Otto Porter

[mohammed10]

Been a way for a while....interesting that when I come back, the Glen RIce Jr thread is longer than the Otto Porter thread...

That's mainly because we talked Otto Porter to death. Everything that can be said about him has already been said in the Draft Thread.

Got it...thanks, nate

[Wizardspride]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/11 ... conference

The other interesting element of Grunfeld's press conference was when he discussed Otto Porter. As usual, Grunfeld was lauding the versatility of the team, but he took a bold stance in saying that Porter could play not one, not two, but three positions.

"Otto's versatility, we've spoken about it a lot, but he's playing some two guard also," Grunfeld said in the press conference. "We didn't know he had that ability, bringing the ball up and making some plays."

[Rafael122]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/11/4515724/ernie-grunfeld-washington-wizards-press-conference

The other interesting element of Grunfeld's press conference was when he discussed Otto Porter. As usual, Grunfeld was lauding the versatility of the team, but he took a bold stance in saying that Porter could play not one, not two, but three positions.

"Otto's versatility, we've spoken about it a lot, but he's playing some two guard also," Grunfeld said in the press conference. "We didn't know he had that ability, bringing the ball up and making some plays."

Uh what? Georgetown's offense loves big men who can play some point forward. The offense thrives on guys who can handle the ball and make that bounce pass to the cutting man. How Grunfeld didn't know this or see this when scouting Porter is beyond me so it shouldn't come across as a complete shock that Porter can do some of this.

[DCZards]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/11/4515724/ernie-grunfeld-washington-wizards-press-conference

The other interesting element of Grunfeld's press conference was when he discussed Otto Porter. As usual, Grunfeld was lauding the versatility of the team, but he took a bold stance in saying that Porter could play not one, not two, but three positions.

"Otto's versatility, we've spoken about it a lot, but he's playing some two guard also," Grunfeld said in the press conference. "We didn't know he had that ability, bringing the ball up and making some plays."

Uh what? Georgetown's offense loves big men who can play some point forward. The offense thrives on guys who can handle the ball and make that bounce pass to the cutting man. How Grunfeld didn't know this or see this when scouting Porter is beyond me so it shouldn't come across as a complete shock that Porter can do some of this.

Yup, recent GTown big men like Green, Hibbert, Monroe and Simms were very good passers and facilitators in the GTown offense, but they didn't bring the ball up like Porter apparently can, which Is the main point that is being made.

[Rafael122]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/11/4515724/ernie-grunfeld-washington-wizards-press-conference

Uh what? Georgetown's offense loves big men who can play some point forward. The offense thrives on guys who can handle the ball and make that bounce pass to the cutting man. How Grunfeld didn't know this or see this when scouting Porter is beyond me so it shouldn't come across as a complete shock that Porter can do some of this.

Yup, recent GTown big men like Green, Hibbert, Monroe and Simms were very good passers and facilitators in the GTown offense, but they didn't bring the ball up like Porter apparently can, which Is the main point that is being made.

BTW, could be another case of how Georgetown's offense hides some of their players talents.

[dckingsfan]

Just a matter of time until he breaks this list?

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

[sipndip]

Uh what? Georgetown's offense loves big men who can play some point forward. The offense thrives on guys who can handle the ball and make that bounce pass to the cutting man. How Grunfeld didn't know this or see this when scouting Porter is beyond me so it shouldn't come across as a complete shock that Porter can do some of this.

Yup, recent GTown big men like Green, Hibbert, Monroe and Simms were very good passers and facilitators in the GTown offense, but they didn't bring the ball up like Porter apparently can, which Is the main point that is being made.

BTW, could be another case of how Georgetown's offense hides some of their players talents.

Georgetown's system does not hide players' talents; otherwise how did Porter go third in the draft? Green and Monroe went in the lottery. Hibbert went in the first round. What Georgetown's system does, however, is depress counting stats like points per game because of the slow pace. Enough people understand this that I don't think it hurts Georgetown players. Hibbert was the main case of a Georgetown player being undervalued, but he was basically as raw as it comes when he started at Georgetown, and still had a lot of his development curve ahead of him coming into the League.

[dangermouse]

Watching him now, finally. There is NO WAY he is a PF or ever will be. Even if he bulks up. I'd rather we "experimented" with him at SG, to help his handle. Playing him at PF even as experimentation is just a waste of everybodies time

[The Consiglieri]

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/07/of- ... more-30479

interesting article from truth about it, more or less hitting on my major fears and why I was anti-porter.

[jivelikenice]

Article loses any credence when it calls MKG a better prospect because of his athleticism. MKG ranked 25th in ATCR at the combine; hardly elite. The article lists shooting as a weakness for both. MKG's shot is BROKEN. Otto has a good midrange game and his ability to shoot the NBA three is TBD. We have a season's worth of film on MKG and TWO SUMMER LEGUE Games on Otto. Everyone acknowledges its ridiculous to judge a prospect based on two SL games but continue to do so.

