Bradley Beal

GhostsOfGil · Post #161 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 1:54 pm

The Wizards have intimated that they would bring Beal along slowly next season, with Jordan Crawford the likely starter at shooting guard

- Mike Lee

TGW · Post #162 » by **TGW** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:20 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:
The Wizards have intimated that they would bring Beal along slowly next season, with Jordan Crawford the likely starter at shooting guard

- Mike Lee

Is anyone else remotely surprised? This team has continually rewarded players like Crawford and Blatche minutes, although their presence on the court has been detrimental to the chemistry of this team. I honestly can't see how Beal could be any worse on the court than Crawford...at least Beal wouldn't be shooting contested 3's with 22 seconds on the shot clock. Wall started despite the presence of Arenas and Hinrich when he was drafted, but Beal has to be "brought along slowly"... :roll:

Sigh...yet more incompetence by a 3rd rate organization.

Post #163 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:25 pm

TGW wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:
The Wizards have intimated that they would bring Beal along slowly next season, with Jordan Crawford the likely starter at shooting guard

- Mike Lee

Is anyone else remotely surprised? This team has continually rewarded players like Crawford and Blatche minutes, although their presence on the court has been detrimental to the chemistry of this team. I honestly can't see how Beal could be any worse on the court than Crawford...at least Beal wouldn't be shooting contested 3's with 22 seconds on the shot clock. Wall started despite the presence of Arenas and Hinrich when he was drafted, but Beal has to be "brought along slowly"...

Sigh...yet more incompetence by a 3rd rate organization.

Hilarious, damn if you do, damn if you don't. You throw Beal in the fire and he struggles, he's a bust, can't play, should have stayed in school. If you don't start him, the organization is incompetent or third rate. Beal is an 18 year old playing against grown men. I didn't expect him to start day 1.

TGW · Post #164 » by **TGW** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:39 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Hilarious, damn if you do, damn if you don't. You throw Beal in the fire and he struggles, he's a bust, can't play, should have stayed in school. If you don't start him, the organization is incompetent or third rate. Beal is an 18 year old playing against grown men. I didn't expect him to start day 1.

See, you're assuming that's how people would react...anyone with half-a-brain would know he's still a rookie, and it's inevitable that he struggles. Does that mean you don't start him, although he's your best option at that position by far?

With that logic, I guess the Redskins should start Rex Grossman over RGIII because RGIII is a rookie playing against grown man. Yet, if the Redskins were to do that, people would be in an uproar...well this is basically the same thing, yet people don't care because the Wizards fanbase are, in general, casual observers more than fans.

Post #165 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:50 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:
The Wizards have intimated that they would bring Beal along slowly next season, with Jordan Crawford the likely starter at shooting guard

- Mike Lee

I'm not worried. Crawford is the starter until Beal beats him out. That's the way it should be. That doesn't mean Beal won't beat him out in training camp and become the starter by the start of the season.

People get way too bent out of shape with this stuff.

verbal8 · Post #166 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:50 pm

I think a bit of bringing Beal along slowly is a good idea. He struggled a bit in the beginning of his college career and he needs to extend his shooting range to adjust to the NBA 3 pointer. I don't think it is terrible to have someone starting in front of him going in to the season. I wish it was a player who was better than Crawford, but I guess it is hard to spend assets on an area where you spent the 3rd pick on your future starter. I think there is a big need on the Wizards for a decent player who can play the 2 and 3.

Rafael122 wrote:Hilarious, damn if you do, damn if you don't. You throw Beal in the fire and he struggles, he's a bust, can't play, should have stayed in school. If you don't start him, the organization is incompetent or third rate. Beal is an 18 year old playing against grown men. I didn't expect him to start day 1.

Post #167 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:52 pm

TGW wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Hilarious, damn if you do, damn if you don't. You throw Beal in the fire and he struggles, he's a bust, can't play, should have stayed in school. If you don't start him, the organization is incompetent or third rate. Beal is an 18 year old playing against grown men. I didn't expect him to start day 1.

See, you're assuming that's how people would react...anyone with half-a-brain would know he's still a rookie, and it's inevitable that he struggles. Does that mean you don't start him, although he's your best option at that position by far?

With that logic, I guess the Redskins should start Rex Grossman over RGIII because RGIII is a rookie playing against grown man. Yet, if the Redskins were to do that, people would be in an uproar...well this is basically the same thing, yet people don't care because the Wizards fanbase are, in general, casual observers more than fans.

How is he our best option? He hasn't played a single NBA game yet.

verbal8 · Post #168 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:58 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not worried. Crawford is the starter until Beal beats him out. That's the way it should be. That doesn't mean Beal won't beat him out in training camp and become the starter by the start of the season.

People get way too bent out of shape with this stuff.

I think RG3 is a bit of an exception, but in general not doing this has been issue with the Redskins. The high-priced free agent acquisition was handed a starting spot, rather than attempting to develop talent in house.

Post #169 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:00 pm

If Beal isn't starting by the end of the year, there's a problem.

GhostsOfGil · Post #170 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:07 pm

I think in hindsight, management regrets the way Wall was thrown into the fire during his rookie season.

