The Next Coach (SCOTT BROOKS HIRED pg.13)

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My gut feel is that Hornacek is a better coach than Brooks. I just don't know enough about the nature of the Hornacek/Morris relationship to know whether signing him is a good idea. I guess if this tweet is right and Hornacek is actually on the Wizards' short list (rather than just being mere speculation) then it stands to reason that Hornacek and Morris get along okay.

Wasn't there some report that said before the Wizards traded for Kieff, they asked Hornacek about him and that Hornacek vouched for him?

[gambitx777]

The track record of superstar players as head coaches is pretty poor. Most superstar players are so innately talented physically, and/or have such an instinctive understanding of the game, that they just can't relate to other players who don't have those gifts.

How many great players became good coaches? I can only think of Larry Bird. And Bird always seemed to be more of a hands off administrator who delegated a lot of the work to his assistant coaches. (And if I recall correctly, the great Rick Carlisle was one of those assistants.)

Magic sucked as a coach. Isiah sucked. Elgin Baylor sucked. Wes Unseld and Kevin McHale were both mediocre, but at least they weren't terrible.

Idk Jason Kidd has been pretty good so far. I could see Paul Pierce being a good coach.

Good one. Kidd is at least in the "mediocre" category alongside Unseld and McHale, and perhaps a bit better. Interestingly, Kidd as a player was much like Bird in that he seemed to succeed more due to his mental understanding or the game and his work ethic rather than due to amazing physical gifts. I don't think Patrick Ewing fits that mold. Physically, he was about as gifted as they come yet never quite lived up to the standards of similar gifted big men from his era (Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, healthy Zo).

Yeah but he has been a great assistant in the NBA and gets a long great with players. He seems to have a good mind set about him, just read what he says in interviews. He is not a big man couch he seems to have a great mind for the game and I would love to see him get his chance ! I don't think it's fair to say OH he was a star he's going to suck, he seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

[stevemcqueen1]

It's pretty crazy that the likes of Derek Fisher got a HC gig waaaaay before Ewing. Ewing deserves a gig somewhere.

[nate33]

You know what I read this and I am sold on Patrick Ewing! let's go!
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4701819-patrick-ewing-head-coach-hornets-knicks-rockets-wizards

The track record of superstar players as head coaches is pretty poor. Most superstar players are so innately talented physically, and/or have such an instinctive understanding of the game, that they just can't relate to other players who don't have those gifts.

How many great players became good coaches? I can only think of Larry Bird. And Bird always seemed to be more of a hands off administrator who delegated a lot of the work to his assistant coaches. (And if I recall correctly, the great Rick Carlisle was one of those assistants.)

Magic sucked as a coach. Isiah sucked. Elgin Baylor sucked. Wes Unseld and Kevin McHale were both mediocre, but at least they weren't terrible.

The one issue I have with this trope is that most superstars get head coaching gigs with little/no coaching experience. They parlay their name and/or connection with their franchise to the top gig. Magic's HC gig was his first coaching gig. Ditto for McHale (who came from the front office). Ditto for Bird. Ditto for Unseld. Ditto for Kidd.

Ewing is one of the only legit superstars I can think of who's been willing to toil as an assistant coach for over a decade. The guy is arguably *three rungs* lower on the org chart than one of his chief rivals during his playing days. That takes humility -- a rare trait amongst superstars.

I don't know if Ewing will end up being a good HC or not. But I think his coaching experience should distinguish him from the guys who got HC gigs on glamor alone.

Good point.

[CobraCommander]

The track record of superstar players as head coaches is pretty poor. Most superstar players are so innately talented physically, and/or have such an instinctive understanding of the game, that they just can't relate to other players who don't have those gifts.

How many great players became good coaches? I can only think of Larry Bird. And Bird always seemed to be more of a hands off administrator who delegated a lot of the work to his assistant coaches. (And if I recall correctly, the great Rick Carlisle was one of those assistants.)

Magic sucked as a coach. Isiah sucked. Elgin Baylor sucked. Wes Unseld and Kevin McHale were both mediocre, but at least they weren't terrible.

The one issue I have with this trope is that most superstars get head coaching gigs with little/no coaching experience. They parlay their name and/or connection with their franchise to the top gig. Magic's HC gig was his first coaching gig. Ditto for McHale (who came from the front office). Ditto for Bird. Ditto for Unseld. Ditto for Kidd.

Ewing is one of the only legit superstars I can think of who's been willing to toil as an assistant coach for over a decade. The guy is arguably *three rungs* lower on the org chart than one of his chief rivals during his playing days. That takes humility -- a rare trait amongst superstars.

I don't know if Ewing will end up being a good HC or not. But I think his coaching experience should distinguish him from the guys who got HC gigs on glamor alone.

Good point.

Picking a coach with no HC experience is a guessing game. You could be hiring Joe Gibbs or Brad Stevens....but more than likely you getting Fisher. I don't envy Erine if he doesn't get Thibs...because almost anyone else could cost him his job at the half way point through next year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Looking at the candidates Sacramento is set to interview... we could do a LOT worse than Scott Brooks.

[gambitx777]

I would be over the moon if we gave Ewing a shot! I kind of hope that Brooks goes somewhere else and Thibbs gets the Minisota job.

[Tricky_Kid]

Looking at the candidates Sacramento is set to interview... we could do a LOT worse than Scott Brooks.

Can You tell me who they have?

Just wanted to let you guys know if you get Brooks, he's a solid coach. Here was my quote from a Wiz fan who asked on reddit:

Are therein lies the problem. We have no offensive talent!!! Our "shooting guard" can't shoot a lick inside the 3pt line.

