Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[penbeast0]

Do you think something like:

Wizards get : Lively + HardawayJr + Green/Williams + Holmes + 1st round pick
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Shamet

Would be fare value for both teams? I would take Grant Williams instead of Green too. If Dallas is in win-now mode I don't think our package is bad value for Lively and first. And for us, Lively could be the center of our future and we get a pick.

Yes, getting Lively.+1st is the only way a trade to Dallas is acceptable …but Dallas has reportedly said he is out of any trade discussions…

Pulling Lively and Gafford out, that's THJ + Williams (we don't need Green with all our 6'4 wings), + Homes + 1st for Kuzma and Shamet. If the money works, that's still a deal I'd take for Washington.

Gafford/Bagley
Williams/Holmes
Avdija/Coulibaly
(Bunch of frogs)
Jones/Wright/Butler

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Do you think something like:

Wizards get : Lively + HardawayJr + Green/Williams + Holmes + 1st round pick
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Shamet

Would be fare value for both teams? I would take Grant Williams instead of Green too. If Dallas is in win-now mode I don't think our package is bad value for Lively and first. And for us, Lively could be the center of our future and we get a pick.

I would give Kuzma, Gaff & Shamet for Lively alone. But I can't imagine Dallas being willing to trade the kid for that package.

The idea that they would give Lively & a R1 pick -- plus Josh Green no less! -- for those 3 guys seems ludicrous to me. It would be robbery by us.

[bsilver]

Do you think something like:

Wizards get : Lively + HardawayJr + Green/Williams + Holmes + 1st round pick
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Shamet

Would be fare value for both teams? I would take Grant Williams instead of Green too. If Dallas is in win-now mode I don't think our package is bad value for Lively and first. And for us, Lively could be the center of our future and we get a pick.

Yes, getting Lively.+1st is the only way a trade to Dallas is acceptable …but Dallas has reportedly said he is out of any trade discussions…

Pulling Lively and Gafford out, that's THJ + Williams (we don't need Green with all our 6'4 wings), + Homes + 1st for Kuzma and Shamet. If the money works, that's still a deal I'd take for Washington.

Gafford/Bagley
Williams/Holmes
Avdija/Coulibaly
(Bunch of frogs)
Jones/Wright/Butler

The trade is basically Kuzma for a first round pick. Everyone else is filler. Dallas 2024 pick belongs to NY. It would be nice to get a 2024 pick, or a better pick if it’s 2025+.

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...THJ + Williams (we don't need Green with all our 6'4 wings), + Homes + 1st for Kuzma and Shamet. If the money works, that's still a deal I'd take for Washington....

THJ, Holmes & Shamet are 3 players with, essentially, zero trade value. Thus, this trade would come down to Grant Williams plus a R1 pick in return for Kuzma.

I'd be happy to do that deal.
I'd be even happier -- ecstatic, in fact -- if the deal also brought us Josh Green.

Would I do any variant of these deals if I were Dallas? No.

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274445/Wizards-Showing-Interest-In-Quentin-Grimes

Plus...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274441/Knicks-Have-Interest-In-Daniel-Gafford

[nate33]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

[Hibachi_0]

Do you think something like:

Wizards get : Lively + HardawayJr + Green/Williams + Holmes + 1st round pick
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Shamet

Would be fare value for both teams? I would take Grant Williams instead of Green too. If Dallas is in win-now mode I don't think our package is bad value for Lively and first. And for us, Lively could be the center of our future and we get a pick.

I would give Kuzma, Gaff & Shamet for Lively alone. But I can't imagine Dallas being willing to trade the kid for that package.

The idea that they would give Lively & a R1 pick -- plus Josh Green no less! -- for those 3 guys seems ludicrous to me. It would be robbery by us.

With Green I do believe it is too much, but Williams has not been playing nearly as good as he was expected too. Also, I think Shamet could have some value to Dallas with HArdawayJr leaving. But I get what you mean. Another option could be smth like this:

Wizards get: Lively + HardawayJr + Kleber/Williams + Holmes + 1st round
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Tyus

And if they want Shamet they could add the one left from Kleber/Williams.

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Gafford for Grimes & Hartenstein works in the trade machine. Or Gafford & Livers for the same two guys -- then we get a R2 pick as well...?

[Hibachi_0]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about:

Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

[penbeast0]

Knick fan suggested Grimes, Fournier, and our 1st back for Gafford and D. Wright . . . assuming we add Sims for Anthony Gill. Would leave us Tyus to move elsewhere, though I don't know if you meant a better 1st in your suggestion.

[TGW]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about:

Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

I would want the Dallas FRP and our pick back in return for Gaff and Tyus. I don't particular care for Grimes or Sims and don't give them much value.

