Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Dat2U]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

[dckingsfan]

First, replace EG with Dat and then:

Blow up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

[Eli Babak]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

1. As long as Ernie's here Wall's going nowhere, but of course I'd make this trade if possible.

2. Chicago doesn't want to tank this year and this roster isn't the worst:

Dunn/Harrison/Arcidiacono/Payne
LaVine/Holiday/Blakeney
Porter/Valentine/Hutchison
Markkanen/Portis
Carter/Lopez/Felicio

For Wiz I'd say yes too.

3. Dallas owe their 2019 1st to Hawks (Doncic trade) and it's top-5 protected so this one doesn't work.

[nate33]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

I'd love to see that plan enacted, but I think it's a bit too rosy.

1. Wall to LA seems plausible, but we wouldn't get Kuzma and I think we'd only get one of Lonzo Ball or their unprotected 1st. I'd still do it straight up for Lonzo and KCP. If we did get the first, It would be lotto protected (and protection probably wouldn't matter because Lebron will get them into the playoffs anyway).

2. I just don't see the motivation for Chicago. The place where Porter would make a ton of sense is New Orleans. Could we trade him for Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson and two future 1st round picks, preferably one of them unprotected in 2021? If Davis departs, we could end up with a high lotto pick.

3. Dallas, with Beal, has a floor as 9th worst team. They're sure to beat out PHX, MIN, CLE, ATL, NYK, CHI, WAS and BRK, and probably also ORL and SAC. Do we want to trade Beal away for the 10th pick in this draft? I'd rather just keep him through the rebuild.

[Ruzious]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

I'd love to see that plan enacted, but I think it's a bit too rosy.

1. Wall to LA seems plausible, but we wouldn't get Kuzma and I think we'd only get one of Lonzo Ball or their unprotected 1st. I'd still do it straight up for Lonzo and KCP. If we did get the first, It would be lotto protected (and protection probably wouldn't matter because Lebron will get them into the playoffs anyway).

2. I just don't see the motivation for Chicago. The place where Porter would make a ton of sense is New Orleans. Could we trade him for Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson and two future 1st round picks, preferably one of them unprotected in 2021? If Davis departs, we could end up with a high lotto pick.

3. Dallas, with Beal, has a floor as 9th worst team. They're sure to beat out PHX, MIN, CLE, ATL, NYK, CHI, WAS and BRK, and probably also ORL and SAC. Do we want to trade Beal away for the 10th pick in this draft? I'd rather just keep him through the rebuild.

I agree with nate's take except... I don't think LA is even plausible - just can't see Lebron wanting to play with Wall. We've all had that discussion - I know folks don't agree with me, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Early last season (when I suggested it) was the time to trade Wall for Ball and many other nice assets.

[verbal8]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

I'd love to see that plan enacted, but I think it's a bit too rosy.

1. Wall to LA seems plausible, but we wouldn't get Kuzma and I think we'd only get one of Lonzo Ball or their unprotected 1st. I'd still do it straight up for Lonzo and KCP. If we did get the first, It would be lotto protected (and protection probably wouldn't matter because Lebron will get them into the playoffs anyway).

2. I just don't see the motivation for Chicago. The place where Porter would make a ton of sense is New Orleans. Could we trade him for Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson and two future 1st round picks, preferably one of them unprotected in 2021? If Davis departs, we could end up with a high lotto pick.

3. Dallas, with Beal, has a floor as 9th worst team. They're sure to beat out PHX, MIN, CLE, ATL, NYK, CHI, WAS and BRK, and probably also ORL and SAC. Do we want to trade Beal away for the 10th pick in this draft? I'd rather just keep him through the rebuild.

I agree with nate's take except... I don't think LA is even plausible - just can't see Lebron wanting to play with Wall. We've all had that discussion - I know folks don't agree with me, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Early last season (when I suggested it) was the time to trade Wall for Ball and many other nice assets.

I think the concept of deal Wall/Beal for some nice assets is a good one.

I think a new core on Rookie contracts could be built with Porter as a piece. He is still is relatively young and his game figures to age well. Beal is basically the same age, but I have injury concerns as he ages.

[Dat2U]

Blowing up the Wizards in 3 easy steps:

1. Trade John Wall & Jason Smith to the Lakers for their unprotected 2019 1st, KCP, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma

2. Trade Otto Porter Jr to Chicago for Jabari Parker and Chicago's top 5 protected 2019 draft pick.

3. Trade Bradley Beal to Dallas for their unprotected 2019 draft pick, Wesley Matthews & Dwight Powell

G Ball / Satoransky
G Rivers / KCP / T. Brown Jr
F J. Parker / Oubre Jr / Matthews
F Kuzma / Je. Green
C M. Morris / D. Powell / Mahinmi / T. Bryant

Assets moving forward:

2019 1st round pick - Washington
2019 1st round pick - Dallas
2019 1st round pick - Chicago (top 5 protected)
2019 1st round pick - LA Lakers
PF Kyle Kuzma
PG Lonzo Ball
SF Troy Brown Jr
C Dwight Powell
SF Kelly Oubre Jr (RFA)
PG Tomas Satoransky (RFA)

#NottryinforZion

I'd love to see that plan enacted, but I think it's a bit too rosy.

