hopefully he can play at the 2 while Burke mans the 1. I'd focus on getting a good wing defender at the 3 next since I know Burke is bad on defense and Tomas is a wildcard. Unless Oubre actually makes a significant leap.

gambitx777 · Post #1562 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:06 pm

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gtn130 · Post #1563 » by **gtn130** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:12 pm

Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

AFM · Post #1564 » by **AFM** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:14 pm

gtn130 wrote:Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

I obviously haven't watched this kid play, but he's 6'7, surely he could play some 2 with Wall?

AFM · Post #1565 » by **AFM** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:15 pm

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gtn130 · Post #1566 » by **gtn130** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:18 pm

AFM wrote:
gtn130 wrote:Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

I obviously haven't watched this kid play, but he's 6'7, surely he could play some 2 with Wall?

Have barely seen him play but had the idea that he wasn't a good enough shooter to play off ball. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Wizman84 · Post #1567 » by **Wizman84** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:24 pm

The 2nd unit looks much improved offensively with Sato and Burke and a more experienced Oubre. It would be nice to add a legit 3pt specialist regardless of position.

80sballboy · Post #1568 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:25 pm

gtn130 wrote:
AFM wrote:
gtn130 wrote:Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

I obviously haven't watched this kid play, but he's 6'7, surely he could play some 2 with Wall?

Have barely seen him play but had the idea that he wasn't a good enough shooter to play off ball. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Shot over 38% from 3-point range last season. He's a combo guard.

Earth2Ted · Post #1569 » by **Earth2Ted** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:28 pm

Wow sato' coming for real? Forget all that dark day stuff I said like 10 minutes ago... This kid can play. Look at Ernie doing just enough to save his butt. Again.

80sballboy · Post #1570 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:29 pm

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nuposse04 · Post #1571 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:30 pm

Wizman84 wrote:The 2nd unit looks much improved offensively with Sato and Burke and a more experienced Oubre. It would be nice to add a legit 3pt specialist regardless of position.

I wouldn't put much stock in burke, he is a bit of a chucker and travesty of a defender. Tomas/Oubre year 2/Vet/Nicholson/Ian should be an upgrade over last season though. A lot depends on if Oubre can stop fouling so damn much, lol. I figure they'll settle for Alan Anderson but Harkless would be an interesting route to take... I do think that McClellen kid could be getting minutes by years end. He seems relatively polished.

80sballboy · Post #1572 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:31 pm

Sounds like Gortat has been recruiting Sato for over a year. No wonder they won't trade Gorat right away.

nuposse04 · Post #1573 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:33 pm

Earth2Ted wrote:Wow sato' coming for real? Forget all that dark day stuff I said like 10 minutes ago... This kid can play. Look at Ernie doing just enough to save his butt. Again.

Even if Beal/Porter/Oubre improve considerably I doubt this team's ceiling is anything but 2nd round exit. If Ted had any sense he'd fire him tomorrow... Hopefully not making it to the 2nd round or hell even the playoffs would be enough to do it. But you would have thought EG had done enough to dig his own grave in the past...

gambitx777 · Post #1574 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:37 pm

gtn130 wrote:Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

I've pobably my watched more of Sato that any one here and he is a combo guard with sick point guard skills but his bread and butter, is at the 2! He has a high level of passing skills, he plays excellent defence, and he has a dagger of a 3 ball. He plays mostly 2, but he is also shines in sets where the 2 handles the ball. He is not a PG, yes he can play point but is an more of a ball handling 2 . He is basically a Manu clone. He is going to get a few minutes at pg and maybe SF but mostly at 2 backing up beal and covering for injury

Illmatic12 · Post #1575 » by **Illmatic12** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:40 pm

gtn130 wrote:Not hating on the moves because I think they aren't too bad (Beal max notwithstanding), but we've now got two backup point guards who can't really play together or next to Wall and two centers who can't play together and on big contracts. Something has to give.

If we're lucky, Burke won't really play.

I would re-sign AA as Beal's backup, and give Sato the primary backup PG

Wizman84 · Post #1576 » by **Wizman84** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:50 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
Wizman84 wrote:The 2nd unit looks much improved offensively with Sato and Burke and a more experienced Oubre. It would be nice to add a legit 3pt specialist regardless of position.

