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Re: Potential Free Agent Signings 

Post#161 » by queridiculo » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:33 pm

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nate33 wrote:Reading on Wiretap that Indy is still pursuing a S&T for Hayward. I assumed that once Hayward opted out of his player option, Boston no longer had the capability of sign-and-trading him. Maybe that's incorrect.


You usually see the S&T thing happen in RFA (as it did a bunch last season) because the incumbent team has matching rights and can leverage that into getting a second rounder or something back, like we did with Sato.

This is the other use case, where Indiana can't sign Hayward directly into open cap space and thus has to arrange a trade. Since the Celtics have Hayward's Bird Rights, they're exclusively (between them and the Pacers, or them and any other non-cap space team), capable of signing him to a deal at $25m or whatever he's looking for, and thus able to use that to demand assets for facilitating the move to Indiana.

The interesting part is that looking at Indiana's cap sheet, they don't have a lot of dud mega-deals for cap ballast. Assuming Hayward isn't taking a massive paycut, I don't see any way the salaries could match without at least one of Turner/Oladipo/Lamb/Warren/Sabonis/Brogdon coming back. But sign and trade limitations prevent the Celtics from sending any players/assets along with Hayward in the deal! It sounds like the only possibility is working out two separate transactions - the first being Hayward for... Oladipo? Turner? The second, which could execute simultaneously, would have to be the Celtics sending out desirable low-salary players and/or some draft compensation for pure salary filler from the Pacers scrap heap. Maybe this is the window the Pacers have been looking for to dump Oladipo or Turner, but it'll have to be quite a deal.


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Re: Potential Free Agent Signings 

Post#162 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:01 am

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Danny Ainge, his scrooge McDuck approach is going to be the Celtics down fall.

Yeah, Haywood for Turner seems like a pretty good deal for everyone. At this point, Ainge is not negotiating from a position of strength. If they don't get something for Haywood, he'll just go to Atlanta and they'll get nothing.
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Re: Potential Free Agent Signings 

Post#163 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:37 am

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rl25g wrote:I'm thinking/hoping

Resign Bertans
Favors for 2 year MLE
Harkless for 1 year bi annual

Bertans: Agreed
MLE: I'd go with Noel, but Favors would be #2.
Also, I'd go after Shaq Harrison as well in the MLE (I think Noel + Shaq can be had for 9.5M total)
BAE: Save this for mid season pickup.

Derrick Favors is a d@mnd good player. & he's young for the 10 years he has been in the league.

All the same, he's too old to fit where we are in rebuilding this team.

Noel & Harrison sounds pretty good -- Shaquille Harrison had a good year in 18-19, & played 1400+ minutes, which gives you some confidence in the numbers. This year, he only played 484 minutes -- but he was even better, a fair amount better, than the previous year. Anyone know why he got so few minutes?

The Bulls didn't give him a qualifying offer...? Why?
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Post#164 » by NatP4 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:41 am

I’d love Shaq Harrison. Any wiz news yet?? This has been pretty boring so far
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Post#165 » by Dark Faze » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:41 am

Might be able to fit in Bertans (18 per), Avery Bradley (5 mil), Biyombo (vet min) under our cap, but it'd be approaching the limit.
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Post#166 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:58 am

I wonder how cheap Kris Dunn will be. He is one strange player. He's gotten better year by year, & he actually played pretty well this year. But, his variation from year to year is weird.

Last year he shot the 2 at 44%; this year he zoomed up to 53.5%
But last year he shot the 3 at 35.4%; this year he dropped down to 25.9%

Last year, per 48 minutes, he had 9.6 assists. This year it was down to 6.5.
Then again, last year he had 2.3 steals -- this year it jumped to 3.8. & he went from 3.6 to 2.6 turnovers.
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Re: Potential Free Agent Signings 

Post#167 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:06 am

Gig18 wrote:He's unrestricted, so you call his bluff and you can end up losing him without recompense.
then we're still bad defensively and worse offensively.
pay him and you still have him as a trade chip if you feel it's too much later.
It gets hard to watch young talent walk.
Bertans is only 27; he can shoot like that for a loooong time

You do get recompense. You get $18m to use in a different way & for better value.

How we are defensively/offensively will depend on how we fill out the roster.

Bertans at $18m is overpaid; that means he is not a trade chip. Teams don't usually trade for overpaid players.

He'll shoot well for a loooong time, because he is a premier, all-world shooter. But, he does nothing else well. He'll do that "nothing else well" for a loooong time too.

Overpaying players makes your team worse. Period. No exceptions.
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Post#168 » by queridiculo » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:10 am

Some of these deals so far, Meyers Leonard gets 2 years $20 million for what, towel waving?
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Post#169 » by Ed Wood » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:12 am

Surprisingly (to me) the Kings are't looking to retain Harry Giles. Apart from having kind of miserable on/off numbers to date he's been a plausible enough NBA player and is still very young (younger than Rui). He doesn't necessarily represent the actually reliably effective frontcourt player the team needs, but he would be a real upside signing.


e: Three minutes worth of scouting - literally refuses to shoot from more than 12 feet out, surprisingly good as a passer out of the high post.
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Post#170 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:13 am

queridiculo wrote:Some of these deals so far, Meyers Leonard gets 2 years $20 million for what, towel waving?

2nd years are team options. They can be cut when it's time to go after Giannis.
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Post#171 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:28 am

Detroit is blowing their wad on about 8 backup centers. They no longer have more than Early Bird money for Christian Wood (4 years, $45M). Someone else will probably offer more. That someone else is likely to be NY, Charlotte or Atlanta. That could be more money off the table that could otherwise go towards Bertans.
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Post#172 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:31 am

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That pretty much takes Atlanta off the board as a potential Bertans suitor. That leaves only New York. And New York will be trying first for Van Vleet.
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Post#174 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:40 am

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A lot of people are thinking that Noel might now go to LA. :(
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Post#176 » by Dat2U » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:44 am

I want Bertans, WCS & Justin Holiday. I think those 3 could get them to 4 to 5 seed territory in the East depending on what happens.
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Post#177 » by Dat2U » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:47 am

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Okongwu is just a rookie. Him backing up Capela is absolutely fine. The question is Collins/Gallinari as neither is getting minutes as a 3 or 5. You got D. Hunter who might be best as a small ball 4 at the 3. Reddish at the 3 too. I guess everybody getting 24 minutes a night unless they not sold on Collins.
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Post#179 » by wall_glizzy » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:58 am

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Post#180 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:58 am

Dark Faze wrote:Might be able to fit in Bertans (18 per), Avery Bradley (5 mil), Biyombo (vet min) under our cap, but it'd be approaching the limit.

Why ever would we want 2 guys at the end of their career like Bradley & Biyombo?

We already had a decade when we were every player's last stop. Let's not repeat that.

Instead, let's build a team that will contend for a title in a few years. That team will be full of players you can't name right now.
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