Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

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I don't get the Gill love either. I remember the Wiz paid Taj Gibson a few million dollars to sit on the bench for basically 5 minutes. I think that was the Sheppard and not Dawkins?

Holmes has been good too - hopefully some of his aggressiveness rubs off on Sarr. If Holmes comes back on a minimum deal, we should keep him.

Agreed. I like Holmes. He probably wouldn't play here for the minimum. We would need to outbid a lot of teams with better contention prospects. But if we paid him a bit more than the vet minimum, I think he'd stay.

I don't really understand the purpose of the extension we signed him to. We extended him for on year at $13.2M, but only $500K of it is guaranteed. What's the point of extending a guy with non-guaranteed money? We could have just done nothing and utilized Bird Rights to pay him that same money if we so desired. (And frankly, there's no chance he'll cost anywhere near $13M.)

Yeah. We should have just let him expire... but that is a pretty tiny mistake in the scheme of things.

It's not a mistake at all. It was a smart move -- we bought an option on him for $250K.

[pcbothwel]

Agreed. I like Holmes. He probably wouldn't play here for the minimum. We would need to outbid a lot of teams with better contention prospects. But if we paid him a bit more than the vet minimum, I think he'd stay.

I don't really understand the purpose of the extension we signed him to. We extended him for on year at $13.2M, but only $500K of it is guaranteed. What's the point of extending a guy with non-guaranteed money? We could have just done nothing and utilized Bird Rights to pay him that same money if we so desired. (And frankly, there's no chance he'll cost anywhere near $13M.)

Yeah. We should have just let him expire... but that is a pretty tiny mistake in the scheme of things.

It's not a mistake at all. It was a smart move -- we bought an option on him for $250K.

It was smarter than that. We lowered his cap hit by 250k and moved into next year. Literally no money was added, just pushed.

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I missed that detail.

Notice from the last few games that Richaun Holmes is by no means over the hill! He's played extremely well. He's a guy I've liked since the run-up to the 2015 draft (he went near the top of R2).

[DCZards]

I missed that detail.

Notice from the last few games that Richaun Holmes is by no means over the hill! He's played extremely well. He's a guy I've liked since the run-up to the 2015 draft (he went near the top of R2).

Yup…I said a few days ago that I recall you being an early fan of Holmes.

[dckingsfan]

Yeah. We should have just let him expire... but that is a pretty tiny mistake in the scheme of things.

It's not a mistake at all. It was a smart move -- we bought an option on him for $250K.

It was smarter than that. We lowered his cap hit by 250k and moved into next year. Literally no money was added, just pushed.

Did not know that... awesome. Now, if they exercise the option - an entire different kettle of fish, no?

[Skybox]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

[doclinkin]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

AJJ has shown remarkable athleticism. Good upside. The front office made his acquisition a go/no-go condition of the Kuzma trade. That said I bet they'd be willing to do something like the above if it included a pick swap in this draft. Our 26-ish for your 16-ish. They are big on trading up, have shipped out 2nd round picks to climb up a few spaces both this past draft and the year before.

Like Carter + #16 for Kispert + AJJ + #26 + some of their haul of a dozen 2nd rounders in the next few drafts.

[Skybox]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

AJJ has shown remarkable athleticism. Good upside. The front office made his acquisition a go/no-go condition of the Kuzma trade. That said I bet they'd be willing to do something like the above if it included a pick swap in this draft. Our 26-ish for your 16-ish. They are big on trading up, have shipped out 2nd round picks to climb up a few spaces both this past draft and the year before.

Like Carter + #16 for Kispert + AJJ + #26 + some of their haul of a dozen 2nd rounders in the next few drafts.

I don't think I'd agree to the frp swap, but I'd consider just adding the DEN frp instead of the srps...if WCJ is healthy, he'd really be a much better fit there than in ORL and I'd guess the opposite might be true for Kispert with all the new acquisitions, primarily Kyshawn George...that would essentially, imo, make it DEN frp for AJJ (which WAS may or may not go for). ORL really needs to get an established PG in, but I'll be watching AJJ

[payitforward]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

Oh please.... Wendell Carter turns 26 in a few months. Makes no sense for us. Moreover, I don't know what "heady game" means; on his career (and this year too) he he puts up sub-standard numbers. About as far from being a trade target as you can get.

