11/13/12 -- Wizards @ Bobcats, 7P EST

[truwizfan4evr]

Wizards wont make playoff we will win enough games to secure us out the top 5 draft pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Don't be too disappointed with this game.

I tried to tell EVERYONE, Charlotte is a whole lot better this season. Not a little better. A LOT better.

I saw if after there first game when Kemba played so well I knew they had a different team.

As much of a difference maker Kemba is, Brendan Haywood as a defensive anchor and MKG on the wing make them that much better defensively.

The injury to Gerald Henderson allowed Rich Cho and MJ's second draft pick to shine, too. Jeffrey Taylor is a hell of a defender. Beal went 1-11 tonight.

Charlotte is way better. Why? In addition to having Walker, Gordon, and Kidd-Gilchrist all being on NCAA championship teams, Coach Mike Dunlap coached two NCAA D-II championship teams at Metro State. They built their team wisely and methodically. Just the opposite of Ted and Ernie's plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Dunlap

The Bobcats' success is no accident.

People like Ted Leonsis and Ernie can yuck it up but they better recognize they're not in the kiddie pool or the shallow water at the YMCA. They're swimming among sharks out on the Great Barrier Reef. And their blood is in the water.

[FAH1223]

Hands, why are you always optimistic with this team man?

[Dat2U]

Why do I ever argue with Dat2U? He is always right about this stuff. The Wizards have one of the worst offensive lineups ever assembled. They can't score in the half court without Nene, and they can't get into a running game without Wall.

Anytime they break 80 points, it's a friggin miracle.

Thanks, but boy do I wish I could be wrong about this franchise. I feel my inner CCJ coming out the more I talk about the Wizards lately. Let me run the damn team. We'd be a contender in 2 years or less.

[queridiculo]

hands11 is the messageboard manifestation of EGs **** up basketball psyche.

[Floater]

Even the Timberwolves without their main guys and even the damn Magic can win with nobodies.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think I'd be no more than 2-5 wins better than you, Dat. You would be right about some guys I didn't see coming, for sure. You would have more athletes, I'd have more shooters and specialists.

IMO they can (routinely) break 80 with this team, but they aren't playing the right combinations.

[Halcyon]

I think I'm going to skip watching the next few games, what a miserable experience. I can't believe I watched the entire game

[montestewart]

Ed Tapscott is doing a wonderful job as Director of Player Develepmont

MTK, skip the green font. Anyone that doesn't get it, never will.

I forgot Tapscott was on the payroll. It's like a haunted house, a new shock around every corner.

[montestewart]

I think I'm going to skip watching the next few games, what a miserable experience. I can't believe I watched the entire game

I can't believe my wife watched almost the whole game. Lots of sighing.

[hands11]

Hands, why are you always optimistic with this team man?

Lol. I'm just an optimist. What good is it to be a pessimist.

Not like how we feel makes any difference. Why would I want to be down. What good does that do ?

When it gets so bad I can't take it. I just laugh. When its good. I cheer. When it looks like it looking better I cheer.

So since I am an optimist. Here is what I liked.

Trevor A is balling a lot more then we expected.
The first half, they actually moved the ball really well. They got great looks. Just no one hit.
Crawford got to play some PG. I hope this loss and Price sucking ass was the last straw. I want them to go get Livingston. Cut Pargo. Price can back up Crawford and Livingston.

Wall will be back soon. This team is build to compliment Wall and Nene. Not play without them.

I will look forward to seeing adjustments. If not, I will start to lose faith in Randy. He has not coached well the last two games. He is waiting way to long to adjust. I'm a Randy fan but that can change.

So Ted is up to bat. Make the Livingston move. Its an easy one. So do it.
Randy is at the plate. Change the starting PG to Crawford. That is what I wanted from the start.

Beal will not play this bad consistently. At least he keep shooting. He just wasn't hitting. What I don't want to keep watching is Price jacking shots. Price is not a leader. He has no Crawford swag.

Thats my optimistic view.

[payitforward]

They didn't win as much as the Wizards lost.

Beal 1-11
Price 2-12
Kevin...3 games of suckness

They had plenty of open looks.

Can we go get Livingston now. Cut Pargo. Start Crawford at PG.
Let Livingston back him up.
...

Bahhh. If the Wiz could hit an open shot, they would have won. Had it down to 7 late in the game. Charlotte was hardly a beast. They shot 39% and 23% from 3 vs 29.8% and 16.1%

Its was suck and suck worse.

Hmmm, actually that's how your posts come off. It's beyond me how you can imagine this kind of thing has any credibility. Whatever.

This is a terrible, terrible team. Just awful. There isn't a team in the league with as low a level of talent as the Wizards. And every one of those bad players is there because our GM chose to bring him in. That's the reality.

And pretty much every one of those decisions was one you agreed with and defended. Congratulations, you have what you want.

