Political Roundtable Part XXVI

verbal8 · Post #1561 » by **verbal8** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:37 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
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Lol, he's become a stereotypical evil cartoon character.

You mean HERO!!!!!!

Or Zero!

verbal8 · Post #1562 » by **verbal8** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm

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Even though the pattern of the Trump's behavior is the same. The investigation situation is everything the Russia Investigation/Mueller Report was not.

There may be some objections based on a narrowed scope, but I think this narrative ends up a lot more compelling to undecided voter/citizen. I still think the Senate won't remove, but I think the GOP will pay a step price politically.

The one game changer where I think Trump loses Senate support is if he starts throwing around pardons.

Wizardspride · Post #1563 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:49 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #1564 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:05 am

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Post #1565 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:17 pm

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That's fine as long as they don't rush to a vote. Congress needs to get a timeline of all the facts and present them in an easy to read/understand document. it's going to take some time. Don't let Trump and his people (?) muddy the waters with irrelevant garbage/bs accusations. Maguire screwed up bigtime, but... gotta credit him for his insistence that the whistle-blower has done everything the right way and needs to be protected. Yet Trump is still doing everything he can to discredit the guy and will likely continue to do so.

pancakes3 · Post #1566 » by **pancakes3** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:02 pm

Ruzious wrote: Congress needs to get a timeline of all the facts and present them in an easy to read/understand document.

for those of us playing at home, Slate has a pretty good summary.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/ukraine-timeline-shows-trump-lying.html

dckingsfan · Post #1567 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:54 pm

September 25th Polls

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               Quinnipiac   Economist/YouGov
Warren                 27        27
Biden                  25        25
Sanders                16        16
Buttigieg               7         6
Harris                  3         4
Yang                    2         2
O'Rourke                2         2
Booker                  0         0
Kobuchar                2         1
Castro                  2         0
Gabbard                 1         1
Bennet                  1         1
Styeyer                 2         0

Post #1568 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:07 pm

This is all riveting drama, but of course, the gravity of the situation isn't lost. I have some questions as events progress and pieces are moving:

Why is Barr in Italy? Was it a scheduled trip prior to all this coming to light? (Does Italy have an extradition agreement with the US? - half joking, half wondering on this one).

What if the info that was transferred to the code word servers is deleted? Can it be? Does the CIA have access to it? Does the impeachment inquiry committee?

Is it true that Trump loses his pardon power starting even with an impeachment inquiry let alone should the House vote to impeach?

Also, given that the NRA is tax exempt, what are the chances of losing it if implications are found to be true?

If Pence is implicated and found culpable, and say hypothetically Trump is impeached, does Pence then take over or who does?

Thanks.

Pointgod · Post #1569 » by **Pointgod** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:23 am

GREY 1769 wrote:This is all riveting drama, but of course, the gravity of the situation isn't lost. I have some questions as events progress and pieces are moving.

What if the info that was transferred to the code word servers is deleted? Can it be? Does the CIA have access to it? Does the impeachment inquiry committee?

From my understanding the server is meant to hold highly classified information, think something that could pose a national security risk. Based on this I’m going to assume that deleting files off this server is probably a Federal crime. Good question about whether or not the impeachment committee has access, it might be left up to the courts.

GREY 1769 wrote:Is it true that Trump loses his pardon power starting even with an impeachment inquiry let alone should the House vote to impeach?

Trump can pardon people but it would be a classic example of obstruction of justice. If he directs people to commit crimes with the promise of a pardon then that’s 100% adding to his list of already growing crimes.

GREY 1769 wrote:Also, given that the NRA is tax exempt, what are the chances of losing it if implications are found to be true?

The NRA is already being investigated by the New York Attorney General. Let’s put it this way it’s looking more and more like they’re a money laundering enterprise for Russia.

GREY 1769 wrote:If Pence is implicated and found culpable, and say hypothetically Trump is impeached, does Pence then take over or who does?

Thanks.

In the event that Trump and Pence go down the speaker of the House assumes the duties of President. It would be glorious to see Nancy Pelosi as President just to see the right win eyeballs explode. :lol:

To answer your question

dckingsfan · Post #1570 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:02 pm

The number and rate of abortions across the United States have plunged to their lowest levels since the procedure became legal nationwide in 1973...

http://www.startribune.com/number-of-abortions-in-us-falls-to-lowest-since-1973/560653202/

Post #1571 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:03 am

Honestly, the way Trump has talked about the whistle-blower - putting the guy's life at risk now - should be an impeachable offense. His comments have been beyond irresponsible. And if this shyt keeps up, Trump and his family won't be safe once they leave the WH.

