Political Roundtable Part X

[JWizmentality]

Now after the dust has settled a bit, I think this hurts Trump, but it's not a catastrophe. It would have been a lot worse if this took place on, say, October 30th. I think with 30 days yet to go, people's emotional reactions to this will subside and it will go back to mostly being about issues. Most Trump supporters are Trump supporters not because they like his personal life, but because they like his positions on trade and immigration. They recognize that Trump is an assh0le but they actually want an assh0le in office to go up against the assh0les in Congress, media and the special interest lobbies.

For me the bottom line is that Clinton victory means amnesty for the 13-30 million illegal aliens from 3rd world countries currently residing here. Amnesty means that the same demographic shift that took place in California will also take place in Texas, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina; which means that no Conservative or Libertarian will ever be elected President ever again. It's that simple.

So for all the Conservatives and Libertarians out there, you may not like Trump; you may think he's thoroughly unsuited to be President; you make think he's a total douche; but if you ever want a Libertarian or a Conservative to be President ever again, you must vote Trump. Deep down, you know I'm right.

You can continue to virtue signal that you're a decent person who will instead vote for a decent guy like Gary Johnson, that's cool. I get it. Trump makes it very difficult to admit you're voting for him. Nobody wants to lose friends arguing over political stuff. But on Election Day, when nobody else is looking, you know you have no other choice. It's Trump or permanent political exile.

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party. I certainly don't like the idea of voting for Hillary but look forward to pushing our party more progressive down the road. Bernie's revolution won't be a flash in the pan.

It's truly sad to see you pawn your moral compass for the sake of political ideology.

[JWizmentality]

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Donald Trump "Vagina is expensive"

He may find out first hand.

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

Doh! Done... stick the proverbial fork in it.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

[dckingsfan]

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party.

Not sure I understand - more than half of the country doesn't want either a R or a D.

About 1/3 of the country is D, 1/3 is R and the other 1/3 (actually more than a 1/3rd are independent).

I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want a D - especially a hard leaning D. I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want an R.

[AFM]

RIP Donny T. You fell on your sword like a true hero. You should be getting your check from the Clinton Foundation any day now.

[bsilver]

Now after the dust has settled a bit, I think this hurts Trump, but it's not a catastrophe. It would have been a lot worse if this took place on, say, October 30th. I think with 30 days yet to go, people's emotional reactions to this will subside and it will go back to mostly being about issues. Most Trump supporters are Trump supporters not because they like his personal life, but because they like his positions on trade and immigration. They recognize that Trump is an assh0le but they actually want an assh0le in office to go up against the assh0les in Congress, media and the special interest lobbies.

For me the bottom line is that Clinton victory means amnesty for the 13-30 million illegal aliens from 3rd world countries currently residing here. Amnesty means that the same demographic shift that took place in California will also take place in Texas, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina; which means that no Conservative or Libertarian will ever be elected President ever again. It's that simple.

So for all the Conservatives and Libertarians out there, you may not like Trump; you may think he's thoroughly unsuited to be President; you make think he's a total douche; but if you ever want a Libertarian or a Conservative to be President ever again, you must vote Trump. Deep down, you know I'm right.

You can continue to virtue signal that you're a decent person who will instead vote for a decent guy like Gary Johnson, that's cool. I get it. Trump makes it very difficult to admit you're voting for him. Nobody wants to lose friends arguing over political stuff. But on Election Day, when nobody else is looking, you know you have no other choice. It's Trump or permanent political exile.

Trump's hardcore supporters do not think he's an ****. Just the opposite. His support among white males far exceeds McCain and Romney. He's the hero of the disaffected non-college educated white male.
His mainstream Republican, and evangelical supporters probably do think he's an ****, but don't care.
The subset of mainstream Republicans where he's losing support is college educated women. I've talked to quite a few, and there's a visceral reaction when discussing Trump. They truly hate the man. I have a feeling that you have to be a woman to understand their feelings.
If elected, Hillary Clinton can't change US demographics. With Republicans controlling the House, and maybe the Senate, there is absolutely no chance of immigration reform. There will be no amnesty. There will be no path to citizenship. We'll be in our usual state of deadlock.
While Clinton can't change the demographics of the US, that war is already lost for the Republicans even if all illegal immigrants were tossed out tomorrow.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/03/what-america-will-look-like-in-2050-less-christian-less-white-more-gray/
That doesn't mean Republicans can't win future presidencies, but it won't be done by gaining the enmity of 70%+ of Hispanics.

[DCZards]

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Well, at least we know Melania didn’t plagiarize Michelle Obama this time. Michelle’s husband is far too dignified to say and do the despicable things that Trump has.

[JWizmentality]

Where nate's at.

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[DCZards]

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party.

Not sure I understand - more than half of the country doesn't want either a R or a D.

About 1/3 of the country is D, 1/3 is R and the other 1/3 (actually more than a 1/3rd are independent).

I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want a D - especially a hard leaning D. I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want an R.

Because someone is a registered "independent" doesn't mean they don't want a R or D to be president. I've got co-workers who are "independents" who are more supportive of Hillary Clinton than I am as registered Democrat.

