TGW wrote:prime1time wrote:TGW wrote:
Uh no. Rui’s got a lot of work to do to become a good player. Right now, he’s barely above replacement level. He hasn’t been awful but hes definitely not making anyone eat crow. Get real.
I'm so tired of this sentiment. Rui has done more than enough already to justify drafting him. And the only reason people on this thread insist on not giving him his due is because they keep on changing the goal post. How many players each draft end up being good players? And for the ones that do, how many do it in a year and a half? What the Hachimura detractors have done is create a standard that is almost impossible for Hachimura to reach at this point in his career. He's a second year player who shows good potential. Funny how for many people on this board that's a negative statement. The vast majority of drafted NBA players never become good players. The fact that we are a year and a half in and Rui still has a realistic path to become a good player justifies the draft pick.
You're in love with everyone on this team. Only problem is that all these awesome players have accumulated a 11-18 record. Maybe that's a sign that you need to re-evaluate how you evaluate players.
btw, I don't hate Hachimura. He has some talent, but to claim that he's a good player right now is delusional.
You should check your reading comprehension. Kind of weird to quote someone then write a response that in no way, shape or form addresses what they wrote. As far as your other point, it lacks any semblance of credibility. You can go in the Bonga thread I've clearly pointed out his flaws. You can go in the Westbrook thread, once again I've clearly pointed out his flaws. Even in the Beal thread I've pointed out ways he can improve. And if you really want to get down to it, you and I don't even disagree with what we objectively see from Hachimura.
I wrote, "The fact that we are a year and a half in and Rui still has a realistic path to become a good player justifies the draft pick." In response you wrote, "You're in love with everyone on this team. Only problem is that all these awesome players have accumulated a 11-18 record. Maybe that's a sign that you need to re-evaluate how you evaluate players." Maybe instead of challenging how I evaluate players, you should evaluate your reading comprehension. What I take exception to, is some poster's obsession with framing everything Hachimura does in a negative light. He's a young player who has the potential to develop into a good player. For most fan bases that's a good thing. In our forum, we just have posters running around constantly reminding everyone that the player that we just drafted last year isn't a good player. It's quite bizarre. If Hachimura was 28 or a 10 year vet I could understand. But he's 23.
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I posted this very tweet when I saw it. As for my evaluations of Hachimura, maybe you should actually (and it might sound crazy) read what I wrote. Hachimura needs to improve his 3-point shooting. He needs to improve his help defense. He needs to either draw charges or contest at the rim. He needs to continue to develop his handles so he can initiate offense and lead the break more fluidly. With that being said, posters like yourself constantly move the goal post. I was told that Rui couldn't play adequate one-on-one defense. Now he does, and yet his detractors can't even point out when they've been proved wrong. Rui is taking more 3's this year and making them at a higher percentage. Showing clear-cut improvement. Yet, once again his detractors can't acknowledge the improvement.
I challenge you to reference any post where I said that Rui is a good player right now. If I did, I take it back. With young players the question isn't where they are right now, it's are they improving. When someone points out that he's improving and you find the need to jump in and say that he's not a good player, don't be surprised when someone calls you out on it.