Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[dckingsfan]

Teeth will be gnashed between now and the trade deadline.

The idea of "adding a piece" by trading young assets or picks to try to keep Beal is borderline insane. The only way it isn't is if Beal has or will agree to get paid what he's worth, not a supermax. Sure - if you can add Sabonis cheaply, you do it. But that's deeply unrealistic - other teams will outbid us.

I'd be happier with standing pat and just letting Beal go at the end of the year. I used to think that was the worst possible outcome. Now it is clear that a supermax or ruining a rebuild in an attempt to keep him would be worse.

This franchise - #sowizards

Just helping

[FAH1223]

Reading the Wizards section you get a sense of Ernie Grunfeld deja-vu
https://hoopshype.com/team/washington-wizards/

We are so screwed. AGAIN!

[gambitx777]

Here is how I would work this.

Dinwidie to Cleveland for Rubio and a or two second (doesn't matter what second)
Or
Dinwidie to LA for bledsoe and either a second and or Preston/Boston Jr.

Bertans to the jazz for Ingles / maybe butler if you can talk them into it, depends on their desperation.

Trez and KCP to NO for Sato and the Lakers protected 22 first.

Then the big one

Beal and grant to the 76ers
Bey, Springer, Green, Olynyk and the 76ers 23 first and 4 seconds form the pistons 23-25 (2 in 24) to the wizards
Simmons and Gill to the pistons.

We cut Rubio/bledsoe, Ingles out front.
You end up with a ton! Of money saved. Some nice TPE's, a bunch of seconds, 2first round picks and some nice young wing players. The best of which being Bey and springer and the other that were maybes, even better if you get some of those.
You then set out to trade Olynyk, Green and Sato for anything you can get, two of witch can just be cut after the dead line if not moved and you need the spots.

Then if you get a good offer for Kuz you do it if not let him be the dude to get his numbers up and flip him later.

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[queridiculo]

Simmons and Jaden Springer to Washington, Beal to Phily.

Wizards roll big with a lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Hachimura
Gaffford

or

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Avdija
Hachimura

[jangles86]

If Beal is traded then the Wiz need to get draft capital back and need to rebuild instantly.

Keep Rui, Gafford, Deni and Kispert.

Trade Beal, Harrell, Bertans, KCP, Kuzma

Get as many 1st round picks as possible and start again. This franchise is a basket case right now with Beal.

[nate33]

If Beal is traded then the Wiz need to get draft capital back and need to rebuild instantly.

Keep Rui, Gafford, Deni and Kispert.

Trade Beal, Harrell, Bertans, KCP, Kuzma

Get as many 1st round picks as possible and start again. This franchise is a basket case right now with Beal.

I'm torn on whether or not to trade Kuzma, but I agree with the rest.

The most important thing is to trade Beal and Harrell. (Harrell is great, but he probably won't want to resign in the summer, and he'll ruin the tank in the meantime.)

[nate33]

Simmons and Jaden Springer to Washington, Beal to Phily.

Wizards roll big with a lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Hachimura
Gaffford

or

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Avdija
Hachimura

Do we have any reason to think Springer is any good? He hasn't played all season, and his GLeague numbers aren't particularly impressive. I think I'd prefer a future 1st from Philly.

[pancakes3]

Beal + whatever for Dame.

[payitforward]

...The beginning of the end was when the Wiz management used no foresight in seeing how this season was going to turn out - or simply chose to ignore it - thinking the fans would accept it. If you hear any local media folk say things like "This team is too talented to be playing like this"... you'll know that person either doesn't know a basketball from a hockey puck or knows he's paid to be a homer/loser.

I'm not sure I agree with this. The Wizards probably blew an opportunity to blow it up at the Trade Deadline last season. I'm not sure what was available, but they definitely could have moved Beal for picks/prospects and tanked their way to a bottom 7 pick.

