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Post#161 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:21 am

The Philadelphia 76ers are keying in on Donatas Motiejunas with the No. 16 pick, according to a source. The Sixers want to add size and post depth, and Motiejunas is a 7-footer that can really score well in the post. The Sixers are also hoping that a guy like Jonas Valanciunas or Tristan Thompson could fall to them. Nikola Vucevic could also be a sleeper for the Sixers' pick. There is a chance that Motiejunas and/or Valanciunas could withdraw from the NBA Draft by the June 13 deadline. If this were to happen, the Sixers could explore trading their pick to move later in the first round or possibly even out of the first round


Yikes, Valanciunas dropping-out could shake things up, I hope it doesn't happen.
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Post#162 » by verbal8 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:29 am

closg00 wrote:
The Philadelphia 76ers are keying in on Donatas Motiejunas with the No. 16 pick, according to a source. The Sixers want to add size and post depth, and Motiejunas is a 7-footer that can really score well in the post. The Sixers are also hoping that a guy like Jonas Valanciunas or Tristan Thompson could fall to them. Nikola Vucevic could also be a sleeper for the Sixers' pick. There is a chance that Motiejunas and/or Valanciunas could withdraw from the NBA Draft by the June 13 deadline. If this were to happen, the Sixers could explore trading their pick to move later in the first round or possibly even out of the first round


Yikes, Valanciunas dropping-out could shake things up, I hope it doesn't happen.


I think it would be a big mistake for Valanciuna to drop out of the draft. He might drop a few spots because of his buyout situation, but he will go top ten in this draft. I think that many drafts he would be a mid-first round pick(like Seraphin was).

According to a Yahoo story, he wants to play in the NBA. The higher he gets drafted the easier it is for that to happen.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArzteLRJnTSRWNAk89H7Gqe8vLYF?slug=ycn-8514315
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Post#163 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:46 am

A frickin' disaster if Jonas drops out: Raptors snatch Kemba at 5 and the rug's been pulled on us nicely.

At that point, pick Biyombo and clutch the rosary tight, I says.
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Post#164 » by princeofpalace » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:47 am

dangermouse wrote:Tristan Thompson, would a good comparison be a slightly less athletic Josh Smith?


I think a bigger and smarter Tyrus Thomas is a better comparison
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Post#165 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:47 am

For Wiz D, a glowing article on Tyler's rise up the charts and growing maturity. ;)
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/s ... index.html
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Post#166 » by corwin » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:56 am

closg00 wrote:
The Philadelphia 76ers are keying in on Donatas Motiejunas with the No. 16 pick, according to a source. The Sixers want to add size and post depth, and Motiejunas is a 7-footer that can really score well in the post. The Sixers are also hoping that a guy like Jonas Valanciunas or Tristan Thompson could fall to them. Nikola Vucevic could also be a sleeper for the Sixers' pick. There is a chance that Motiejunas and/or Valanciunas could withdraw from the NBA Draft by the June 13 deadline. If this were to happen, the Sixers could explore trading their pick to move later in the first round or possibly even out of the first round


Yikes, Valanciunas dropping-out could shake things up, I hope it doesn't happen.


Could you tell us where this is from? Thanks.
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Post#167 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 12:05 pm

corwin wrote:
closg00 wrote:
The Philadelphia 76ers are keying in on Donatas Motiejunas with the No. 16 pick, according to a source. The Sixers want to add size and post depth, and Motiejunas is a 7-footer that can really score well in the post. The Sixers are also hoping that a guy like Jonas Valanciunas or Tristan Thompson could fall to them. Nikola Vucevic could also be a sleeper for the Sixers' pick. There is a chance that Motiejunas and/or Valanciunas could withdraw from the NBA Draft by the June 13 deadline. If this were to happen, the Sixers could explore trading their pick to move later in the first round or possibly even out of the first round


Yikes, Valanciunas dropping-out could shake things up, I hope it doesn't happen.


Could you tell us where this is from? Thanks.


Apologies, here's the link. I also saw a reference to this on another site, but can't remember which....looking for it.
http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=741
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Post#168 » by hands11 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 12:29 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I don't have stats to back this up, but my gut feeling is Tristan Thompson IS worth the sixth pick. He is a tremendous defender. His HS profile and competitiveness as a freshman at Texas makes me think he's eventually going to be a terrific defensive presence in the NBA.


Here's the stats to back it up, of course they also highlight Chris Singleton, Kawhi Leonard and Jordan Hamilton:

Texas was the#2 team in overall defensive efficiency, holding their opponents to a eFG of 42.5% with a low rate of FT's per shot attempt. And T2 was the most effective defender on their team. Jordan Hamilton was pretty good despite his write-up and profile but Tristan's length and willingness to challenge out to the perimeter as well as inside was a key factor. Jordan Hamilton feasted on defensive rebounds forced by Tristan's willingness to challenge - one reason why Thompson's defensive rebounding numbers are low while his offensive boards are solid is that he was forcing misses for Hamilton to scoop up. Brendan Haywood style.

