2025 Draft Thread - Part 3

[pcbothwel]

Per Givony, Maluach & Traore does make sense. A big talent add in that pair! Ditto if it were to be McNeeley at 18 instead pf Traore.

Their big board shows Johni Broome still available at 40. IMO, he's an absolutely can't-miss NBA prospect, a guy who's going to have a long, productive career in the league. Not a star, not a primary scorer, but a stud all the same.

As an alternative to Broome, Woo pencils in Toohey. Anyone have a take on him?

Agreed about Broome. Shooting regressed a little this year, otherwise we would have been a top 20 pick.
Guy is a unit and will get bigger. Holds his ground and blocks shots from other Centers playing Man defense, not the flashy weakside blocks that look good but cause other defensive issues. His passing is really underrated as well.
There are a ton of good Centers in the draft that will have productive careers. Broome, Wolf, Sorber, Maluach, Beringer, Yang, Raynaud, Kalkbrenner, etc.

[closg00]

I wish we had an extra pick for Queen, 4-years from now Derik will be exactly the kind of half-court grinder you want in a playoff series, I am imagining the muscled man Derik will hopefully grow into.

He’s the type of player that gets played off the court in a playoff series. I’m not using the 6th overall pick on another Thomas Bryant.

Sarr is a C long term.

I am not using our 6th pick either, that's what EXTRA pick means, time will tell what kind of player he will become.

[NatP4]

I am not using our 6th pick either, that's what EXTRA pick means, time will tell what kind of player he will become.

My fault! Totally misread your post.

[Hibachi_0]

Probably will change my opinion as the draft gets closer. As of now, I'd take Maluach and Sorber at 6 & 18 and use 40 + a couple og 2 seconds to take Hugo in the late 20s

[AFM]

Dairy Queen averages 1.9 assists and 2.4 turnovers per 36 minutes. It's utterly preposterous to project Jokic-tier playmaking from him.

This Queen obsession if fascinating. When Jokic was 21 he averaged a per36 of 22 / 13 / 6 on a TS of 64% and 2:1 AST TOV ratio.
Queen MAY be a real interesting hub for the bench unit and I get that. But people really dont seem to understand that Jokic is a freak outlier and most teams that try to build around that model will have a low ceiling.

I don’t think anyone here seriously thinks Queen is the next Joker.

You gotta keep in mind that AFM is the board’s court jester.

You see what they do? First COSC calls me A Fukn' Moron and now I'm reduced to a humble clown. Anyone else want to kick me while I'm down, I'm defenseless.

[payitforward]

...then there's your taste in music! I mean... sheesh!

[payitforward]

Actually, you are one of the -- many! -- really good guys on this forum. This forum which is unquestionably & by a lot the best nba team forum on realgm.

[nate33]

Probably will change my opinion as the draft gets closer. As of now, I'd take Maluach and Sorber at 6 & 18 and use 40 + a couple og 2 seconds to take Hugo in the late 20s

I don’t see a rationale to take two centers in this draft. Sarr is going to spend probably half of his time at center in the coming seasons, leaving only about 25-30 minutes a game available at the position for other players.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Man Champagnie gets no respect…

Just listened to another draft podcast that mocked NiqueClifford to the Wizards at 18 and said because he’s a better option to play for the Wizards than Champagnie.

I think Nique Clifford might be an All-Star, eventually.

See his Stat Strengths (green circles)

Watch his highlights video at the bottom.

What separates Clifford from quality NBA starters? I do see the Champagnie comparison. Justin is already average and improving.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Per Givony, Maluach & Traore does make sense. A big talent add in that pair! Ditto if it were to be McNeeley at 18 instead pf Traore.

Their big board shows Johni Broome still available at 40. IMO, he's an absolutely can't-miss NBA prospect, a guy who's going to have a long, productive career in the league. Not a star, not a primary scorer, but a stud all the same.

As an alternative to Broome, Woo pencils in Toohey. Anyone have a take on him?

Broome is a can't miss. So is Clifford. So is Richardson.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don’t understand the Queen hate. If they’re going to go all offense/little to no defense, they should take Queen over Tre Johnson all day everyday. Queen is a supremely gifted player as a big man. I wouldn’t take him at 6, but in a trade down scenario absolutely.