But once the summer came along, I don't really think there was a great Beal trade out there. Golden State never seemed inclined to trade Wiggins and picks for Beal, and none of the lotto teams were going to trade their lotto pick for Beal. When the Westbrook trade fell into our laps, it was pretty much a no-brainer. The only real decision was whether or not to use the $18M TPE in a gambit to add another starter like they did with Dinwiddie, or to just do nothing with it and hope for the best without any starting caliber PG on the roster. I can't really hate on Tommy for doing what he did. The team had too many credible NBA players to put forth a plan to blatantly tank for the entire 2021-22 season.

I still think things can be basically salvaged even now. Just trade Beal for Simmons and a 1st. Dump Bertans to Utah if possible. Trade Harrell for a pick so he doesn't screw up the tank. If Dinwiddie can be moved for 2nds and cap relief, do it. But if not, give him the reins and let him try and boost his trade value over the remaining 32 games.

Short memories....

We acquired Gafford at the deadline last year & proceeded to close the season 17-6. Things looked good.

We then got rid of Westbrook -- certainly a reasonable decision to do that! & we got what all of us here -- not to mention just about every NBA pundit -- agreed was quite a good return. No ineptitude to that point, right?

In the process we signed Dinwiddie -- I thought it was a good signing. Actually, I don't recall anyone complaining, though I might be wrong. So far so good.

Then we picked Kispert in the draft. I didn't like the pick, but it certainly looks like it was an excellent choice. Once again, to that point nothing to complain about. & no one did, not that I recall. Some bickering about Kispert -- but of course that faded when he played well & the guy you'd have preferred us to pick didn't play well.

We traded the #22 pick for Aaron Holiday & the #31 pick w/ wch we grabbed Todd.

I really disliked all parts of that sequence. Wouldn't have made the trade & wouldn't have used the #31 pick the way Tommy did. Said it at the time.

I wasn't entirely alone in that opinion, but still, I don't think many of you agreed with me. I'd say that most of those who are damning Tommy's name right now thought it was quite a positive move. Applauded it.

Then we went 10-3. Meaning that in our previous 36 regular season games we were, at that point, 27-9. I'm pretty sure no one, not me not anyone else, thought anything but, "wow! this is really great!" It didn't even matter that the guy you'd all been so happy to sign for $80m & 5 years wasn't playing well at all. Who had time to notice a detail like that?

Am I right so far?

Then we went 13-24 in the next 37 games, & everyone understood what a bum Tommy Sheppard has been -- a total failure as a GM! As you all knew he'd be.

Right? That about how it went down? Uh huh, it is.

[nate33]

Beal + whatever for Dame.

Why?

We're not winning anything with Lillard either.

We need to rebuild, not trade Beal for someone even older and more expensive.

[Ruzious]

I'm bracing for disaster.

If we trade Deni, Kuzma and future firsts for a guy like Sabonis,

It's Indianapolis. They would want Deni and Kispert most. Carlisle likes scrappy defenders, no doubt he's coveting Avdija. And all things being equal, a team like Indiana (and Utah) like to get as pale complected a team as they can manage while staying competitive. Anything else is salary filler and future considerations.

I'm guessing there would be a 3rd team involved that would take Kuzma and maybe Harrell or KCP and give up picks to Indiana. I'm worried we trade away future unprotected picks and take away the protection on the 2023 pick sent to Houston - in order to make it legal for us to trade the 2025 pick. Indiana then gets a big package of 1sts in addition to Avdija and filler.

[nate33]

...The beginning of the end was when the Wiz management used no foresight in seeing how this season was going to turn out - or simply chose to ignore it - thinking the fans would accept it. If you hear any local media folk say things like "This team is too talented to be playing like this"... you'll know that person either doesn't know a basketball from a hockey puck or knows he's paid to be a homer/loser.

I'm not sure I agree with this. The Wizards probably blew an opportunity to blow it up at the Trade Deadline last season. I'm not sure what was available, but they definitely could have moved Beal for picks/prospects and tanked their way to a bottom 7 pick.

