Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[NatP4]

My only problem with the Evans trade is Wall being out. I think it can be very hard an awkward when Wall comes back. Evans will probably be playing 36mpg and won't want to go back to the bench. Evans will probably have been solid so Wall will feel pressure and maybe get down on himself for not being as good as Evans while rusty and the playoffs coming. Just is hard to make it all work in a short time span

One good thing about Evans is that he can play any of 3 positions, but you're point is correct that there will be playing time allocation issues when Wall returns - especially with Sato showing he deserves more minutes. It it was me, I would not trade a first for Evans mainly because he'd be a half year rental.

See, playing time would be no issue if we looked like this:

Wall Sato
Beal Evans
Oubre Sato/Evans
Porter Oubre

Even though I don’t love Oubre at the 4, because of his low basketball IQ, there are plenty of minutes. Especially if they play Otto at the 5 some in the playoffs. If they don’t commit to smal ball, yeah not even close to enough minutes

[80sballboy]

Marc Stein just reported that the Sixers are trying to get Tyreke Evans, but Memphis wants a first-round pick. The Sixers are reluctant to give that pick up.

[nate33]

We aren't trading for Evans. We have no resources to trade except our 1st round pick. If we do indeed decide to give up that pick, it will be a trade designed to save salary and avoid the luxtax. That will be a higher priority than a win-now short term improvement. I guarantee it.

I'm really hoping we just stand pat. Or maybe trade Jason Smith plus cash for a smaller contract (or for nothing at all).

[NatP4]

We’re supposed to have Kevin Durant right now and our 1st round pick from last year that we wouldn’t have had to use on dumping Nicholson.

Wall Sato
Beal
Durant Oubre
Porter
Gortat Jaret Allen

Why is life not fun

[dcstanley]

We’re supposed to have Kevin Durant right now and our 1st round pick from last year that we wouldn’t have had to use on dumping Nicholson.

Wall Sato
Beal
Durant Oubre
Porter
Gortat Jaret Allen

Why is life not fun

We should at least have Horford. 2016 summer was a massive failure.

[Ruzious]

We aren't trading for Evans. We have no resources to trade except our 1st round pick. If we do indeed decide to give up that pick, it will be a trade designed to save salary and avoid the luxtax. That will be a higher priority than a win-now short term improvement. I guarantee it.

I'm really hoping we just stand pat. Or maybe trade Jason Smith plus cash for a smaller contract (or for nothing at all).

A trade of Jason Smith and a 1st for Evans (works on the Trade Checker) would save close to $2 mil in salaries this season - though that would be pro-rated, and since the lux tax is computed by using end of year salaries, it would help reduce the lux tax. Also, it would take off his $5,450,000 off the books next season and take off whatever salary the 1st rounder costs. I'm not suggesting the Wiz should do that trade, but I'm still thinking there's a good chance the Wiz trade their 1st rounder.

[FAH1223]

but I'm still thinking there's a good chance the Wiz trade their 1st rounder.

[nate33]

We aren't trading for Evans. We have no resources to trade except our 1st round pick. If we do indeed decide to give up that pick, it will be a trade designed to save salary and avoid the luxtax. That will be a higher priority than a win-now short term improvement. I guarantee it.

I'm really hoping we just stand pat. Or maybe trade Jason Smith plus cash for a smaller contract (or for nothing at all).

A trade of Jason Smith and a 1st for Evans (works on the Trade Checker) would save close to $2 mil in salaries this season - though that would be pro-rated, and since the lux tax is computed by using end of year salaries, it would help reduce the lux tax. Also, it would take off his $5,450,000 off the books next season and take off whatever salary the 1st rounder costs. I'm not suggesting the Wiz should do that trade, but I'm still thinking there's a good chance the Wiz trade their 1st rounder.

Yes, that trade could work.

But if I'm Memphis, I'd look for a deal that nets either a higher pick or a filler contract that doesn't suck as much as Smith's. And from Ted's perspective, I think he'd look to trade Smith for more cap relief and no returning talent, rather than a mere $2M in cap relief plus a short term upgrade in talent. He'd prefer to trade Smith plus the pick to Dallas for a top 55 protected 2nd round pick, for example.

