Wizardspride wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:Pointgod wrote:
I don't know. I've read and watched enough reporting about Trump voters to realize there's a strong cognitive dissonance. Years of right wing messaging and brain washing actually has them believing that their services won't be cut, but rather the people that don't deserve it like the blacks, poors and immigrants.
So you're fine with doing away with social security etc and think most Trump voters are fine with it too.
The most frustrating example is a woman that needs the Obamacare to live. She voted for Trump and when the reporter tells her that Trump said he'd get rid of Obamacare, he asks what she'll do if that happens. She says that she'll just accept death. The answer isn't to just die, you vote for the politicians that want to save and improve Obamacare. You donate or join local organizations that are making a push to save Obamacare. Jesus do everything you can to save it, your ideology isn't worth your life.
Sorry for the rant but long story short Republicans are transparent in their attempt to gut social services. it's been that way for decades. But yet the people who need these still keep handing them power.
see thats just it! Liberals are very selfish and very self serving.
This woman cares more about her country than herself. She would rather the country be well and prsoper than have obamacare.
and I would too. I love myself. I love my life. its been amazing. I have no regrets. But frankly I care more about the good of the human race and espeically the United States more than myself. I would rather die at 70 than be a financial burden for 10-20 years on the rest of the tax payers. thats my personal belief for myself. and thats how i see for everyone else.
now if i save some money and want to pay for my own healthcare? or if anyone else does? fine. But why burden your neighbors and friends??
speaking of neighbors...I'm hungry. I want steak tonight!!!! which one of you muthaphuckers is buying me my steak dinner tonight???? I'm muthaphunkin hungry biotches!!!!! Get my phunkin steak over!! STAT!!!
See how that sounds? Thats how you whiny liberals sound to me.
Ok, Now that you got that off your chest, how do you think Trump voters (in general) will react if the GOP goes after those programs?
And I'm not talking about just cutting these benefits. I'm talking about ending them all together..which has always been the goal of the GOP.
Good question. what you realy are asking is how does trump remain in office? And/or how can GOP congressmen remain in office if the bring that kind of legislation to his desk and he signs it?
Tough sell right? not becuase these programs are good for americans or good for the country. they are not good. Not long term. they were all suppose to be temorary. Even social security. SS was suppose to be a win for the US government-who would "keep your money now, earn interest on it for 30 years and pay it back to you at 62, then 65, then 67, now going for 70 and in the high hopes that you die before then. Trust me folks. the bean counters at the IRS and SS office all hope you die before you re-collect your own money. I hope that isn't some "new concept" for too many liberals. emphasis on "too,"
So how do they sell and remain in office? they dont. They do what everyone else has done. stage the retirement and payout ages and payouts in such a way so as to make it sustainable. and give people like me options to keep my money and not collect SS.
Now dont get me wrong. I would never turn it down in its current state. its a windfall for people like me who are 100% healthy, eat well and exercise. I will likely recoup all of my pay in. But most dont. and those that pay in little to nothing over collect.
and TBH SS is not the worst culprit. If done right, the US Goverment should actually "win." they just need to keep moving back the payout ages and retirement ages and society lives longer so as not to "lose money." make the program work and pay for itself and its fine. Its when it does NOT pay for itself that we have a problem. For me? id rather put my annual 4.5 for midicaid/SS into real estate. I'm a savvy investor and my real estate holding do at least 20% annually in cap and another 7% in appreciation. national average is about 10% and 4% though. which is still better than paying 4.5% into medicaid/ss for those people that die before they are 70(which is over half of the population). So if you just buy real estate with that money and as well as hedge it with a term life before you turn 38, you have actually done quite better for your spouse or your children(and yourself if you live beyond 68). and by quite better i mean minimally $500k-multi-Millions better than what you will collect in SS depending on when you die and how smart you were with your real estate. People like me should be given an option. i can do far better with that money each year than the government can and I can sell off my investments or borrow against them way before i turn 65 if i need/want the cash. But people like cammac will argue that my money (again) is necessary to pay for my neighbors SS benefits. To which i say to Cammac, where the phuck is my steak phuckin dinner tonight, muthaphucka!!!??? I want steak!! and I want it now!!!
welfare, food stamps and medicare are even more ridiculous than SS/medicaid. Again, i have no problem with "help" or a fresh start for a "brief" period of time to get someone on their feet. but the real purpose of government is not to provide free things, especially long term. the real purpose is to provide a pathway to education which will provide a pathway to employment. but we can NOT have system of entitlements where young girls (and boys?) are encouraged to have babies just to collect a check each month. and collect it for 18 years. this is not a proper environment to raise children. These children that grow up on this "system" 16 year-olds that were raised by 16 year olds that now have 3 children of their own. are. completely. lost. they dont know which way is up. It often takes decades to recover from this type of upbringing. and maybe 1 in 10 children escape the entitlement "trap." Drugs, violence, abuse, and neglect are rampant in these households. they simply dont know better. are overwhelmed. and often end up bitter and angry. its a vicious cycle and I would argue its evil and ends up repeating itself generation after generation. Our government should NOT encourage this as an option or lifestyle. yet it does and has done so for over 50 years.
Instead? we can identify children that might fall prey to this entitlement "trap" and let them know that there will be no "free check for longer than saaaaay 6 months? every 3 years? that if "they want the check" they will have to "work." And I would put fathers into jail for not paying child support. Separate jails than regular prison. these jails would be state sponsored labor camps where dead beat dads must show up and work and the child support gets taken from their checks.
get corporations involved. get small business involved. and give them tax breaks to hire these kids or old people. Another anecdote, this is actually an untapped market. My best employees are single and semi single moms that do NOT have college degrees and do NOT want to live off of entitlements but are too busy being moms to find/keep gainful employment at a large corporation. if they are coming off entitlements and You give them a good job, with a good paycheck, and a sense of purpose and room for growth, they will work for you like its their own business. But you often have to let them arrive later or leave early due to being a single mom. Or sporadic days off. which a lot of corporate places wont allow. and it forces me have to keep more people on staff. so it costs me more money. if the US government was smart, they would reward small business like mine to hire entitlement risks. I should be awarded tax breaks for putting these young single moms to work that would have trouble finding employment elsewhere. But again, I figured out that if I over pay them and let them slide on some things I end up with the most loyal employees literally on the planet that are extremely happy and extremely grateful. But again. Most corporations dont have the patience for that and their bean counters wont over pay.
As an aside it will help bring low wage manufacturing back to the united states if you force dead beat dads work those low skilled jobs (or got to jail or as a form of jail)...until they are gainfully employed elsewhere and can pay their child support.
Now Is that all you got? what can i fix next??? give me something hard man!