But once the summer came along, I don't really think there was a great Beal trade out there. Golden State never seemed inclined to trade Wiggins and picks for Beal, and none of the lotto teams were going to trade their lotto pick for Beal. When the Westbrook trade fell into our laps, it was pretty much a no-brainer. The only real decision was whether or not to use the $18M TPE in a gambit to add another starter like they did with Dinwiddie, or to just do nothing with it and hope for the best without any starting caliber PG on the roster. I can't really hate on Tommy for doing what he did. The team had too many credible NBA players to put forth a plan to blatantly tank for the entire 2021-22 season.

I still think things can be basically salvaged even now. Just trade Beal for Simmons and a 1st. Dump Bertans to Utah if possible. Trade Harrell for a pick so he doesn't screw up the tank. If Dinwiddie can be moved for 2nds and cap relief, do it. But if not, give him the reins and let him try and boost his trade value over the remaining 32 games.

Short memories....

We acquired Gafford at the deadline last year & proceeded to close the season 17-6. Things looked good.

We then got rid of Westbrook -- certainly a reasonable decision to do that! & we got what all of us here -- not to mention just about every NBA pundit -- agreed was quite a good return. No ineptitude to that point, right?

In the process we signed Dinwiddie -- I thought it was a good signing. Actually, I don't recall anyone complaining, though I might be wrong. So far so good.

Then we picked Kispert in the draft. I didn't like the pick, but it certainly looks like it was an excellent choice. Once again, to that point nothing to complain about. & no one did, not that I recall.

We traded the #22 pick for Aaron Holiday & the #31 pick w/ wch we grabbed Todd.

I really disliked all parts of that sequence. Wouldn't have made the trade & wouldn't have used the #31 pick the way Tommy did. Said it at the time.

I wasn't entirely alone in that opinion, but still, I don't think many of you agreed with me. I'd say that most of those who are damning Tommy's name right now thought it was quite a positive move. Applauded it.

Then we went 10-3. Meaning that in our previous 36 regular season games we were, at that point, 27-9. I'm pretty sure no one, not me not anyone else, thought anything but, "wow! this is really great!" It didn't even matter that the guy you'd all been so happy to sign for $80m & 5 years wasn't playing well at all. Who had time to notice a detail like that?

Am I right so far?

Then we went 13-24 in the next 37 games, & everyone understood what a bum Tommy Sheppard has been -- a total failure as a GM! As you all knew he'd be.

Right? That about how it went down? Uh huh, it is.

I agree with most of this. My only quibble is that I was ready to trade Beal at the Trade Deadline last year rather than make a playoff push. Yes, Sheppard decided to go for the playoffs and was actually successful, but it still wasn't a great long term choice. We could have made the Gafford trade AND traded Beal for future picks and then tanked into a top 7 pick.

But once Sheppard made the decision to go for the playoffs last year, I don't really have much on an issue with his performance afterwards. Like you, I wasn't thrilled with how we squandered the #22 pick, but it's not like Sheppard made a serious of egregious mistakes. Indeed, Sheppard can still salvage the situation if he trades Beal for Simmons and extracts a little value out of Harrell (and maybe KCP and Dinwiddie too, if possible).

[jangles86]

Beal + whatever for Dame.

Definition of treadmill

[queridiculo]

Do we have any reason to think Springer is any good? He hasn't played all season, and his GLeague numbers aren't particularly impressive. I think I'd prefer a future 1st from Philly.

Springer turned 19 at the end of September, so I wouldn't put too much stock into what he looks like right now.

He's looked like a plus defender in college and has a decent looking stroke.

If Philly isn't interested in parting with picks I'll take that as a consolation price.

[Dark Faze]

If Beal isn't ready to leave yet, then he's either a true lifer or simply refuses to take anything less than the 5 year max. I'm thinking it's a bit of both, which...hey, good on him, but I'm ready to hit the reset button.

[Ruzious]

I'm not sure I agree with this. The Wizards probably blew an opportunity to blow it up at the Trade Deadline last season. I'm not sure what was available, but they definitely could have moved Beal for picks/prospects and tanked their way to a bottom 7 pick.