I would absolutely take him at number 6. Offensive Bigmen like him are available once every 15 years. Guards are a dime a dozen, especially guards that don't play above the rim.

I would also take Queen at 6. However, since I know the Wizards will not, I hope the Spurs draft him at 10.

It will work out much better for Derik to be a Spur.

Probably will change my opinion as the draft gets closer. As of now, I'd take Maluach and Sorber at 6 & 18 and use 40 + a couple og 2 seconds to take Hugo in the late 20s

If the Wizards draft Maluach, Sorber, and Broome, it will be their smartest draft ever.

I'd be very happy with Maluach, Clifford, and Coward.

This draft will be kind of hard to screw up, but I think the Wizards need a big at #6 more than Johnson, Fears, or Bailey.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Probably will change my opinion as the draft gets closer. As of now, I'd take Maluach and Sorber at 6 & 18 and use 40 + a couple og 2 seconds to take Hugo in the late 20s

I don’t see a rationale to take two centers in this draft. Sarr is going to spend probably half of his time at center in the coming seasons, leaving only about 25-30 minutes a game available at the position for other players.

I do.

Sarr sucks. Players eat him alive defensively. Alex is totally inept scoring inside.

Draft both Queen and Sorber or Maluach and Sorber because they will advance Sarr's development. Practices will be competitive. Someone will earn trade value worst-case. Let the worst of the two play in G-League.

Sarr is the only big man on a team full of guards and swing men. There is room to draft bigs. That is who the Wizards need. Quality bigs.

[closg00]

Probably will change my opinion as the draft gets closer. As of now, I'd take Maluach and Sorber at 6 & 18 and use 40 + a couple og 2 seconds to take Hugo in the late 20s

I don’t see a rationale to take two centers in this draft. Sarr is going to spend probably half of his time at center in the coming seasons, leaving only about 25-30 minutes a game available at the position for other players.

I do.

Sarr sucks. Players eat him alive defensively. Alex is totally inept scoring inside.

Draft both Queen and Sorber or Maluach and Sorber because they will advance Sarr's development. Practices will be competitive. Someone will earn trade value worst-case. Let the worst of the two play in G-League.

Sarr is the only big man on a team full of guards and swing men. There is room to draft bigs. That is who the Wizards need. Quality bigs.

Alex is going to fill-out, he may be a stick like Chet, but he will get stronger, and he shows promise on D.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J7gL1JGZ0aM

[dckingsfan]

This draft will be kind of hard to screw up, but I think the Wizards need a big at #6 more than Johnson, Fears, or Bailey.

That is an interesting theory to draft positionally and not BPA. I agree with this to an extent. I think the Wizards could use another big to go with Sarr & Vukcevic (Tristan says, "hi" BTW).

Looking at this draft, if you don't take Maluach at 6, then I am good with using 18 & 40 for bigs.

If you do take Maluach at 6, then I am good taking guards and wings later.

All this to say, I am guessing that the Wizards will have their big board. They are going to take BPA but... there may be bigs and wings that have an equal score on their big board. I can see that slanting their decision to whom they should select.

And don't forget the elephant in the room (which you might just hate with a passion). The Wizards are going to tank are will be looking to the '26 draft (that will also have an effect on whom they draft.

Can't wait until this is over...

[DCZards]

This Queen obsession if fascinating. When Jokic was 21 he averaged a per36 of 22 / 13 / 6 on a TS of 64% and 2:1 AST TOV ratio.
Queen MAY be a real interesting hub for the bench unit and I get that. But people really dont seem to understand that Jokic is a freak outlier and most teams that try to build around that model will have a low ceiling.

I don’t think anyone here seriously thinks Queen is the next Joker.

You gotta keep in mind that AFM is the board’s court jester.

You see what they do? First COSC calls me A Fukn' Moron and now I'm reduced to a humble clown. Anyone else want to kick me while I'm down, I'm defenseless.

Au contraire. Being called a court jester is a compliment.

On court jesters:
“They possessed a unique privilege, allowing them to tease and make light of the nobility without being punished, often using humor to convey truths that might otherwise be unwelcome.

Their roles were more complex than mere buffoons. They often possessed intelligence and insight, using their wit and humor to offer different perspectives.”

