hands11 wrote:He looks like a less crazy version on Birdman with better handles. Kid already has a break your ankles cross over move.
omegatronic3 wrote:Veseley is an unknown but no way hes a 3. Hes definitely a 4. He doesnt look quite 6'11"
Itd be nice to know things like his vert and wing span. To me hes probably a Birdman type player...hopefully with a little more offensive potential.
Seriously, it's like there's an intentional politburo sponsored misinformation campaign going on here.
What I take it from this is that you guys haven't watched him actually play and are just projecting off of highlight reels. It's one thing to say a Thaddeus Young type presence at power forward, but Birdman is just not a comparison anyone's going to draw after watching any true game film. Why don't we just throw Shawn Kemp or Alonzo Mourning into the discussion? Would that be far enough off base or would Mark Price serve our purposes better?
New Now wrote:Vesely must play SF and not PF, in Partizan he never played in PF, I believe not even a minute although he came as PF.
That means that the last time he was playing power forward was in the youth leagues against Lichtenstein. Conversely, there's piles of game film of him guarding guys who've been 3's in the NBA. Here's a full game, for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvFhGRVx ... re=relatedNow, yes, he could potentially be at the 4, but if he does so, it's not going to be in the style of Birdman and there's nothing based on what he's done so far that tells us how how it works there. We're not really saying "well, he's been guarding much less effective power forwards and it'll be an adjustment, but...." Rather, we're really saying "well, while he's been guarding 6'7" 215 pound willow-wisps, how about trying something completely different with NBA power forwards?"
He's also not an actual unknown, just an unknown with us. He's played 120 games and almost 3,000 minutes over the last two years, so he's a rather thoroughly scouted player.
And a "break your ankles cross-over move"?
85.5% of Vesely’s offense came off of the ball (Spot-Ups, Post-Ups, Cuts, Transition, Offensive Rebounds), and there is a reason why, he’s not entirely comfortable with the ball in his hands. Just 2.8% of Vesely’s offense were isolation sets where he was forced to create for himself, and while it was a small sample size, you could see his sturggles. Vesely posted a PPP of 0.500 (bottom 9%) and shot just 18.2% in isolation, turning it over 14.3% of the time.
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/24/overs ... more-15298Ed Wood brings up more reasonable points, though he really hasn't been "sort of a small forward" in terms of matchups regardless of whether or not Gist is a tweener (and they had Lawrence Roberts in 2010, who's physical enough). Rather, he's been “exactly a small forward” in that everything he's been doing has been out on the wing. I'm inclined to think that he can match and, yes, even surpass Mike Miller's foot speed, in fact then being able to Czech 3's. That's not proven, but there's at least good footage to make the argument in that direction (he certainly has guarded fringe-quality NBA wings).
The question to me is if he'd go all Thornton shaped on us offensively at the 3. If he did, he'd probably do so in a different way as I'm not seeing an "I've got the jitters, so I'll go ahead and drive middle and put up a fifteen-footer" fetish. The key would be if he could hit the longball at about .30-32%. Basically, Ariza-like and in range of a scintillating 0.9 PPP. Inefficient, but not catastrophically so as that's what the Bucks shot for the whole game. He'd need to dump all other jumpers too. If he could do that, I'd be OK with it as you could run a system. Realistically that's what we're looking at with Singleton most likely as well and Vesley is far, far superior to Thornton in working off the ball. I'm not saying this is 10-scoops of yes flavored ice cream smothered in certitude sauce, but it's projectable and plausible.
Conversely, at the 4, I will say that I feel like he's a historically poor defensive rebounder and post defender against the big-boys, though I guess I'd have never signed off on Thaddeus at the 4 either. I've seen others mention that there were issues with what he was asked to do (box out and leak out), but having seen a bit more, I don't see how he has the capacity to meet power forward rebounding responsibilities on the defensive end as I believe he'd be totally overwhelmed physically. I just feel like if he had some native ability and was holding it back based on role, it'd have looked different. He just doesn't appear to have any particular intrinsic talent for defensive rebounding and I shudder to think of how that would work when he's muscling against guys that have 15-25 pounds on him.
Basically, I'm afraid that he's a bust for us at the 4. Just my opinion, but he looks like a big project there who'd need to go through a near total metamorphosis which gets him away from everything he's done to get drafted 6th. However, as noted, I'd have never agreed to the idea of playing Thaddeus at the 4 either, so maybe I'm biased on this one.
Thanks, I should know better and check this thread, over Wizards official page and twitter.