Notice though the #1 defensive squad: Florida State and Chris Singleton.
And the #3 defensive squad: San Diego State and Kawhi Leonard.

This is a good year for defensive stalwarts. A weak draft from an all-star perspective, but there are competent tough savvy competitive defensive mugs all up and down the draft.


I think this draft is deep with NBA players. Who becomes a star is an unknown. I think stars are made when opportunity presents itself. Example, Terry is really stepping it up for Dallas. So is Shawn. Now if you mean Wade type starts, they are sometimes hard to predict. 6-4 220. Dirke took a while to develop into the level he is now but 7-0 pure shooters like him are hard to find. He used to be all perimeter and soft. Now he takes it to the rack more.

There may not be a Wade or Dirke or LeBron in this group but there is probably a Marion and Terry or two. Maybe even a PP type.

We have a PG who can break, drive and dish.
McGee should be able play at Chandlers level or better in time.
Booker is that motor tough dude who can dunk and has some post game. He will add a mid range.
Dray is an all around high compliment player ala Odem. He can shine in spots.
Nick is the spot up pure shooter who could add more driving skills.
Crawford is a nice piece. He has that edge. He has a motor and can play some PG some SG.

This team may need defenders, but I think they need to focus on that multidemsional scorer who can do it inside and out and get to the line and defend. The PP type. That might be Morris. Going straight defense or rebounding I think would be a mistake at this point. At least with the top pick.

They also need another pure perimeter player. Better outside shooting and more dribble penetration is going to mean less rebounds. When it gets down to it late in the playoffs and defenses get really tight, you need someone who can hit open shots from outside and someone who can handle the ball, drive, get to the line and create their own shot. Wall as a PG will get trapped and doubled so he needs that compliment player. That is usually a SG, SG/SF, SF, SF/PF type. They have one pure shooter who is Nick and he might not even be around.

Wade is Miami's star, not LeBron or Bosh. Terry and Marian are taking the pressure off Dirke.

Enes would be great help at center which the team could use.
But they also need a slasher finisher who gets to the line who isn't the PG.
And more pure shooting.

Morris my be the best fit for what we need first.
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Post#169 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 12:45 pm

Wow! Just listened to a Givony podcast, his two picks for allstars coming out of this draft?
Irving and......... Biyombo :o :o :o
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DX- ... Locke-3741
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Post#170 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:10 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Tristan Thompson, would a good comparison be a slightly less athletic Josh Smith?


I think a bigger and smarter Tyrus Thomas is a better comparison

He measured in at all of one quarter inch taller and 10 lbs heavier in the DX measurements database - and Thomas is/was the better athlete of the 2.
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Post#171 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:13 pm

closg00 wrote:Wow! Just listened to a Givony podcast, his two picks for allstars coming out of this draft?
Irving and......... Biyombo :o :o :o
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DX- ... Locke-3741


Yeah, I just heard that too, though I don't know if Biyombo's going to put up the sort of numbers necessary to get on the squad. He looks more impact in non-boxscore aspects to me. 1st Team all defense seems more likely, though if he qualifies as a center, it would be a lot easier to make the cut.

For that same reason, I think Irving and Williams will have a hard time getting on the A-stars with how deep the league is in Points and Power Forwards. Irving as a point in the East in particular is tough; it almost seems like you could be a top 20 player in the game and never make the team.
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Post#172 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:23 pm

Channeling my inner WizNas, one thing I noticed in watching a bunch of Biz video - I've never seen him jump off 1 foot. I'm guessing that's a negative, but maybe it's a positive, since it's much easier to stay squared up and in control when you're jumping off both feet.

I'd lean toward picking BB if both Jonas and Kanter are gone, but I don't think the Wiz will. He's basically Big Ben (another BB?) without a fro.
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Post#173 » by GhostsOfGil » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:37 pm

big names in the work out yesterday. vid is up

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Post#174 » by popper » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:55 pm

I've been advocating for BB for several weeks now. He is the wild card in this draft in that his defense and rebounding seem to be at an NBA level already. If he were to develop an offensive game he could very well be a steal. In the workout videos his mid=range jumper looks pretty decent. He is the only player I would take at six - if EG is not comfortable with him then trade down.

Another player I am enamored with is Shumpert. His combine results are incredable. He is taller, stronger and has bigger ups than DWade. Also, like Crawford, he can play both guard positions. With his strength and size there is no reason he can't play a few minutes at SF as well.
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Post#175 » by RT31 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:16 pm

popper wrote:Another player I am enamored with is Shumpert. His combine results are incredable. He is taller, stronger and has bigger ups than DWade. Also, like Crawford, he can play both guard positions. With his strength and size there is no reason he can't play a few minutes at SF as well.