"Had it down to 7 late in the game." -- wow, what an achievement.

[queridiculo]

There's a marked difference between being an optimist and being delusional.

[FreeBalling]

WOW, this game was hard to watch.

The magic numbe is going to be 7, I think Randy might be looking for a new job.

"Seven chipmunks twirling on a branch, eating lots of sunflowers on my uncles ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea!"

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I dont see a regression. I see a coach not utilizing him. I see guards freezing him out. I see a team that struggles to score, not using their best offensive option.

The same is true for Vesely. "Regression" is what happens when two or three veterans are signed who play the same position as a young player. That player will be benched, played out of position, or given a quick hook as a scapegoat whenever possible; because management has forced the coach's hand with the roster.

Most of us saw this coming in July, with the OkAriza deal.

I respectfully disagree with you on Vesely. Wittman would play him more minutes if he wasn't a complete self-check on offense and a weak man to man defender. He was a TERRIBLE pick. We should not be playing bad players till they get good, that's if we want to be watchable. I don't see other teams feeding ineffective draft picks heavy mins to develop; that's what the D-league is for.

But, he's European. Ted and Ernie were probably thrilled to pick him at #6 and Satoransky at #32.

(Ted was likely elated to pick Oleksiy Pecherov at #18, way back when I mentioned there's a guy named Millsap who was better than #5 Shelden Williams or Alex Johnson or Stewie Pecherov).

Vesely definitely looked to be a self-check pre-draft, with his sub-50% FT shooting. I recall he played SF with James Gist as the star of the team at PF. That made me wonder, but I don't know Euro scouting too well. What I see of Pecherov is he contributes mightily in an uptempo game because he can dive and he's willing to do all the dirty work. The problem with him defensively is he's too light in the cakes at C and he's too slow laterally at SF most nights. The Wizards won't utilize his mismatches at either position on offense. Ves should be beating Cs down court and he should be going over the top of shorter defenders.

I think his biggest problem is that his role is very tenuous with the Wizards due to Booker at PF and Singleton playing PF. Vesely plays C now, almost exclusively. When he's at PF, he's next to another self check, Okafor.

The real problem with Vesely is the lousy FT shooting. If he plays next to Kevin, that works IF Kevin passes out of double teams quickly, and if Jan hits FTs. Neither is happening. Mainly, the dumb Wizards have Okafor playing and Vesely also at C, and even Booker.

Wow, I'm tired. Sorry, DANNYLANDOVER, I don't disagree with you on Vesely BTW. Terrible pick, but he's better than this IMO.

[llcc25]

Hands, you forgot throw in something nice about Vesley tonight...Here is his line:

10 minutes, 0-0 fg,, 0-4 fts, 2 rbs, blks, 0 assts, 3 pf, +8

On the bright side, he had the highest +/- for th Wiz.

[hands11]

Ok. my positive for Ves tonight is this. He has a pretty cute girl friend. That'w all I got for him tonight.
The 0-4 clanking at the line was embarrassing. I can excuse a lot. That I can't. Its a FT. At least make 1-4 or 2-4.

You guys are obviously upset.

Maybe it time for a time out. Just don't watch them until you see some wins.

As for me supporting all these move. That is total BS. I would have done thing very different.
Don't confuse me saying what they said they would do and why and what I expected, with what I would have done.

I posted the line up they would have now if they followed what I wanted as picks in the roster thread.
But that doesn't really matter. They have what they have.

[GhostsOfGil]

Fire ernie chant. lets get it started.

Ji and I have been chanting that for years...welcome to the bandwagon

This bandwagon better have a big back seat..

[Ed Wood]

And I can't help but feel for Witt because he will invariably become another august member of the fraternity of ex-Wizards skippers who will never be given the opportunity to work in the same capacity again, because of their time in Washington. Of course the same will be true of Ernie at some point, and he'll have been the architect of his fate. So cheers to that, whenever it happens (feel free, any time you'd like).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why does Cartier Martin play so infrequently? Maybe it isn't saying much, but he's got about the best shot on the team. It's raining bricks game in and game out so why not play Martin more often? How could he do any worse?

Whoever forced Ariza onto the lineup at SF made it so, IMO, Spence. I cannot believe that was Randy Wittman's first choice. I think he is playing the hand he was dealt.

Why isn't Cartier playing much, particularly against a team like Charlotte? Have the Wizards' coaching staff forgotten the last two regular season games against Charlotte before this one? I haven't.

April 9, 2012
http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 90CHA.html
April 23, 2012
http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 30WAS.html

Two times the Wizards played Charlotte. Two times Washington won by 28 points. Both times Cartier Martin finished +23.

The rosters are different but the Bobcats acquired Haywood for a lot less than what Emeka Okafor is making. Ariza isn't a world beater. Martin is glued to the bench.

In one of the games last season, Jan Vesely was 8-8 against Charlotte last season.

Ted and Ernie really blew it.