Post #1572 » by **montestewart** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:13 am

Ruzious wrote:Honestly, the way Trump has talked about the whistle-blower - putting the guy's life at risk now - should be an impeachable offense. His comments have been beyond irresponsible. And if this shyt keeps up, Trump and his family won't be safe once they leave the WH.

In The Parallex View II, a populist president and his family are killed off one by one when his oligarch backers decided his recklessness had become more dangerous than useful. All his wives and daughters were fashion models who campaigned against the objectification of women. Very chilling.

Post #1573 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:23 am

montestewart wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Honestly, the way Trump has talked about the whistle-blower - putting the guy's life at risk now - should be an impeachable offense. His comments have been beyond irresponsible. And if this shyt keeps up, Trump and his family won't be safe once they leave the WH.

In The Parallex View II, a populist president and his family are killed off one by one when his oligarch backers decided his recklessness had become more dangerous than useful. All his wives and daughters were fashion models who campaigned against the objectification of women. Very chilling.

It doesn't have to be an oligarch connection or something of that ilk. I can feel the level of anger- and hear it in otherwise mild-mannered people's voices when talking about Trump. If he keeps going like this, it's going to get to a point where otherwise normal people will snap and get violent. That family is going to need a lot of security for the rest of their lives.

Wizardspride · Post #1574 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:27 am

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Post #1575 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:51 pm

CBS News poll: Majority of Americans, Democrats approve impeachment inquiry

More than half of Americans — and an overwhelming number of Democrats — say they approve of the fact that Congress has opened an impeachment inquiry into President Trump. But as the inquiry begins, there is no national consensus on how to assess the president's actions.

Partisans have immediately and predictably split: most Democrats call the president's handling of matters with Ukraine illegal, and deserving of impeachment.

Most Republicans call his actions proper — or, even if improper, then still legal — and feel they're an example of things that past presidents typically did, too. Most Americans think that because Congress is now taking up the matter, it will be unable to work on other issues.

There is division over whether the president's deserves to be impeached. Just slightly more feel he does than he doesn't, and almost a quarter feel it's too soon to say — most of them say they want to wait to see what the facts show.

Spoiler:

CBS News

dobrojim · Post #1576 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:04 pm

montestewart wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Honestly, the way Trump has talked about the whistle-blower - putting the guy's life at risk now - should be an impeachable offense. His comments have been beyond irresponsible. And if this shyt keeps up, Trump and his family won't be safe once they leave the WH.

In The Parallex View II, a populist president and his family are killed off one by one when his oligarch backers decided his recklessness had become more dangerous than useful. All his wives and daughters were fashion models who campaigned against the objectification of women. Very chilling.

ooo- I didn't ever see the PV II. I do remember PV. Scary movie. Does feed conspiracy theory thinking though.

Post #1577 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:19 pm

Trump openly calling for civil war, which I think would be a GREAT idea. Pretty sure a lot of these GOP senators are waiting for someone to die before they come out for impeachment openly. I think that's what it's going to take. How about it, Daone? Take one for the team? Go murder a few baby killers for the good of democracy?

JWizmentality · Post #1578 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:22 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Trump openly calling for civil war, which I think would be a GREAT idea. Pretty sure a lot of these GOP senators are waiting for someone to die before they come out for impeachment openly. I think that's what it's going to take. How about it, Daone? Take one for the team? Go murder a few baby killers for the good of democracy?

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

South wants a do over? I'm game.

Post #1579 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:41 pm

On the one hand I'm like "bring it, you fat f@#ks" on the other what will actually happen is they'll wage an asymmetric terrorist war and a lot of innocent people will die for each fat f@#k you kill. Not worth it. Better for the GOP to get a conscience and put the kibosh on the whole thing before anybody dies. Not going to happen unfortunately.

bsilver · Post #1580 » by **bsilver** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:58 pm

dckingsfan wrote:September 25th Polls

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Quinnipiac Economist/YouGov Warren 27 27 Biden 25 25 Sanders 16 16 Buttigieg 7 6 Harris 3 4 Yang 2 2 O'Rourke 2 2 Booker 0 0 Kobuchar 2 1 Castro 2 0 Gabbard 1 1 Bennet 1 1 Styeyer 2 0

The Warren bandwagon has started.
Sanders supporters are very loyal, but their big fear is Biden winning. I think many will switch to Warren if that's what it takes to stop Biden.
Many women democrats think Hillary's loss showed that the country won't elect a woman, but I think they are in denial about what a flawed candidate she was.