You want Kipert, he's available -- how about straight up for our old friend Moritz Wagner?

Ajay Martin is not available. Why trade "a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project" for the negligible return you're offering?

[Skybox]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

Oh please.... Wendell Carter turns 26 in a few months. Makes no sense for us. Moreover, I don't know what "heady game" means; on his career (and this year too) he he puts up sub-standard numbers. About as far from being a trade target as you can get.

You want Kipert, he's available -- how about straight up for our old friend Moritz Wagner?

Ajay Martin is not available. Why trade "a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project" for the negligible return you're offering?

"heady" means thoughtful, deliberate, high IQ...kind of like your posts. He's 25-send him to the glue factory. Kispert isn't exactly a world-beater, it's not like I'm asking for anything special - you guys traded away the one good draftee of the last decade.

[payitforward]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

AJJ has shown remarkable athleticism. Good upside. The front office made his acquisition a go/no-go condition of the Kuzma trade. That said I bet they'd be willing to do something like the above if it included a pick swap in this draft. Our 26-ish for your 16-ish. They are big on trading up, have shipped out 2nd round picks to climb up a few spaces both this past draft and the year before.

Like Carter + #16 for Kispert + AJJ + #26 + some of their haul of a dozen 2nd rounders in the next few drafts.

I don't think I'd agree to the frp swap, but I'd consider just adding the DEN frp instead of the srps...if WCJ is healthy, he'd really be a much better fit there than in ORL and I'd guess the opposite might be true for Kispert with all the new acquisitions, primarily Kyshawn George...that would essentially, imo, make it DEN frp for AJJ (which WAS may or may not go for). ORL really needs to get an established PG in, but I'll be watching AJJ

There's no deal here. Carter brings nothing we need. We would not give draft capitol in a deal for him. Nor a kid with upside like AJ. I wouldn't even do Doc's suggested swap.

[payitforward]

I like Bub a lot...are you guys attached to the younger, skinnier version - AJ Johnson?

Wendell Carter & 2 srps from ORL
for...Kispert & AJ

Carter is still very young and plays a heady, versatile game...would be nice next to Sarr. WAS paid Kispert a bit too much, but ORL is desperate for shooting. I'm really interested in AJ as a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project.

Oh please.... Wendell Carter turns 26 in a few months. Makes no sense for us. Moreover, I don't know what "heady game" means; on his career (and this year too) he he puts up sub-standard numbers. About as far from being a trade target as you can get.

You want Kipert, he's available -- how about straight up for our old friend Moritz Wagner?

Ajay Martin is not available. Why trade "a low-salary, low-risk, high-upside project" for the negligible return you're offering?

"heady" means thoughtful, deliberate, high IQ...kind of like your posts. He's 25-send him to the glue factory. Kispert isn't exactly a world-beater, it's not like I'm asking for anything special - you guys traded away the one good draftee of the last decade.

You are right; we did.

Btw, I didn't intend to be mean about poor Wendell Carter! I'd give you Kispert straight up for him. Maybe even throw in a R2 pick. If -- big if -- we had any kind of need for him.

But, given how early we are in our total rebuild from several floors beneath the basement, why would I target Wendell Carter?

Short-term benefits mean nothing. All I really want is draft capital. Make sense?

[gambitx777]

We probably won't be able to keep all 4 rookies going forward. A choice will eventually need to be made. Either that's we move on from Bilal or probably Sar at some point. Depending on how expensive it looks like they might be. Right now it doesn't appear any of them will be max extension guys but time will tell. George could make a massive jump and pas the others easy .

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[doclinkin]

There's no deal here. Carter brings nothing we need. We would not give draft capitol in a deal for him. Nor a kid with upside like AJ. I wouldn't even do Doc's suggested swap.

Carter is irrelevant to me. I honestly didn’t even bother to look at his stats. But in my stat hunts on this draft I do value a 10 pick jump into the teens more so than another developmental prospect at guard.

There are a cluster of skilled versatile PF/Cs like I haven’t seen in other drafts. Guys who look like ideal fits with this squad. BBIQ standouts who show intriguing skill sets and notable defense.

Problem is every mock has them gone before our pick. I get the same premonition I had watching Tari Eason. Only it’s a few of them in that range.