1. Wall to LA seems plausible, but we wouldn't get Kuzma and I think we'd only get one of Lonzo Ball or their unprotected 1st. I'd still do it straight up for Lonzo and KCP. If we did get the first, It would be lotto protected (and protection probably wouldn't matter because Lebron will get them into the playoffs anyway).

2. I just don't see the motivation for Chicago. The place where Porter would make a ton of sense is New Orleans. Could we trade him for Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson and two future 1st round picks, preferably one of them unprotected in 2021? If Davis departs, we could end up with a high lotto pick.

3. Dallas, with Beal, has a floor as 9th worst team. They're sure to beat out PHX, MIN, CLE, ATL, NYK, CHI, WAS and BRK, and probably also ORL and SAC. Do we want to trade Beal away for the 10th pick in this draft? I'd rather just keep him through the rebuild.

I agree with nate's take except... I don't think LA is even plausible - just can't see Lebron wanting to play with Wall. We've all had that discussion - I know folks don't agree with me, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Early last season (when I suggested it) was the time to trade Wall for Ball and many other nice assets.

Wall and LeBron have the same agent. I wouldn't brush that connection off. And if theres any team Wall would waive his trade kicker for it's likely LA. Also quiet as kept... I think they've soured on Lonzo for whatever reason. My question is would they be willing give us Kuz and/or Hart or would they just try to stick us with Ingram who's been a disappointment.

I forgot Dallas had traded their pick for Doncic.

Chicago seems like the badly want to compete and Jabari has been disastrous and is signed for next season so that could be motivation.

[nate33]

I brought up New Orleans in context of a Porter trade, but would they consider trading for Wall? The idea here is that New Orleans would go all-in to compete for a title and make their best pitch to retain Anthony Davis. PG is their biggest hole.

Washington trades: John Wall
New Orleans trades: Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson, 2019 1st, 2021 1st (unprotected)

We get garbage in return as far as on-the-court players, which is good because we'd try and tank. New Orleans' 2019 1st won't be very high, but the prize here is their 2021 1st. If Davis departs in free agency in 2020, that could be a high pick. If possible, we could also slip in a Jason Smith (plus cash to pay him) for Chuck Diallo swap into the transaction. That could save us some luxtax money as well.

New Orleans gets John Wall and makes a title run. They also unload Solomon Hill's 2019-20 salary, making it possible (albeit still very tight) to pay Wall and have enough luxtax room to resign Mirotic.

[Dark Faze]

I brought up New Orleans in context of a Porter trade, but would they consider trading for Wall? The idea here is that New Orleans would go all-in to compete for a title and make their best pitch to retain Anthony Davis. PG is their biggest hole.

Washington trades: John Wall
New Orleans trades: Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson, 2019 1st, 2021 1st (unprotected)

We get garbage in return as far as on-the-court players, which is good because we'd try and tank. New Orleans' 2019 1st won't be very high, but the prize here is their 2021 1st. If Davis departs in free agency in 2020, that could be a high pick. If possible, we could also slip in a Jason Smith (plus cash to pay him) for Chuck Diallo swap into the transaction. That could save us some luxtax money as well.

New Orleans gets John Wall and makes a title run. They also unload Solomon Hill's 2019-20 salary, making it possible (albeit still very tight) to pay Wall and have enough luxtax room to resign Mirotic.

if the pels are willing to pay the tax, i'm good with it

[payitforward]

Nice to see all this creative thinking. & to see Dat follow up w/ "Kuz and/or Hart," as I'm not really that interested in Kuzma but would love Hart -- would have taken him w/ our '17 R1 pick had Ernie the idiot not p'd it away.

In fact, I'd give Wall for Ball & Hart straight up in a minute, but Magic would have to be feeling a lot of pressure to do that. I'd also like Zubac off that roster -- he's young, enormous, & has an upside, & given that they just signed Chandler, how JaVale is playing, & their having picked Mo Wagner, I speculate they don't project much of a role for him. Could be wrong of course.

I'd be happy to take Rondo back as well if it would make the trade work. He's expiring. Or K C-P. Do want to shed salary, of course.

But, I doubt they want to trade Ball or Hart.

[payitforward]

A more modest trade might be Beal to the Lakers for Hart & their '19 R1 pick. Would they see that as an upgrade? As increasing their chance to compete w/ GS? It's possible.

It's certainly a good trade for us. Brad seems to have peaked & it's not all that high a peak. Hart is terrific & has years of growth in him. I'd rate him higher than Beal right now (not expecting agreement or looking to debate the issue), & we could certainly use the extra R1 pick.

[nate33]

A more modest trade might be Beal to the Lakers for Hart & their '19 R1 pick. Would they see that as an upgrade? As increasing their chance to compete w/ GS? It's possible.