But once the summer came along, I don't really think there was a great Beal trade out there. Golden State never seemed inclined to trade Wiggins and picks for Beal, and none of the lotto teams were going to trade their lotto pick for Beal. When the Westbrook trade fell into our laps, it was pretty much a no-brainer. The only real decision was whether or not to use the $18M TPE in a gambit to add another starter like they did with Dinwiddie, or to just do nothing with it and hope for the best without any starting caliber PG on the roster. I can't really hate on Tommy for doing what he did. The team had too many credible NBA players to put forth a plan to blatantly tank for the entire 2021-22 season.

I still think things can be basically salvaged even now. Just trade Beal for Simmons and a 1st. Dump Bertans to Utah if possible. Trade Harrell for a pick so he doesn't screw up the tank. If Dinwiddie can be moved for 2nds and cap relief, do it. But if not, give him the reins and let him try and boost his trade value over the remaining 32 games.

Short memories....

We acquired Gafford at the deadline last year & proceeded to close the season 17-6. Things looked good.

We then got rid of Westbrook -- certainly a reasonable decision to do that! & we got what all of us here -- not to mention just about every NBA pundit -- agreed was quite a good return. No ineptitude to that point, right?

In the process we signed Dinwiddie -- I thought it was a good signing. Actually, I don't recall anyone complaining, though I might be wrong. So far so good.

Then we picked Kispert in the draft. I didn't like the pick, but it certainly looks like it was an excellent choice. Once again, to that point nothing to complain about. & no one did, not that I recall.

We traded the #22 pick for Aaron Holiday & the #31 pick w/ wch we grabbed Todd.

I really disliked all parts of that sequence. Wouldn't have made the trade & wouldn't have used the #31 pick the way Tommy did. Said it at the time.

I wasn't entirely alone in that opinion, but still, I don't think many of you agreed with me. I'd say that most of those who are damning Tommy's name right now thought it was quite a positive move. Applauded it.

Then we went 10-3. Meaning that in our previous 36 regular season games we were, at that point, 27-9. I'm pretty sure no one, not me not anyone else, thought anything but, "wow! this is really great!" It didn't even matter that the guy you'd all been so happy to sign for $80m & 5 years wasn't playing well at all. Who had time to notice a detail like that?

Am I right so far?

Then we went 13-24 in the next 37 games, & everyone understood what a bum Tommy Sheppard has been -- a total failure as a GM! As you all knew he'd be.

Right? That about how it went down? Uh huh, it is.

I agree with most of this. My only quibble is that I was ready to trade Beal at the Trade Deadline last year rather than make a playoff push. Yes, Sheppard decided to go for the playoffs and was actually successful, but it still wasn't a great long term choice. We could have made the Gafford trade AND traded Beal for future picks and then tanked into a top 7 pick.

But once Sheppard made the decision to go for the playoffs last year, I don't really have much on an issue with his performance afterwards. Like you, I wasn't thrilled with how we squandered the #22 pick, but it's not like Sheppard made a serious of egregious mistakes. Indeed, Sheppard can still salvage the situation if he trades Beal for Simmons and extracts a little value out of Harrell (and maybe KCP and Dinwiddie too, if possible).

Nah, he's wrong unless going for the 8th seed via the 10th seed is what we're going for every year. We're worse than that now because of the mistakes in the draft, but we were never going to be more than a .500 team.

Pif, what did I say before the Dinwiddie trade? It was do NOT trade for Dinwiddie. The trade was very depressing to me. If it wasn't for Doc trying to keep the board from being all apoplectic about it, I would have completely trashed it, but I basically kept quiet. If anything, it's turned out better than I thought, because Kuz has improved during the season. I'm pretty sure I picked 30 wins for the Wiz in the predictions thread. You can look there to see what people were predicting for this season. And besides that, we don't get paid to be the GM - and don't have the information that a GM gets. If the royal weeee and you are wrong, that doesn't excuse the GM. Do I have that right? Prably so.