Rasheer Fleming. Length. Ranged shooting. Defense.
Danny Wolf. Passing and rebounding. Smarts.
CMB. Instincts for the game. Defense.
Thomas Sorber. Young to be this steady. Defense.
Derik Queen. Boards work. Passing. Untapped upside with the right strength and conditioning coach.

I’d trust this front office to pick the right one. Yeah I want others further down. Broome. Toppin. But there’s at least one player in the above bunch that teams are going to regret passing up. You don’t commonly see this skill level in front court players in most drafts.

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Fair enough as speculation. I.e. there would be risk in giving up AJ but also risk in passing up a 10-place jump in the '25 draft.

In any case, wouldn't you expect Orlando's FO to have a similar view? Would they do a deal of this description... just to move Carter? Nah....

[nate33]

We probably won't be able to keep all 4 rookies going forward. A choice will eventually need to be made. Either that's we move on from Bilal or probably Sar at some point. Depending on how expensive it looks like they might be. Right now it doesn't appear any of them will be max extension guys but time will tell. George could make a massive jump and pas the others easy .

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This makes no sense at all. You don't trade away guys because you fear they MIGHT get good enough to become too expensive. What you do is you keep them until they become good, and THEN you consider trading them after their trade value has improved.

For the time being, I would be absolutely THRILLED if Sarr and Bilal became too expensive. I sure as hell wouldn't be shopping them right now.

[gambitx777]

We probably won't be able to keep all 4 rookies going forward. A choice will eventually need to be made. Either that's we move on from Bilal or probably Sar at some point. Depending on how expensive it looks like they might be. Right now it doesn't appear any of them will be max extension guys but time will tell. George could make a massive jump and pas the others easy .

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This makes no sense at all. You don't trade away guys because you fear they MIGHT get good enough to become too expensive. What you do is you keep them until they become good, and THEN you consider trading them after their trade value has improved.

For the time being, I would be absolutely THRILLED if Sarr and Bilal became too expensive. I sure as hell wouldn't be shopping them right now.

Right now, no. Not at all. But eventually that choice will need to be made

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[DCZards]

We probably won't be able to keep all 4 rookies going forward. A choice will eventually need to be made. Either that's we move on from Bilal or probably Sar at some point. Depending on how expensive it looks like they might be. Right now it doesn't appear any of them will be max extension guys but time will tell. George could make a massive jump and pas the others easy .

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This makes no sense at all. You don't trade away guys because you fear they MIGHT get good enough to become too expensive. What you do is you keep them until they become good, and THEN you consider trading them after their trade value has improved.

For the time being, I would be absolutely THRILLED if Sarr and Bilal became too expensive. I sure as hell wouldn't be shopping them right now.

Right now, no. Not at all. But eventually that choice will need to be made

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Players too good to afford. That's a problem I look forward to.

[Frichuela]

I wonder if a draft day trade with ORL is a possibility, in which we trade them Kispert+Bey and we get KCP + their own 1st rounder in the 2025 draft in return (currently slotted at #16).

KCP has been playing like crap and is signed for two more years (2nd year is a PO). Orlando may be enticed to do so as they get shooting and younger players in return for the cost a first rounder. They also have DEN's 1st rounder in the 2025 draft so this scenario may be more palatable for them...

For us, we would have #16 (ORL) and #25 (MEM), which should allow us to jump into the late lottery and grab a good prospect. Trading Kispert and Bey would also guarantee more minutes for our younger players at the wing (Bilal and Kyshawn in particular).

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[pcbothwel]

I wonder if a draft day trade with ORL is a possibility, in which we trade them Kispert+Bey and we get KCP + their own 1st rounder in the 2025 draft in return (currently slotted at #16).

KCP has been playing like crap and is signed for two more years (2nd year is a PO). Orlando may be enticed to do so as they get shooting and younger players in return for the cost a first rounder. They also have DEN's 1st rounder in the 2025 draft so this scenario may be more palatable for them...

For us, we would have #16 (ORL) and #25 (MEM), which should allow us to jump into the late lottery and grab a good prospect. Trading Kispert and Bey would also guarantee more minutes for our younger players at the wing (Bilal and Kyshawn in particular).

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I like it. I even think if they wanted Poole instead it could be worked to be KCP + Cole for Poole.