It's certainly a good trade for us. Brad seems to have peaked & it's not all that high a peak. Hart is terrific & has years of growth in him. I'd rate him higher than Beal right now (not expecting agreement or looking to debate the issue), & we could certainly use the extra R1 pick.

I don't see LA sacrificing their cap flexibility for the modest upgrade of Hart to Beal. They'd rather just keep Hart and use cap room to go after Durant/Butler/Kawhi/Klay or maybe Middleton.

Unfortunately, I think the same logic applies with respect to Wall. The time to trade Wall to LA was last summer. LA could have then gone shopping for a max free agent last offseason while boasting having both Wall and Lebron on the roster.

[payitforward]

If we did send Beal to the Lakers, that would allow for Nate's idea of dealing Wall to NO.

We'd have to take back Hill/Johnson (plus the picks), but I wonder whether they'd want to deal Diallo, as he's started the season extremely well. We could make it Payton <-> Smith instead.

Payton / Satoransky
Hart / Johnson / Rivers
Porter / Brown / Oubre
Morris / Green / Hill
Howard / Mahinmi / Bryant

Plus -- 2 extra 2019 R1 picks & an extra R1 pick in '21

[Dark Faze]

The Pels idea seems like it could be a good fit. The main barrier is the move has to get made by the deadline, and the Wizards don't seem anywhere close to being in a place where they'd move Wall. If Ted comes to the conclusion that Wall should be moved, it's hard to imagine he'd let Ernie continue here. So it'd come down to the next GM, and getting a new GM in here and moving Wall all before the deadline is just lightspeed stuff on Ted's timeline.

[Dark Faze]

A more modest trade might be Beal to the Lakers for Hart & their '19 R1 pick. Would they see that as an upgrade? As increasing their chance to compete w/ GS? It's possible.

It's certainly a good trade for us. Brad seems to have peaked & it's not all that high a peak. Hart is terrific & has years of growth in him. I'd rate him higher than Beal right now (not expecting agreement or looking to debate the issue), & we could certainly use the extra R1 pick.

The Lakers are looking potentially at Kawhi or Durant this summer. They aren't going to cut that possibility short for Beal or Wall. Many things become possible if they strike out this summer though.

[Ruzious]

A more modest trade might be Beal to the Lakers for Hart & their '19 R1 pick. Would they see that as an upgrade? As increasing their chance to compete w/ GS? It's possible.

It's certainly a good trade for us. Brad seems to have peaked & it's not all that high a peak. Hart is terrific & has years of growth in him. I'd rate him higher than Beal right now (not expecting agreement or looking to debate the issue), & we could certainly use the extra R1 pick.

The Wiz could likely get a bit more than that for Beal. As well as Hart's started, I don't think anyone thinks of him as more than a decent starter. Maybe add their 2021 1st rounder. We'd also have to take exprirings of both Rondo and KCP - which is fine. Sounds like a win/win trade. Beal (as opposed to Wall) is exactly the kind of player I think Lebron would love to play with. Wiz save a lot of money and get 3 pieces. Lakers get a great fit that makes Lebron happy.

[Dark Faze]

Beal isn't that good. I'd be happy with a lottery pick. Obviously, if I can swindle a team out of a top 5 pick then that's ideal too.

Wall for any kind of soon to be expiring salary is the standard at the moment. I don't even care if we get a pick. Obviously I try to get one, but w/e.

Otto can be the tank commander.

[trast66]

From Tjarks on the ringer:

While players like Butler don’t become available on the trade market often, there is one potential candidate who stands out. The Wizards have been a disaster this season, and Otto Porter Jr., who is averaging only 23.6 minutes over the past four games, has fallen out of favor with head coach Scott Brooks. At 6-foot-8 and 200 pounds, Porter is a versatile defender and a proven shooter with a career 40.3 shooting percentage from 3 on 3.1 attempts per game. He’s a smart and unselfish player who could reveal some untapped offensive potential in a new situation. He has played with nonshooters at point guard (John Wall) and center his entire career. Porter doesn’t have an elite first step, so he could benefit from all the extra space in Houston.

Something has to give for the Wizards, who have been one of the most underachieving teams in the league over the past few seasons. Porter is the obvious candidate to leave. They don’t want to move Bradley Beal, and there may not be any takers for Wall’s gargantuan $170 million extension, which doesn’t kick in until next season. No owner wants to go deep into the luxury tax for a bad team, and Porter is owed $82 million over the next three seasons. It’s too much money for an underused player. The Rockets could give Washington Ennis, who would fill Porter’s role at a slim fraction of the cost; Brandon Knight, Marquese Chriss, and Nene to match salaries; and some combination of future picks. That offer would save Washington so much money over the next few years that it would have to at least think about it.

[Dark Faze]

Porter for trash is the last thing I want to do.

There's always a sucker out there. Blake Griffin was traded for Tobias who is basically year 3/4 Jayson Tatum. There's got be someone who would take him for expirings, or short contracts.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I would literally trade Kief for any sentient human being at this point.

I cannot stand watching this don’t give a damn T-Rex loaf around the court.