[nate33]

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[gambitx777]

Do we have any reason to think Springer is any good? He hasn't played all season, and his GLeague numbers aren't particularly impressive. I think I'd prefer a future 1st from Philly.

Springer turned 19 at the end of September, so I wouldn't put too much stock into what he looks like right now.

He's looked like a plus defender in college and has a decent looking stroke.

If Philly isn't interested in parting with picks I'll take that as a consolation price.

I loved him in college. He was good and he doesn't get time because they are packed with 2 guards.


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[Dat2U]

Simmons and Jaden Springer to Washington, Beal to Phily.

Wizards roll big with a lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Hachimura
Gaffford

or

Simmons
KCP
Kuzma
Avdija
Hachimura

Need Maxey

[ozthegap]

Short memories....

We acquired Gafford at the deadline last year & proceeded to close the season 17-6. Things looked good.

We then got rid of Westbrook -- certainly a reasonable decision to do that! & we got what all of us here -- not to mention just about every NBA pundit -- agreed was quite a good return. No ineptitude to that point, right?

In the process we signed Dinwiddie -- I thought it was a good signing. Actually, I don't recall anyone complaining, though I might be wrong. So far so good.

Then we picked Kispert in the draft. I didn't like the pick, but it certainly looks like it was an excellent choice. Once again, to that point nothing to complain about. & no one did, not that I recall.

We traded the #22 pick for Aaron Holiday & the #31 pick w/ wch we grabbed Todd.

I really disliked all parts of that sequence. Wouldn't have made the trade & wouldn't have used the #31 pick the way Tommy did. Said it at the time.

I wasn't entirely alone in that opinion, but still, I don't think many of you agreed with me. I'd say that most of those who are damning Tommy's name right now thought it was quite a positive move. Applauded it.

Then we went 10-3. Meaning that in our previous 36 regular season games we were, at that point, 27-9. I'm pretty sure no one, not me not anyone else, thought anything but, "wow! this is really great!" It didn't even matter that the guy you'd all been so happy to sign for $80m & 5 years wasn't playing well at all. Who had time to notice a detail like that?

Am I right so far?

Then we went 13-24 in the next 37 games, & everyone understood what a bum Tommy Sheppard has been -- a total failure as a GM! As you all knew he'd be.

Right? That about how it went down? Uh huh, it is.

I agree with most of this. My only quibble is that I was ready to trade Beal at the Trade Deadline last year rather than make a playoff push. Yes, Sheppard decided to go for the playoffs and was actually successful, but it still wasn't a great long term choice. We could have made the Gafford trade AND traded Beal for future picks and then tanked into a top 7 pick.

But once Sheppard made the decision to go for the playoffs last year, I don't really have much on an issue with his performance afterwards. Like you, I wasn't thrilled with how we squandered the #22 pick, but it's not like Sheppard made a serious of egregious mistakes. Indeed, Sheppard can still salvage the situation if he trades Beal for Simmons and extracts a little value out of Harrell (and maybe KCP and Dinwiddie too, if possible).

Nah, he's wrong unless going for the 8th seed via the 10th seed is what we're going for every year. We're worse than that now because of the mistakes in the draft, but we were never going to be more than a .500 team.

Pif, what did I say before the Dinwiddie trade? It was do NOT trade for Dinwiddie. The trade was very depressing to me. If it wasn't for Doc trying to keep the board from being all apoplectic about it, I would have completely trashed it, but I basically kept quiet. If anything, it's turned out better than I thought, because Kuz has improved during the season. I'm pretty sure I picked 30 wins for the Wiz in the predictions thread. You can look there to see what people were predicting for this season. And besides that, we don't get paid to be the GM - and don't have the information that a GM gets. If the royal weeee and you are wrong, that doesn't excuse the GM. Do I have that right? Prably so.

I knew the 10-3 start was fool’s gold and said so. But I only post once in a blue moon so guess I don’t count