After hearing about Beal's adjustment period in Florida, I have no quarrel with Beal coming off the bench. My only concern is Wall may struggle early if forced to share heavy minutes with JC.

Maybe this is a moot point. Its possible we see Beal backing up Courtney Lee with JC pushed to the end of the bench. Best of both worlds!

Hoopalotta · Post #171 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:20 pm

Beal coming along slowly behind a veteran = Good
Said veteran being Jordan Crawford = Not good

DCZards · Post #172 » by **DCZards** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:24 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Hilarious, damn if you do, damn if you don't. You throw Beal in the fire and he struggles, he's a bust, can't play, should have stayed in school. If you don't start him, the organization is incompetent or third rate. Beal is an 18 year old playing against grown men. I didn't expect him to start day 1.

+1

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #173 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:38 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:Beal coming along slowly behind a veteran = Good
Said veteran being Jordan Crawford = Not good

+1

Ray Allen (pipe dream) would have been a great veteran mentor.

Kevin Martin, whose contract expires this season, seems like the next best fit.

dobrojim · Post #174 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:03 pm

Rafael122 wrote:If Beal isn't starting by the end of the year, there's a problem.

there are other possibilities that fit that description that would be quite good.

ie.
Beal is successful and Craw comes back as a player with much better discretion
on the shots he takes.

I'm not saying I expect this but I don't think it's right to assume Beal is the
starter by the end of the year. If it does happen, I hope that means that
would be a good thing but if Craw got injured and Beal was forced to start
even before his play merited that, then it would NOT be a good thing.

verbal8 · Post #175 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 4:33 pm

dobrojim wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:If Beal isn't starting by the end of the year, there's a problem.

there are other possibilities that fit that description that would be quite good.

ie.
Beal is successful and Craw comes back as a player with much better discretion
on the shots he takes.

I'm not saying I expect this but I don't think it's right to assume Beal is the
starter by the end of the year. If it does happen, I hope that means that
would be a good thing but if Craw got injured and Beal was forced to start
even before his play merited that, then it would NOT be a good thing.

I think Ben and Eric Gordon, provide a bit of a floor/ceiling projection for Brad Beal. It is interesting that they both had PERs around 15 with usage around 20%, so in other words very average players as rookies. I think Jordan Crawford has the ability to be an above average player, so IF he reaches his has better discretion and reaches his potential he could conceivably fend off Beal for a season or two.

I think Beal like Harden(or Ginobili) has the ability to contribute as a 6th man without being upset about not starting.

Post #176 » by **montestewart** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:11 pm

The problem with these models is that the Wizards biggest problem is a shortage of high % outside shooting, and the only thing the team's done about it is to draft Beal. If he's coming off the bench, that means Wall wil still be starting surrounded by undependable shooters. And yeah, Beal hasn't proven yet that he's dependable, but still...

TGW · Post #177 » by **TGW** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:41 pm

If I were in charge, I'd simply have an open competition for the spot instead of handing the job over to Crawford, and then telling Beal to beat him for it. As a matter of fact, the only two guys I would pencil in as starters is Wall at PG and Nene at PF/C. If Beal, Singleton, Book, Ves and Seraphin are kicking Ariza, Okafor, and Crawford's ass in practice, I see no reason why they (meaning the younger guys) shouldn't get to start and play the majority of the minutes. I don't care about vets, experience, salary, who got traded for, etc...the best 5 guys should start and play the most minutes period. Simply handing spots to mediocre players is stupid and yet another example of a continuing losing mentality.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #178 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:58 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:Beal coming along slowly behind a veteran = Good
Said veteran being Jordan Crawford = Not good

I concur, he should be good enough to beat Crawford for the starting spot. Don't want him learning any of Crawfords bad habits

Post #179 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:04 pm

TGW wrote:If I were in charge, I'd simply have an open competition for the spot instead of handing the job over to Crawford, and then telling Beal to beat him for it. As a matter of fact, the only two guys I would pencil in as starters is Wall at PG and Nene at PF/C. If Beal, Singleton, Book, Ves and Seraphin are kicking Ariza, Okafor, and Crawford's ass in practice, I see no reason why they (meaning the younger guys) shouldn't get to start and play the majority of the minutes. I don't care about vets, experience, salary, who got traded for, etc...the best 5 guys should start and play the most minutes period. Simply handing spots to mediocre players is stupid and yet another example of a continuing losing mentality.

My guess is that this IS the case. Michael Lee said that the Wizards intimated that Crawford would start. The Wizards might merely have said something like, "Crawford was the starter last season and will remain the starter unless Beal beats him out." I don't have a problem with that statement.

fishercob · Post #180 » by **fishercob** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:58 pm

Someone mentioned Mitch Richmond, not too long ago and you see a lot of potential stylistic similarities in this video. Nice trip down memory land and worth a watch. Mitch went to six straight all-star games and is a borderline hall of famer. He also entered the NBA at 23. I am excited for the Wall-Beal backcourt for years to come.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuXs8KMFJ58[/youtube]