[dckingsfan]

I don’t see a rationale to take two centers in this draft. Sarr is going to spend probably half of his time at center in the coming seasons, leaving only about 25-30 minutes a game available at the position for other players.

I do.

Sarr sucks. Players eat him alive defensively. Alex is totally inept scoring inside.

Draft both Queen and Sorber or Maluach and Sorber because they will advance Sarr's development. Practices will be competitive. Someone will earn trade value worst-case. Let the worst of the two play in G-League.

Sarr is the only big man on a team full of guards and swing men. There is room to draft bigs. That is who the Wizards need. Quality bigs.

Alex is going to fill-out, he may be a stick like Chet, but he will get stronger, and he shows promise on D.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J7gL1JGZ0aM

Thing is - he rebounds like a SG/SF and likes about as much contact. I don't think it is his size or strength that is the issue.

I am with CCJ on this one, I think he needs to be moved to PF or paired with a rebounding machine of a PF.

My 1/2 cent.

[dckingsfan]

This Queen obsession if fascinating. When Jokic was 21 he averaged a per36 of 22 / 13 / 6 on a TS of 64% and 2:1 AST TOV ratio.
Queen MAY be a real interesting hub for the bench unit and I get that. But people really dont seem to understand that Jokic is a freak outlier and most teams that try to build around that model will have a low ceiling.

I don’t think anyone here seriously thinks Queen is the next Joker.

You gotta keep in mind that AFM is the board’s court jester.

You see what they do? First COSC calls me A Fukn' Moron and now I'm reduced to a humble clown. Anyone else want to kick me while I'm down, I'm defenseless.

We could play stump the chump

[nate33]

Thing is - he rebounds like a SG/SF and likes about as much contact. I don't think it is his size or strength that is the issue.

I am with CCJ on this one, I think he needs to be moved to PF or paired with a rebounding machine of a PF.

My 1/2 cent.

Hyperbole. At age 19, he averaged 8.6 rebounds per 36, which beats every SF and PF on the roster except the freakishly good rebounding Champagnie.

The whole point of Sarr is to give us a defensively switchable 5 which is almost a necessity in the league these days, at least against some matchups.

Sarr will get stronger. I don’t expect him to ever be a dominant rebounder, but he will rebound well enough to play center 20 minutes a night. And that’s where he will be a difference-making player.

[closg00]

I do.

Sarr sucks. Players eat him alive defensively. Alex is totally inept scoring inside.

Draft both Queen and Sorber or Maluach and Sorber because they will advance Sarr's development. Practices will be competitive. Someone will earn trade value worst-case. Let the worst of the two play in G-League.

Sarr is the only big man on a team full of guards and swing men. There is room to draft bigs. That is who the Wizards need. Quality bigs.

Alex is going to fill-out, he may be a stick like Chet, but he will get stronger, and he shows promise on D.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J7gL1JGZ0aM

Thing is - he rebounds like a SG/SF and likes about as much contact. I don't think it is his size or strength that is the issue.

I am with CCJ on this one, I think he needs to be moved to PF or paired with a rebounding machine of a PF.

My 1/2 cent.

I don't disagree with this, but am hopeful that he fills-out to be built like Rudy.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This draft will be kind of hard to screw up, but I think the Wizards need a big at #6 more than Johnson, Fears, or Bailey.

That is an interesting theory to draft positionally and not BPA. I agree with this to an extent. I think the Wizards could use another big to go with Sarr & Vukcevic (Tristan says, "hi" BTW).

Looking at this draft, if you don't take Maluach at 6, then I am good with using 18 & 40 for bigs.

If you do take Maluach at 6, then I am good taking guards and wings later.

All this to say, I am guessing that the Wizards will have their big board. They are going to take BPA but... there may be bigs and wings that have an equal score on their big board. I can see that slanting their decision to whom they should select.

And don't forget the elephant in the room (which you might just hate with a passion). The Wizards are going to tank are will be looking to the '26 draft (that will also have an effect on whom they draft.

Can't wait until this is over...

Like we agreed earlier, I can't wait, either.

My nagging inclination or gut feeling is that Nique Clifford will be a morph of Malcolm Brogdon, Justin Champagnie, and Jimmy Butler.

What is there not to like about him?