BTW, latest polls show that HRC is up by 14% with independents. A short time ago she was down by 7% to Trump with independents.

[nate33]

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party. I certainly don't like the idea of voting for Hillary but look forward to pushing our party more progressive down the road. Bernie's revolution won't be a flash in the pan.

You may be right, but I don't think so. Progressives are only about 45% of the electorate. If Trump could get the TruCon vote and the Libertarian vote, he'd by up by 10.

It's truly sad to see you pawn your moral compass for the sake of political ideology.

Spare me.

It was people from the left who were so easily able to compartmentalize Bill Clinton's personal degeneracy from the political. Following the Lewinsky scandal, Time magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh said she'd give Clinton a BJ herself if he kept abortion legal. Bill Clinton probably raped Juanita Broderick and he paid Paula Jones $850,000 in hush money, yet he's still a rock star on the political circuit. The left re-elected Ted Kennedy for 40 years even though he allowed a woman to die at Chappaquiddick in order to avoid political scandal.

Trump has done nothing nearly as bad yet everyone is acting like he is the Devil incarnate. Trump is boorish, braggadocios narcissist. I've got no problems admitting that. I wish he had much better character. But I'm not voting for Sunday school teacher. I'm voting for President, and policies matter.

[dckingsfan]

"...and evangelical supporters probably do think he's an ****, but don't care..."

Wrong - the evangelical's do care, they are largely disgusted by Trump. But they just can't vote Hillary - should took a hard left on abortion. They aren't voting for him - they are voting against her.

[dckingsfan]

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party.

Not sure I understand - more than half of the country doesn't want either a R or a D.

About 1/3 of the country is D, 1/3 is R and the other 1/3 (actually more than a 1/3rd are independent).

I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want a D - especially a hard leaning D. I think 2/3s of the country doesn't want an R.

Because someone is a registered "independent" doesn't mean they don't want a R or D to be president. I've got co-workers who are "independents" who are more supportive of Hillary Clinton than I am as registered Democrat.

BTW, latest polls show that HRC is up by 14% with independents. A short time ago she was down by 7% to Trump with independents.

That's anecdotal. I have a friend of a friend that is independent that doesn't like either. You went back to Trump and Hillary - not R and D.

What I said stands. The country is largely disaffected with both parties. And this election is going to drive it further.

[JWizmentality]

More than half the country wouldn't mind not seeing another Republican in elected office, at least not the current Republican party. I certainly don't like the idea of voting for Hillary but look forward to pushing our party more progressive down the road. Bernie's revolution won't be a flash in the pan.

You may be right, but I don't think so. Progressives are only about 45% of the electorate. If Trump could get the TruCon vote and the Libertarian vote, he'd by up by 10.

It's truly sad to see you pawn your moral compass for the sake of political ideology.

Spare me.

It was people from the left who were so easily able to compartmentalize Bill Clinton's personal degeneracy from the political. Following the Lewinsky scandal, Time magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh said she'd give Clinton a BJ herself if he kept abortion legal. Bill Clinton probably raped Juanita Broderick and he paid Paula Jones $850,000 in hush money, yet he's still a rock star on the political circuit. The left re-elected Ted Kennedy for 40 years even though he allowed a woman to die at Chappaquiddick in order to avoid political scandal.

Trump has done nothing nearly as bad yet everyone is acting like he is the Devil incarnate. Trump is boorish, braggadocios narcissist. I've got no problems admitting that. I wish he had much better character. But I'm not voting for Sunday school teacher. I'm voting for President, and policies matter.

...and we're back to Bill Clinton. Trump has probably sexually assaulted numerous women by his own account so I'm not going to play "Which is worse" with you. You're not voting for president, you're voting for a political ideology and you could care less what vessel carries that ideology even it goes against everything you claim to stand for. So attaching your "policies matter" badge to candidate who is incapable of finishing a compete thought much less implementing any meaningful policy is laughable.

[JWizmentality]

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Please sir, give me more.

In the words of Bill Maher, I want to see the Republicans who chained themselves to this dead hooker drag it across the finish line. No do overs.

[AFM]

Who's actually surprised tho

What did you think he thought about women

[montestewart]

Meanwhile, a defiant Trump and his inner circle are strategizing how to counter punch

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[AFM]

Trump needs to text Putin and tell him to release the lesbian sex tape they hacked from Hillary's server

[montestewart]

Trump needs to text Putin and tell him to release the lesbian sex tape they hacked from Hillary's server

Publicly, everyone would express revulsion, but privately, some Trump voters would swing her way because of that tape.

[bsilver]

"...and evangelical supporters probably do think he's an ****, but don't care..."

Wrong - the evangelical's do care, they are largely disgusted by Trump. But they just can't vote Hillary - should took a hard left on abortion. They aren't voting for him - they are voting against her.

There was no hard left turn on abortion. The Democrats' position has been consistent for more than 30 years. If evangelicals are voting based on abortion, and many seem to be, then they would vote against any D running for president.