That could be an issue. Though as someone else said if you bring in an offensive assistant it could work really well.

Robinson was better than Ewing by quite a large margin. Don't have time to delve into it today, but Robinson is one of the more underrated players in basketball history.

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Looks like Thibs is off the board.

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[ozthegap]

Looks like Thibs is off the board.

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Good. He runs players into the ground. And got out coached in the playoffs by Whitman and Coach Lebron.

[ozthegap]

Looking at the candidates Sacramento is set to interview... we could do a LOT worse than Scott Brooks.

They are interviewing Walton after the first round!!

He would be dumb to take it. No matter how much money they offer him, coaches are hired to be fired. If he wants his career to be solid he needs to not start out with that team.

[Kanyewest]

Robinson was better than Ewing by quite a large margin. Don't have time to delve into it today, but Robinson is one of the more underrated players in basketball history.

Statistically, Robinson is more efficient but then you also have to look at the fact that Robinson did play a large portion of his career with superior teammates than Ewing. I'm not sure Robinson finds himself with a ring either with Ewing.

At the end of the day though, Robinson might have better numbers but given that both are top 50 NBA players I don't think the margin is "quite large".

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Jeff Van Gundy was fired by the Rockets back in 2007 by Daryl Morey so that would be kind of strange if the Rockets hired him again.

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$10M per? Oof.

I guess that's kind of in-line with the other HC/GMs in the league. Doc & Pop are making $10M+/year; Stan Van is making $7M. OTOH, the only "HC-only" guy making $7M or more per year is Carlisle.

http://www.otherleague.com/contracts/nba-head-coach-contracts-salaries/

I wonder what we'll offer to Brooks -- especially with the Rockets looming as a potential suitor. I'm guessing that EG will offer (and Brooks will accept) a $6M/year deal.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Robinson was better than Ewing by quite a large margin. Don't have time to delve into it today, but Robinson is one of the more underrated players in basketball history.

Statistically, Robinson is more efficient but then you also have to look at the fact that Robinson did play a large portion of his career with superior teammates than Ewing. I'm not sure Robinson finds himself with a ring either with Ewing.

At the end of the day though, Robinson might have better numbers but given that both are top 50 NBA players I don't think the margin is "quite large".

This is coming from a HUGE Ewing fan. I loved watching him at Georgetown. Loved watching him throughout his NBA career. He played hard and worked hard. I admired his game, his work ethic, and the person. I got to know him a little when he was an assistant with the Wizards and found him to be a really good guy.

So, that said: More efficient is better. Robinson's worst pre-injury offensive efficiency was about the same as Ewing's BEST. Even post-injury, Robinson was almost as efficient as Ewing's career best efficiency.

The supporting cast issue is one I can look at in a couple weeks when I have more time. I'd be surprised if there was much difference between the two -- until Robinson got Duncan, of course.

But, the difference is quite large.

Career PPA -- Robinson 231; Ewing 155.

Ewing's peak PPA was 198. Robinson: 263. Not counting the season where he hurt his back, Robinson had 10 seasons that rated better than Ewing's best, and two more seasons that rated better than Ewing's second best. In all, Ewing had 13 seasons that rated as less productive per 100 team possessions than Robinson's worst season.

Much as I respect and admire Ewing, there was a significant distance between Robinson and him. I haven't done any analysis on top 50 all-time type stuff. Robinson surely belongs. Not sure on Ewing. He was a very good player before age-related decline.

EDIT to move the first two paragraphs of my response out of my quoting of kanyewest's post.

[nate33]

Robinson was better than Ewing by quite a large margin. Don't have time to delve into it today, but Robinson is one of the more underrated players in basketball history.

Statistically, Robinson is more efficient but then you also have to look at the fact that Robinson did play a large portion of his career with superior teammates than Ewing. I'm not sure Robinson finds himself with a ring either with Ewing.

This is coming from a HUGE Ewing fan. I loved watching him at Georgetown. Loved watching him throughout his NBA career. He played hard and worked hard. I admired his game, his work ethic, and the person. I got to know him a little when he was an assistant with the Wizards and found him to be a really good guy.

So, that said: More efficient is better. Robinson's worst pre-injury offensive efficiency was about the same as Ewing's BEST. Even post-injury, Robinson was almost as efficient as Ewing's career best efficiency.

The supporting cast issue is one I can look at in a couple weeks when I have more time. I'd be surprised if there was much difference between the two -- until Robinson got Duncan, of course.

But, the difference is quite large.

Career PPA -- Robinson 231; Ewing 155.

Ewing's peak PPA was 198. Robinson: 263. Not counting the season where he hurt his back, Robinson had 10 seasons that rated better than Ewing's best, and two more seasons that rated better than Ewing's second best. In all, Ewing had 13 seasons that rated as less productive per 100 team possessions than Robinson's worst season.

Much as I respect and admire Ewing, there was a significant distance between Robinson and him. I haven't done any analysis on top 50 all-time type stuff. Robinson surely belongs. Not sure on Ewing. He was a very good player before age-related decline.

Agree with all of this. Robinson was a monster. One could fairly argue that he's a top 10-15 player of all time. Most rankings put him in the high teens are early 20's, but I'd take him ahead of K.Malone, Barkley, Kobe, KG or Moses.

He may have been the best defensive center of all time, and offensively, there were few better. It's a shame that he played in the 90's. Under the current rules he would be even more successful. He was a high post pick-and-roll center stuck in a low-post era.

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[JWizmentality]

The more I read the more I don't want Brooks. Seems like a Randy Wittman clone. Would much rather have JVG.

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