[Ruzious]

We aren't trading for Evans. We have no resources to trade except our 1st round pick. If we do indeed decide to give up that pick, it will be a trade designed to save salary and avoid the luxtax. That will be a higher priority than a win-now short term improvement. I guarantee it.

I'm really hoping we just stand pat. Or maybe trade Jason Smith plus cash for a smaller contract (or for nothing at all).

A trade of Jason Smith and a 1st for Evans (works on the Trade Checker) would save close to $2 mil in salaries this season - though that would be pro-rated, and since the lux tax is computed by using end of year salaries, it would help reduce the lux tax. Also, it would take off his $5,450,000 off the books next season and take off whatever salary the 1st rounder costs. I'm not suggesting the Wiz should do that trade, but I'm still thinking there's a good chance the Wiz trade their 1st rounder.

Yes, that trade could work.

But if I'm Memphis, I'd look for a deal that nets either a higher pick or a filler contract that doesn't suck as much as Smith's. And from Ted's perspective, I think he'd look to trade Smith for more cap relief and no returning talent, rather than a mere $2M in cap relief plus a short term upgrade in talent. He'd prefer to trade Smith plus the pick to Dallas for a top 55 protected 2nd round pick, for example.

It might end up depending on what Memphis can get. As 80sballboy posted, supposedly Philly was making an effort to get Evans, but Memphis wanted a 1st rounder and Philly is reluctant. At this point, I'd guess Philly's pick would be just a few picks higher than the Wiz'.

[nate33]

Here's a low key trade that I could see the Wizards doing at the deadline:

Washington trades: Jason Smith + $5.1M cash
Utah trades: Ekpe Udoh

The trade saves $2.2M from the payroll this year and $2.3M from the payroll next year. Factoring luxtax penalties, that's a savings of $5.5M this year and $5.75M next year. Effectively, Ted pays out $5.1M to make the trade happen, but saves $11.25 overall. That's a net savings of $6.2M.

Meanwhile, Utah makes $600,000 in the exchange, and could probably utilize Jason Smith more so than Udoh.

[nuposse04]

Could we do Jodie Meeks+ Distant 2nd rounder for Mario Hezonja? Orl is going to lose him for nothing anyways I can't see him being that much worse then meeks if at all. The we also get out of Meeks 2nd year.

[queridiculo]

A trade of Jason Smith and a 1st for Evans (works on the Trade Checker) would save close to $2 mil in salaries this season - though that would be pro-rated, and since the lux tax is computed by using end of year salaries, it would help reduce the lux tax. Also, it would take off his $5,450,000 off the books next season and take off whatever salary the 1st rounder costs. I'm not suggesting the Wiz should do that trade, but I'm still thinking there's a good chance the Wiz trade their 1st rounder.

I don't know if reducing the tax bill by $1.5 million is worth it to be honest, that would be a really poor trade.

If the 1st goes then the Wizards have to make sure they get below the threshold so that they can push out repeater status by at least a year.

[Ruzious]

Here's a low key trade that I could see the Wizards doing at the deadline:

Washington trades: Jason Smith + $5.1M cash
Utah trades: Ekpe Udoh

The trade saves $2.2M from the payroll this year and $2.3M from the payroll next year. Factoring luxtax penalties, that's a savings of $5.5M this year and $5.75M next year. Effectively, Ted pays out $5.1M to make the trade happen, but saves $11.25 overall. That's a net savings of $6.2M.

Meanwhile, Utah makes $600,000 in the exchange, and could probably utilize Jason Smith more so than Udoh.

And Udoh had his best game against the Wiz. He's an odd duck - a long talented defender with an NBA body who doesn't rebound well and never developed offensively despite having some tools there.

[NatP4]

Could we do Jodie Meeks+ Distant 2nd rounder for Mario Hezonja? Orl is going to lose him for nothing anyways I can't see him being that much worse then meeks if at all. The we also get out of Meeks 2nd year.