[nate33]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about:

Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

I don't love Grimes on this roster. He is a 3&D SG. That's basically what Bilal can be for us, only he'll do so while being switchable 1 through 5.

We need a PG with size and defense to cover for Poole (Jalen Suggs type). Or we need a quality scoring guard (Quickley type) so that we can just bench Poole. Grimes is neither and I don't really see a home for him here.

[nate33]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about:

Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

I would want the Dallas FRP and our pick back in return for Gaff and Tyus. I don't particular care for Grimes or Sims and don't give them much value.

I think Gafford alone is worth that FRP. If they get Tyus too, I would want our protected FRP back. I know it's unlikely to convey, but at least we will get back those two high SRPs that it's going to become.

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Do you think something like:

Wizards get : Lively + HardawayJr + Green/Williams + Holmes + 1st round pick
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Shamet

Would be fare value for both teams? I would take Grant Williams instead of Green too. If Dallas is in win-now mode I don't think our package is bad value for Lively and first. And for us, Lively could be the center of our future and we get a pick.

I would give Kuzma, Gaff & Shamet for Lively alone. But I can't imagine Dallas being willing to trade the kid for that package.

The idea that they would give Lively & a R1 pick -- plus Josh Green no less! -- for those 3 guys seems ludicrous to me. It would be robbery by us.

With Green I do believe it is too much, but Williams has not been playing nearly as good as he was expected too. Also, I think Shamet could have some value to Dallas with HArdawayJr leaving. But I get what you mean. Another option could be smth like this:

Wizards get: Lively + HardawayJr + Kleber/Williams + Holmes + 1st round
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Tyus

And if they want Shamet they could add the one left from Kleber/Williams.

-- obviously, I am valuing Lively a lot higher than you are!

Not to mention that your last sentence indicates that you are equating the value of Shamet & either Kleber or Williams, which seems pretty far off to me.

As must be obvious, I'd LOVE to acquire Dereck Lively. But, Dallas simply isn't going to trade him -- or, if so, it would only be in a deal which gets them a true star, a difference maker who really ups their chance at a title this year. That's not something we can give them.

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I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about: Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

$26m out, $4.3m in...? Fails in the trade machine.

[Hibachi_0]

With Green I do believe it is too much, but Williams has not been playing nearly as good as he was expected too. Also, I think Shamet could have some value to Dallas with HArdawayJr leaving. But I get what you mean. Another option could be smth like this:

Wizards get: Lively + HardawayJr + Kleber/Williams + Holmes + 1st round
Dallas get: Kuzma + Gafford + Tyus

And if they want Shamet they could add the one left from Kleber/Williams.

-- obviously, I am valuing Lively a lot higher than you are!

Not to mention that your last sentence indicates that you are equating the value of Shamet & either Kleber or Williams, which seems pretty far off to me.

As must be obvious, I'd LOVE to acquire Dereck Lively. But, Dallas simply isn't going to trade him -- or, if so, it would only be in a deal which gets them a true star, a difference maker who really ups their chance at a title this year. That's not something we can give them.

Well, I do believe HardawayJr and Holmes are negative assets, Kleber has missed a lot of games (and I never liked him), and Wiliams has not been the 3&D stopper Dallas thought he would be. Also, as good as Lively is, when he reaches his potential Luka might not be in Dallas anymore, while Gafford, Kuzma and Shamet would really fit in Dallas. And from here, I think it is quite fair. And in order to improve the team for Luka, they'll have to do something drastic, because they have not been good. However, you may be right, and I could be undervaluing Lively.

[Hibachi_0]

I think there's a real good chance Gafford gets traded. Bagley has usurped the spot of "center who is adequate for now, but not really the guy we expect to contend with". We don't really need two of those guys. It makes sense to move one for pick capital, then draft a center whom we expect to groom for the long term.

If NY is really desperate for a center and will pay a FRP for him (a real pick, not our fake pick back), I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pull the trigger.

What about: Gafford+ Tyus for Grimes+Sims+1st round

$26m out, $4.3m in...? Fails in the trade machine.

Missed adding Fournier

[penbeast0]

That's why Fournier will be in any Grimes for Gafford deal (though why we would make this other than just for 1sts, I don't know . . . see my last post for the proposed trade from the T&T board).

[nate33]

The OKC forum mod just proposed:

Gafford
for
Bertans + 2nd worst of 2024 1st (OKC/LAC/HOU/UTA) + 2025 PHI 1st (top 6 prot.) + 2030 PHX 2nd

I'd do that.

[Frichuela]

The OKC forum mod just proposed:

Gafford
for
Bertans + 2nd worst of 2024 1st (OKC/LAC/HOU/UTA) + 2025 PHI 1st (top 6 prot.) + 2030 PHX 2nd

I'd do that.

Sure! 2 firsts and a second for Gaff? Where do we have to sign?