I like Shumpert. #18 might be too high for him though. He's like a Shannon Brown. If he's there at #34, great! But I'm guessing he's probably gone at the end of the 1st round. I don't know if he's long enough to guard SF. definitely PG/SG.
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Post#176 » by bullitz » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:19 pm

IMHO, BB has impressed me just as much as Kanter in the highlights I've seen. BB with a more polished defensive game, Kanter with a more polished offensive game. Seems to me some are taking Kanter's "best case" as gospel. Kanter is not a sure thing in a Wall or Lebron sense. There's nothing to give any indication that his skills will seamlessly translate to the NBA. That said, I'd absolutely take him with the 6th pick.

I just don't think it's smart money to discuss trading any assets (no matter how much you think of Blatche as a 12th man on a bad team) to move up in the draft many proclaimed among the weakest in history just a few months ago. So I say stay at 6th and hope for the best. But if BB is there and Kanter isn't (funny things happen on draft night someone may see BB as the best player in the draft) I say take him because I see his best case as a more offensively fluid Ben Wallace and I think his worst case is as pretty good role playing defender and rebounder in much the same way his counterpart, Kanter's, worst case is a role playing pick and pop shooter and rebounder.
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Post#177 » by pancakes3 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:24 pm

forecast: snarky with a good chance of sarcasm:

hands11 wrote:This team may need defenders, but I think they need to focus on that multidemsional scorer who can do it inside and out and get to the line and defend.


oh is that all? someone who can reliably get into the lane, move without the ball, shoot 37%+ from 3, and defend?

Ruzious wrote:I'd lean toward picking BB if both Jonas and Kanter are gone, but I don't think the Wiz will. He's basically Big Ben (another BB?) without a fro.


are we above drafting the next ben wallace, even without a fro?
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Post#178 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:29 pm

pancakes3 wrote:forecast: snarky with a good chance of sarcasm:

hands11 wrote:This team may need defenders, but I think they need to focus on that multidemsional scorer who can do it inside and out and get to the line and defend.


oh is that all? someone who can reliably get into the lane, move without the ball, shoot 37%+ from 3, and defend?

Ruzious wrote:I'd lean toward picking BB if both Jonas and Kanter are gone, but I don't think the Wiz will. He's basically Big Ben (another BB?) without a fro.


are we above drafting the next ben wallace, even without a fro?

A little bit of snark in the right dosage never hurt anyone. :) No, it's more my assumption that the Wiz will have an aversion to drafting another relativistically unskilled big.
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Post#179 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:32 pm

So the Kanter DX High school footage is up:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... nter-3743/

I'd embed the youtube for you'ze guys, but I can't on this here device.

Well, suffice to say I like the offensive footage better than that of the defensive. We might get a good five pages of blather out of these, though.

Edit --> the end of the article:

According to NBA teams in his draft range, Kanter hasn't helped himself with the way he's choosing to educate them about his abilities. His preference appears to be to leave teams in the dark and force them to make a decision based on limited information, which has frustrated them quite a bit from what they're saying in private conversations.

Kanter has not been consistent in the way he's approached the draft process, sending mixed messages and changing strategies seemingly on a daily basis. He initially planned on not doing competitive workouts, refusing to leave his home base of Chicago to visit either the Utah Jazz (drafting 3rd) or Toronto Raptors (drafting 5th). As we've gotten closer to the draft, though, he's adapted his plans, first electing to participate fully in the NBA Combine, then traveling to meet suitors and work out competitively.

Kanter's draft range at the moment appears to be anywhere from 2 to 6. In a little over two weeks we'll know exactly where Kanter will start his NBA career, but we have very little idea right now where he'll go. What type of NBA player will he be? No one can really say with any certainty, due to the large gaps in his resume. Even the most respected talent evaluators shrug their shoulders and hedge their bets. In the meantime, teams will continue to try and put themselves in position to make the best decision for their franchise.


http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... nter-3743/

I guess there's at least some chance he could slip to 6, even if just 10% or so.
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Post#180 » by RT31 » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:44 pm

-This lack of experience shows up first and foremost on the defensive end, where Kanter was incredibly ineffective in the film we watched. His fundamentals, instincts and positioning leave a lot to be desired. He can often be found standing straight up in the paint with his arms down, putting in little to no effort. He rarely boxes out his opponent and generally looks disinterested in anything that has to do with defense. He rarely bends his knees and often fails to get back in transition--doing very little to protect the paint when he does.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... z1OhR0Z8QX
http://www.draftexpress.com


ack, defensive liability. I know a lot of people are really high on Kanter, and Ginvoy is reviewing grainy footage from 2-3 years ago. but this is worrisome for me. last thing we need is another defensive liability in the front court.

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