I like this. Hezonja is actually averaging 14-6-2-1 per 36 on .550 TS%. He also if friends with Satoransky and would have some chemistry since they have played before. I think there's still a ton of upside there that the magic are going to regret giving up on. He also has the size to play up and down the lineup and allow us to play more small ball.

I would do this deal without hesitating.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Could we do Jodie Meeks+ Distant 2nd rounder for Mario Hezonja? Orl is going to lose him for nothing anyways I can't see him being that much worse then meeks if at all. The we also get out of Meeks 2nd year.

I would much rather do this than Evans.

It's like people didn't watch the last two games. With Tomas Satoransky playing the way he does you don't need Tyreke Evans. He would take minutes away from Kelly Oubre and Tomas.

Meeks, McCullough, Smith, the 1st and the 2nd for Portis and Cameron Payne makes sense to me.

[Dark Faze]

We’re supposed to have Kevin Durant right now and our 1st round pick from last year that we wouldn’t have had to use on dumping Nicholson.

Wall Sato
Beal
Durant Oubre
Porter
Gortat Jaret Allen

Why is life not fun

all it would have taken was one under the radar text to Kevins agent to see if the wiz would get a meeting and we'd be in a completely different place right now

instead the guy who's been a GM for a hundred years couldn't even do his due diligence and literally waited for free agency to begin like he's completely brand new to the NBA game and has no contacts whatsoever in the industry

[NatP4]

wonder what it would take to get Vucevic or/and possibly Fournier.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydg9l3oy

[Dark Faze]

Vucevic can be gotten for a first, but this is a strong draft, would offer next years first and just walk if they don't accept it

[payitforward]

We will have made our 2018 1st round pick, so 9 players, plus we free up 17 million to re sign Evans, and whoever else

Sheesh! I read it wrong twice....

Evans will be unrestricted & this will be a big payday for him. He will go to the highest bidder. He'd be nuts not to.

This is a business, Nat. When will another chance come for him to transform the rest of his life financially? It won't.

Anyway, Ernie is not going all in this year with Wall injured. He has a perfect excuse to give Ted for a mediocre season.

I'm sure Ernie will try to make a trade to get under the tax -- your suggested trade won't get that done, & Memphis isn't the right trading partner for that, as they are over the tax themselves.

so we won't compete this year? and 2 years from now Walls extension kicks in and we have no chance at competing, so we basically have next year to compete unless Ernie hits a home run on a NBA ready center with a mid to late 1st?...

Your proposed trade doesn't help us "compete" (assuming you mean contend for a championship, or even for the EC title) this year. & it sure doesn't help us compete next year.

[pcbothwel]

Sheesh! I read it wrong twice....

Evans will be unrestricted & this will be a big payday for him. He will go to the highest bidder. He'd be nuts not to.

This is a business, Nat. When will another chance come for him to transform the rest of his life financially? It won't.

Anyway, Ernie is not going all in this year with Wall injured. He has a perfect excuse to give Ted for a mediocre season.

I'm sure Ernie will try to make a trade to get under the tax -- your suggested trade won't get that done, & Memphis isn't the right trading partner for that, as they are over the tax themselves.

so we won't compete this year? and 2 years from now Walls extension kicks in and we have no chance at competing, so we basically have next year to compete unless Ernie hits a home run on a NBA ready center with a mid to late 1st?...

Your proposed trade doesn't help us "compete" (assuming you mean contend for a championship, or even for the EC title) this year. & it sure doesn't help us compete next year.

I think we are all (Mostly) in agreement that we want to keep our 2018 pick, get under tax, add talent.
So... If we trade Smith, Meeks, 2019 pick, and cash, we can take back about 2.5M and stay under the tax.
Smith, Meeks, 2019 pick, and cash to:

Bulls for Valentine or Portis
Kings for Justin Jackson... or Skal and Mason
Mavs for Kleber and Ferrell
Pacers for Leaf... or Anigbogu and Joe Young

Thoughts?