[stevemcqueen1]

Article loses any credence when it calls MKG a better prospect because of his athleticism. MKG ranked 25th in ATCR at the combine; hardly elite. The article lists shooting as a weakness for both. MKG's shot is BROKEN. Otto has a good midrange game and his ability to shoot the NBA three is TBD. We have a season's worth of film on MKG and TWO SUMMER LEGUE Games on Otto. Everyone acknowledges its ridiculous to judge a prospect based on two SL games but continue to do so.

Because you've got to write something. This is why the offseason isn't much fun.

[The Consiglieri]

Article loses any credence when it calls MKG a better prospect because of his athleticism. MKG ranked 25th in ATCR at the combine; hardly elite. The article lists shooting as a weakness for both. MKG's shot is BROKEN. Otto has a good midrange game and his ability to shoot the NBA three is TBD. We have a season's worth of film on MKG and TWO SUMMER LEGUE Games on Otto. Everyone acknowledges its ridiculous to judge a prospect based on two SL games but continue to do so.

MKG is a better prospect. Whether he fades into the dust w/time, having never even remotely fixed his shot is open to question, but there's not a scout on the planet who would have rated Porter close to MKG if they were in the same draft, period. AND MKG is definitely a better athlete to boot, by FAR.

We'll see what happens w/time, but MKG was rated inside the top 3-7 by the scouts, GM's, and recruiters in '11 and inside the top 3 in '12. Porter was nowhere near him, not even close. MKG was ranked 2nd/3rd overall out of the '11 class by draft day, if Porter had gone in the '12 draft he wouldn't have cracked the top 10, let alone top 3.

Early returns are mediocre at best on MKG due, like you say, to his shot. We'll see what happens as the team improves around him. The shot is definitely a huge problem for him, but he's also limited by the surrounding talent (worst in the league last year), and the lack of legit and reliable PG play. He still needs to fix that shot, but then again your belief in Porter is in part, completely related to your belief that his 3 point game is all about '12-'13, and we should just delete our DVR'd Hoyas games from '11-'12 when he was awful from 3.

Needless to say, the writer doesn't lose any credibility at all in referencing MKG as he does. For whatever reason, you seem to have taken one season from MKG on the worst team in the NBA, and written off everything about MKG's past (high school and at Kentucky) that placed him in such high esteem, while focusing entirely on Porter's sophomore year at Georgetown, and ignoring his freshman year issues. Interesting on all manner of levels.

The ugly truth here is that Charlotte may have made a mistake with MKG if he can never improve that jumper as he'll be a permanently limited player, and Washington may have made an even worse mistake in drafting a player who may never be even good enough to be able to compete against legit starters due to his lack of athleticism, unproven 3 point shot, and difficulty in finishing.

Both players have major concerns, the problem for me is that it's much easier to work on someone's shooting mechanics, than to change a players genetic physical make up.

[jivelikenice]

I haven't totally written off MKG, but when you say compare one guy who has TWO summer league games versus another guy who has 78 games of regular season experience to go along with two stints in SL (rookie year was limited) and preseason action, its a ridiculous comparions to make. And to say that Otto's shot is an equal question mark based on a microscopic sample size versus MKG's sizeable sample size is also a mistake.

In terms of athleticism, MKG has Otto in weight, sprinting, and non-step vertical. Otto has him beat in max vertical, bench, and lane agility. MKG ranked 25th in ATCR amongst his draft class and Otto ranked 36th. Neither excelled.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Michael Jordan went and got some great teammates for MKG. Zeller and Al Jefferson are going to put points on the board. MKG can focus more on defense and rebounding. He's not going to be paired with Biyombo a whole bunch any more. Neither of those guys could score outside. Zeller also is a really good athlete for a big man. I think MKG is going to have a much easier time this year.

Otto will be a good fit next to Beal and Wall, but it might take him over a year or two for his body to get stronger to the point he can play physical ball at an NBA level. I would put MKG way ahead of Otto at this point, physically. Otto is way ahead in terms of point forward skills. Otto also looks to me like he's going to have a smooth midrange game, eventually.

[The Consiglieri]

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/07/a-f ... ation.html


Interesting follow up piece by another writer on the idea that Porter was anything but ready, and anything but "safe".

I so hope I'm wrong about him, because if Im not, this is the final nail in the coffin unless there are catastrophic injuries and failures that lead to a high draft pick in next year's mega draft.