I wouldn't put much stock in burke, he is a bit of a chucker and travesty of a defender. Tomas/Oubre year 2/Vet/Nicholson/Ian should be an upgrade over last season though. A lot depends on if Oubre can stop fouling so damn much, lol. I figure they'll settle for Alan Anderson but Harkless would be an interesting route to take... I do think that McClellen kid could be getting minutes by years end. He seems relatively polished.

Burke still has potential imo. He's also in a contract year.He's proven in Utah he's capable of putting up points. I think he can be an upgrade over Sessions.

nuposse04 · Post #1577 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:55 pm

Wizman84 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
Wizman84 wrote:The 2nd unit looks much improved offensively with Sato and Burke and a more experienced Oubre. It would be nice to add a legit 3pt specialist regardless of position.

I wouldn't put much stock in burke, he is a bit of a chucker and travesty of a defender. Tomas/Oubre year 2/Vet/Nicholson/Ian should be an upgrade over last season though. A lot depends on if Oubre can stop fouling so damn much, lol. I figure they'll settle for Alan Anderson but Harkless would be an interesting route to take... I do think that McClellen kid could be getting minutes by years end. He seems relatively polished.

Burke still has potential imo. He's also in a contract year.He's proven in Utah he's capable of putting up points. I think he can be an upgrade over Sessions.

True, he can improve... how much would be the question. Sessions wasn't bad at all last season. Save for spacing the floor with the 3 ball and his defense Sessions was great last season. I thought Burke could be a decent offensive player coming out of college but the fact he got supplanted in Utah, a team devoid of PGs is kind of foreboding...

80sballboy · Post #1578 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 9:58 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
Wizman84 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
I wouldn't put much stock in burke, he is a bit of a chucker and travesty of a defender. Tomas/Oubre year 2/Vet/Nicholson/Ian should be an upgrade over last season though. A lot depends on if Oubre can stop fouling so damn much, lol. I figure they'll settle for Alan Anderson but Harkless would be an interesting route to take... I do think that McClellen kid could be getting minutes by years end. He seems relatively polished.

Burke still has potential imo. He's also in a contract year.He's proven in Utah he's capable of putting up points. I think he can be an upgrade over Sessions.

True, he can improve... how much would be the question. Sessions wasn't bad at all last season. Save for spacing the floor with the 3 ball and his defense Sessions was great last season. I thought Burke could be a decent offensive player coming out of college but the fact he got supplanted in Utah, a team devoid of PGs is kind of foreboding...

Sessions is a shoot-first point guard and sure, if you take away his poor three-point shooting, lack of passing and defense, he was great last season. :roll:

Burke is pretty similar, maybe a better passer and similar defensively. But he is younger and with Sato, he might fit decently, though they could still use another 2 guard or combo who can defend to play with Sato.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #1579 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 10:01 pm

Geebuz, what happened? Traveling in Europe, went to bed last night with visions of Al Horford in Chinatown dancing in my head. Instead, wtf?

Wall, Burke
Beal, Sato
Porter, Oubre
'Splief, Nicolson
Marc, Yawn

Looks very much like a 28 win team to me.

That team is not sniffing .500

It's mostly cast offs plus Wall

How, again, does Grunfield have a job.

nuposse04 · Post #1580 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Jul 3, 2016 10:10 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
Wizman84 wrote:Burke still has potential imo. He's also in a contract year.He's proven in Utah he's capable of putting up points. I think he can be an upgrade over Sessions.

True, he can improve... how much would be the question. Sessions wasn't bad at all last season. Save for spacing the floor with the 3 ball and his defense Sessions was great last season. I thought Burke could be a decent offensive player coming out of college but the fact he got supplanted in Utah, a team devoid of PGs is kind of foreboding...

Sessions is a shoot-first point guard and sure, if you take away his poor three-point shooting, lack of passing and defense, he was great last season. Burke is pretty similar, maybe a better passer and similar defensively. But he is younger and with Sato, he might fit decently, though they could still use another 2 guard or combo who can defend to play with Sato.

Sessions assist: TO ratio was decent... i don't really fault him as a playmaker off the bench. He did his job there. And the fact he didn't take much 3 pt shots was ameliorated with how many FTs he drew. Where he really regressed was defense I believe. Burke has a lot of incentive to improve. His biggest areas to improve are shot selection I think. Sessions was a good mid range shooter, Burke is not. So either Burke fixes his shot selection or shot itself.