[Kanyewest]

Article loses any credence when it calls MKG a better prospect because of his athleticism. MKG ranked 25th in ATCR at the combine; hardly elite. The article lists shooting as a weakness for both. MKG's shot is BROKEN. Otto has a good midrange game and his ability to shoot the NBA three is TBD. We have a season's worth of film on MKG and TWO SUMMER LEGUE Games on Otto. Everyone acknowledges its ridiculous to judge a prospect based on two SL games but continue to do so.

MKG is a better prospect. Whether he fades into the dust w/time, having never even remotely fixed his shot is open to question, but there's not a scout on the planet who would have rated Porter close to MKG if they were in the same draft, period. AND MKG is definitely a better athlete to boot, by FAR.

We'll see what happens w/time, but MKG was rated inside the top 3-7 by the scouts, GM's, and recruiters in '11 and inside the top 3 in '12. Porter was nowhere near him, not even close. MKG was ranked 2nd/3rd overall out of the '11 class by draft day, if Porter had gone in the '12 draft he wouldn't have cracked the top 10, let alone top 3.

Early returns are mediocre at best on MKG due, like you say, to his shot. We'll see what happens as the team improves around him. The shot is definitely a huge problem for him, but he's also limited by the surrounding talent (worst in the league last year), and the lack of legit and reliable PG play. He still needs to fix that shot, but then again your belief in Porter is in part, completely related to your belief that his 3 point game is all about '12-'13, and we should just delete our DVR'd Hoyas games from '11-'12 when he was awful from 3.

Needless to say, the writer doesn't lose any credibility at all in referencing MKG as he does. For whatever reason, you seem to have taken one season from MKG on the worst team in the NBA, and written off everything about MKG's past (high school and at Kentucky) that placed him in such high esteem, while focusing entirely on Porter's sophomore year at Georgetown, and ignoring his freshman year issues. Interesting on all manner of levels.

The ugly truth here is that Charlotte may have made a mistake with MKG if he can never improve that jumper as he'll be a permanently limited player, and Washington may have made an even worse mistake in drafting a player who may never be even good enough to be able to compete against legit starters due to his lack of athleticism, unproven 3 point shot, and difficulty in finishing.

Both players have major concerns, the problem for me is that it's much easier to work on someone's shooting mechanics, than to change a players genetic physical make up.

I wonder how people would view MKG if he played at Georgetown vs. if Otto Porter had played with Anthony Davis at Kentucky. Porter might be a better fit long term next to John Wall if he can knock down open jumpers.

[hands11]

I think Michael Jordan went and got some great teammates for MKG. Zeller and Al Jefferson are going to put points on the board. MKG can focus more on defense and rebounding. He's not going to be paired with Biyombo a whole bunch any more. Neither of those guys could score outside. Zeller also is a really good athlete for a big man. I think MKG is going to have a much easier time this year.

Otto will be a good fit next to Beal and Wall, but it might take him over a year or two for his body to get stronger to the point he can play physical ball at an NBA level. I would put MKG way ahead of Otto at this point, physically. Otto is way ahead in terms of point forward skills. Otto also looks to me like he's going to have a smooth midrange game, eventually.

Think MKG in his 3rd NBA season. That's the window to target. He will be a Faried type energy player but more nimble vs Faried being more powerful. In time, he will fix his shot. A little more each year. He just has to keep working on his game. Like all young players do. Everyone has wholes in their game.

[hands11]

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/07/a-further-look-at-otto-porters-summer-league-performance-and-athletic-reputation.html


Interesting follow up piece by another writer on the idea that Porter was anything but ready, and anything but "safe".

I so hope I'm wrong about him, because if Im not, this is the final nail in the coffin unless there are catastrophic injuries and failures that lead to a high draft pick in next year's mega draft.

Last nail meaning what ?

We have our two studs high picks in Wall and Beal. There are players to be had in every draft to help fill out a team. Some drafts are deeper then others. Otto working out or not isn't really all that important. Just another swing from the plate. Would it be great if he does work out. Hell yeah. Will it crush the franchise if he doesn't.. NOPE.

Me, I would have chosen differently but it is what it is. As for Otto, he will figure it out. He has skills and he is a driven smart person. He will find a way to be useful on the floor. I'm just not expecting a lot from him this year. They would have gotten more first year production from other players.

The next difference maker other then Wall, Beal, Trevor A/Webster, Nene and Okafor is likely going to be added as a FA or via trade.

Other then that, there will be more drafts. There will be players to make it as solid contributor and even some starters that are picked 15th and later.. even in this draft.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

Porter is giving me a really Jan Vesely type vibe. I hope I'm wrong!

[ChiTownLegend85]

Hello everyone, just curious, what do you guys think Porter's future stats look like in 4 years? (I'm doing a Build Your Own Team draft for the next five years, and I picked Otto Porter )

Maybe...

16.5 pts 46% FG, 1.5 3pt made, .378 3pt FG%
3.8 ast
6.5rbs
1.5stl

Does this look pretty realistic?